JmonsterNEO
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Hoo boy, the Reveal is gonna be even more explosive than I thought it would be.
Hyphen (Pokemon Emerald)
The spoon probably has to be silver. Several of the pokedex entries specify that the Kadabra has a silver spoon and that gold spoons do not work at all. Maybe other (metal) spoons would work at least a little, but Astra should be able to just... buy them? She has Poké Dollars. She might even be able to afford a silver spoon if she tightens the belt for a while. But she'd have to think of doing that to do it.
There's a sea between Granite Cave and Astra's village. Pokemon can teleport that far in the game, but even in the game there are limitations. Dermonster depicts teleport as being much more limited in range than the game, but you can teleport pretty much anywhere in that range. And I'm not sure Echo could afford to take the risk. She doesn't even have a spoon to do it with. The Kirlia don't seem to be able to teleport that far either.
I asked about that earlier, and the answer is just that pokemon aren't that intelligent in Hyphen. They need dedicated training to become that intelligent and it is damned difficult to get it to be self-sustaining.
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A friendly game of Barrage. (Ch. 36)
- Location
- Edmonton, Alberta
Did a fanart.
Please pretend there are more Abra, I got tired :3
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Dang it, lost my quotes and I have the niggling feeling that I missed at least one on the reread.
EDIT: which I think is, in a broader sense, an example of how much more suited for civilization the Ralts line is. My read is that Abras aren't actually much harder to teach than Ralts, Kadabras are just significantly less social and suited to teaching. Kirila are naturally empathic and community focused but it sounds like the issue with Kadabras was that most of them just didn't want to mentor a kid.
One thing that's interesting is they don't seem to have any Spoons from the previous generation. Since they're already aware that they can use other people's Spoons, it seems odd that they don't keep a strategic reserve. Perhaps their spiritual practice requires that they be sent to the Last Secret with their Spoons.
One notable thing is that Kirila naturally learn Healing Pulse shortly after evolving. While it doesn't cure status effects, it can outpace the damage from poison fairly easily. How that would work long term with the setting's lore is hard to say though.
EDIT: which I think is, in a broader sense, an example of how much more suited for civilization the Ralts line is. My read is that Abras aren't actually much harder to teach than Ralts, Kadabras are just significantly less social and suited to teaching. Kirila are naturally empathic and community focused but it sounds like the issue with Kadabras was that most of them just didn't want to mentor a kid.
I'm pretty sure it does. Sableye have no type weaknesses other than Fairy and Mawile, a Fairy/Steel type was their only significant predator.
They seem to believe enough to think ghosts linger long enough to see what's at the end of the river.
Or try giving Spoons to the Abras. Any psychic type can benefit from them and it might help their development.
One thing that's interesting is they don't seem to have any Spoons from the previous generation. Since they're already aware that they can use other people's Spoons, it seems odd that they don't keep a strategic reserve. Perhaps their spiritual practice requires that they be sent to the Last Secret with their Spoons.
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I didn't think anymore about this in my big post. But looking at their TMs in Generation III, there's a few that would be helpful for the Abra-line in general. Focus Punch (Fighting)
I can't imagine it'd be easy though to teach Abra those moves without capturing them though.
I wonder if you could give Abra spoons for them to use. I imagine humans would have tried it at one point, they don't seem to do it though.
Chapter 28 mentions that the Fairy type is just a myth or a previous categorization. Dermonster based Hyphen off of Emerald, so the Fairy type does not exist. I'm inclined to think that line was a mistake, or Echo was speaking relatively to psychic types.
Or Echo was just speaking metaphorically. I imagine that Kadabras were buried with their spoons. They can't get in the area where all the Kadabras are buried because there's no air. And they can't go to Dewford to steal spoons because there's no guarantee they could get spoons that would work or even come back.
It's funny that we had the same thought about Abras. I'm curious how differently wild Abra act. These Abra seem a lot needier than wild Abra, who hypnotize themselves so they can get through the entire day without waking. Those Abra definitely more training and nutrition than the Granite Cave Abra, which is grimly ironic.
This reminds me though.
Kadabras can learn Future Sight by leveling. They need to be at level 30. Though that is an attack, so who knows how you interpret it. Weirdly enough the Japanese name seems to match it. Mega Alakazam are directly mentioned to be able to read the future.
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- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Focus Punch doesn't effect Sableye, and Iron Tail isn't super effective against Dark. Ironically, probably the easiest way to get moves would be by breeding with Hariyama, since Abra can get knock off from that, but knock off is very weak in gen 3 so they'd probably be better off with tutor moves like the elemental punches, which in gen 3 are also special.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Considering that the only local Dark or Ghost type is Dark/Ghost, nothing (bar possibly Fairy) is super effective against them.
It's common knowledge that fairy type is a myth. That doesn't make it true. Especially since Regional Variants are apparently a thing and a thing that Roxanne isn't particularly knowledgeable about. Perhaps Fairy variants are, at this point in history, largely restricted to certain regions or self contained ecosystems like these caves and haven't come to the attention of the local scientific community.
Also, I just edited my post with some more pontification on the differences between Abra and Ralts societies.
Archeo Lumiere
The Prince's Archivist
- Location
- Lumiose City, Kalos
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
I'm sorry Derm, but did you just import Tōhō as a psychic training game?
My mistake.
Dermonster isn't sticking purely to Gen 3 for moves, so how good a move ultimately depends on how much it fits, but yeah probably better off with tutor moves.
Dermonster's stated that the Fairy type doesn't exist. I hadn't remembered to consider the native pokemon when discussing what moves would be good to learn, yeah. Just focused on the types.
The chapter with Roxanne mentioned this and Dermonster's talked about it in the thread. Sapience is something pokemon can inherit like with egg moves. But the Ancestor focused on Astra's village for millennia, resulting in every Ralts being easy to teach.
Roxanne talked about how it is very difficult to teach Pokemon civilization and that it's somewhat easier to teach pokemon whose parents can speak to speak. It starts near Roxanne talking about a Meowth in Kanto. She mentioned that it could take hundreds of years to become self-sustaining, which is interesting because the Kirlia seem to be self-sustaining but the Abra even at their peak seemed less so. (no idea what I was talking about earlier here)
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Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
Oh man. Exposition was long, but it was all important for Astra's growth. She needed to deepen her understanding of pokemon human relations and what might happen to her village. But this... Could also be a test case of how to save her village. Maybe.
I teared up when Kadabra gave that Abra the last gift she could give. I don't think they can hold out until Astra becomes Champion. I hope she finds another way before then, and that other way might lay the foundations of how her own village and humans can get along.
I teared up when Kadabra gave that Abra the last gift she could give. I don't think they can hold out until Astra becomes Champion. I hope she finds another way before then, and that other way might lay the foundations of how her own village and humans can get along.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
Wait, if Fairy type just does not exist (rather than being unknown/nascent) then why/how do Mawile eat Sableye? When I first read it I thought it made perfect sense that the Steel/Fairy would snack on the pokemon weak to fairies but absent that I am unsure why that relationship exists.
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
That could be the start of a pokemon creepypasta. Your friend gets abducted by a pokemon right in front of you. You spend hours calling, trying to find them, hoping they're alive.
Finally, you get a message, they're alive! But when you try calling them and they pick up... There's no sound of their voice at all. Just the sound of pokemon, and perhaps more messages trying to convince you your friend is alive.
Yeah, with a name like that:
The thing better be Astra telling what she is, otherwise that's horrible, horrible teasing.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Well that's weird then. Sure they're immune to Fighting type, but there's no reason the Geodudes and Aron shouldn't be hunting them too.
My point was less about capacity to be taught and more capacity to teach. Even before every Ralts came out of the egg knowing the touch of civilization, I'd imagine the civilized Kirlias would have been willing to expend effort to teach them. It sounds like the Kadabras, through some combination of their instinctive natures, and their own lower than Abra but still higher than average needs for sleep and mental stimulation simply aren't suited to childcare beyond the barebones basics.
I hope this Steven is like the most commonly portrayed one, who if learns about what happened will try provide help.
Whether that's food, elder Pokemon (he's bound to have some looking to retire) to act as teachers and guides or declaring the cave a Pokemon reserve.
Whether that's food, elder Pokemon (he's bound to have some looking to retire) to act as teachers and guides or declaring the cave a Pokemon reserve.
Dermonster
The Shittiest Wizard
Replies and shiz! (If yours does not show up, be aware that I read it and appreciate it still, ^^)
Wow! I love these types of comments! Always nice to get an in-depth reaction. I think I've re-read it four times. Pain in the ass to respond to though. Let's see...
There's all sorts of living styles. There are also sometimes Kirlia who, for some reason or another, abdictate the responsibility of raising their egg and leave them in the care of the village at large. And these Ralts have to live somewhere, so...it's somewhat like an orphanage. And if a Kirlia pair who are unwilling or unable to make their own egg desire a child regardless, there's always a Ralts who would love to have parents all to themselves.
Astra's mom was one of these.
The process of learning to speak fluent Kadabrish (I guess?) is a major part of the process of evolving into a Kadabra. Speaking Abra only exist for as long as it takes for them to fully breach the threshold and become Kadabra.
The Kadabra seem to have begun that same process but it was halted early, leaving the few who did learn to try personally tutoring apprentices from a population that will never gain widespread affinity for the skill. And when you have a cabal of very powerul leaders watching out for your safety and attending your every need for a thousand years, you might find that when they can't anymore, you are left worse off than a wild pokemon who hadn't been generationally coddled would be in the same situation.
35 years is a long time to be in a box. Even if they had survived initial capturing...well, one can only hope.
But taking a spoon from a Kadabra? Taking it from a fallen Pokemon, or severing that bond while still alive?
That would be pretty twisted, if you ask me.
Everyone go check out his new story about a Grunt in Team Rocket, as an aside!
All of you are going to absolutely hate me. I'm not saying that something won't happen, but I can guarentee that you will hate me.
I hope you enjoy doing so. I know I will.
Now that is high praise. Quite a few people have cited that chapter as ultra high quality, so I'm honored I made the cut for positive comparisons!
One would think pokeballs shouldn't register them as valid targets in the first place.
Very literally a Danmaku expy, yes. Hehehe.
Wow! I love these types of comments! Always nice to get an in-depth reaction. I think I've re-read it four times. Pain in the ass to respond to though. Let's see...
The day Regigigas was slain, the Ancestor was still a Ralts living in that village in [...]. At some point past then she learned what had happened up there.
...yes! That is! Exactly a thing I thought of and accounted for! Man, I am so good at this.
'Here we spot a lowly fanfiction author, trying to vaguely guess at reasonable population standards. He is likely going to be wrong by a factor of two or more. Surely handwaving it away with nonsense about caloric requirements and shifting the remaining dregs of an ecosystem to make what is already written feasable will work, right? Nevertheless, this will teach him a lesson about using hard numbers for subjects he knows nothing about.'
There's all sorts of living styles. There are also sometimes Kirlia who, for some reason or another, abdictate the responsibility of raising their egg and leave them in the care of the village at large. And these Ralts have to live somewhere, so...it's somewhat like an orphanage. And if a Kirlia pair who are unwilling or unable to make their own egg desire a child regardless, there's always a Ralts who would love to have parents all to themselves.
Astra's mom was one of these.
The process of learning to speak fluent Kadabrish (I guess?) is a major part of the process of evolving into a Kadabra. Speaking Abra only exist for as long as it takes for them to fully breach the threshold and become Kadabra.
The Abra are the only ones laying the eggs. If a Kadabra wants an apprentice theres quite a few available.
The Ancestor had plenty of time to thoroughly carve the capacity for higher thought into her village, building up momentum for a thousand years until they finally hit their stride and could continue on their own indefinitly.
The Kadabra seem to have begun that same process but it was halted early, leaving the few who did learn to try personally tutoring apprentices from a population that will never gain widespread affinity for the skill. And when you have a cabal of very powerul leaders watching out for your safety and attending your every need for a thousand years, you might find that when they can't anymore, you are left worse off than a wild pokemon who hadn't been generationally coddled would be in the same situation.
Thank you; I made a whole MS Paint chart and everything mapping it all out.
What's even funnier is that Astra herself doesn't even realize that this is a problem yet.
Magic Mushrooms! And hey, did you forget that Astra's village makes Fermented Berry Juice? It's a party!Ah, a sign of true civilization! Narcotics! Now they only need alcohol and humans can deign to acknowledge them as people!
There's not much to learn, I think. It's basically a really complex, eternally present system of psychic diacritics overlaid on top of Human (English). And it'd be of limited use since only Echo knows the dialect.
35 years is a long time to be in a box. Even if they had survived initial capturing...well, one can only hope.
I even explicitly had Astra bemoan the lack of spoons for her stew last chapter! I really am suprised nobody picked up on it. There's a lot that people don't pick up on, really.
A Kadabra's spoon is special. It is part of their very self, obtained in a moment of pure, personal clarity. A shard of their very mind, one could think. Permanently gifting it to another is unheard of, for the gifter would wither and the spoon tarnish in turn. But before then...oh, what power to behold.
But taking a spoon from a Kadabra? Taking it from a fallen Pokemon, or severing that bond while still alive?
That would be pretty twisted, if you ask me.
I had tears in my eyes the entire time I wrote that section. I'm glad people like it.
Personal power isn't the issue. She would just be able to do what she already is a bit faster. It's the fact that she's alone that is holding her back.
Like all Pokemon, they can't communicate. However, they are very much in the upper eschalon of how smart pokemon can get. Alas, they are also incredibly rare.
We aren't quite done with Echo yet. We'll see her again...relatively soon. Say, two years ooc? Lmao.
Hell yeah Fuzzy! Thank you so much!
Everyone go check out his new story about a Grunt in Team Rocket, as an aside!
In some versions they learn it at 50. in some, 25. Translating that...I'd hazard that it's probably gonna be at the upper end of that scale personally. And since most of that range is above the threshold for evolving into a Gardevoir...
Those are some pretty Twisted ideas, there. I recommend keeping them well away from any Kadabra you see.
Especially since many of them can barely seem to function at all at the moment. You know, because they've lived on a majority of poison for several decades.
This move seems limited to only peeking ahead...probably about 25 seconds or so, depending on how long one things a 'round' lasts. I would suggest that this ability grows in strength alongside the ability of its user, but is still limited to the rough duration of a pokemon battle. But non-move future sight...well, it doesn't seem like Echo or her colony had any flashes of insight during their fall, but that doesn't preclude her from such. That sort of thing doesn't seem very common, though...
She does have those berry packets in her bag...
I never said my MS Paint chart was perfect. :<
It really doesn't help that teaching an Abra is really hard in and of itself. They aren't generationally attuned to learning this like the village is; the colony is starting from square one each and every time. This isn't a case of teacher and student, this is an extremely long, mono-focused apprenticeship.
All of you are going to absolutely hate me. I'm not saying that something won't happen, but I can guarentee that you will hate me.
I hope you enjoy doing so. I know I will.
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JmonsterNEO
Spouter of nonsense
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I doubt I'll hate you for it. I'm expecting a full-on actual fight at minimum when it happens.
Astra will reveal to the champion and not to her friends, isn't she?
He's even conveniently right there for her to vent on, right into an Abra nursery, and may well have been searching for them, which would prompt her to talk.
Charles Dewitt
A Paladin With No Self Confidence
- Location
- Middle of Nowhere Appalachia
The thread would kill Dermonster. It'd be the funniest thing ever.
Is ANYBODY a human around here?
- Pronouns
- It
A thought occurs:
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"I'm not human."
Astra flinches as the truth is finally revealed, not looking up at her friends. Afraid of their gaze yet keeping a clear line of sight to their pokeballs on their hips.
Brandon speaks up first,
"What?"
What? Was she not clear enough?
"I'm not human. I'm a pokemon, to be exact I'm a-"
May cut her off,
"Are you kidding me!? I go through all this effort to make the perfect disguise so I can make human friends and prove my dad wrong. But I somehow end up with you two!"
Wait what? May's not human?
Wait what!? Brandon's not human!?
Astra whips around fear forgotten as she looks at Brandon in the face. The same neutral expression he always wore when relaxed. An expression that is rapidly getting more purple before fixing itself into a shocked expression.
"May! How did you find out?"
"Oh come on. You really think the master of disguise wouldn't recognize a ditto a mile away?Wheres the real brandon anyways?"
What!?
"I am the real Brandon! I was raised by humans after I somehow got into an orphanage and disguised as a baby just after I hatched!"
What!!!???
"Please like anyone would belive that obvious lie!"
"It's true!"
"Your full of sh-"
[QUIET!]
Total silence follows the psychic proclamation. After taking a few seconds to recompose herself Astra begins.
"So,"
She points at Brandon.
"you're a ditto. OK. Just... Ok."
She points at May.
"You're a pokemon as well?"
May nods and opens her mouth to speak before thinking better of it.
"This is not how I expected this to go."
Astra sighs before giving a small, undisguised smile.
"But it doesn't change how the next part of what I was about to say. As much as all this is shocking, I still consider you two my closest friends."
The smile fades slightly.
"If you two feel the same?
May stands stock still for a few seconds before wiping a palm against a glistening eye.
"You sappy little cheater."
And suddenly Astra has two armfulls of friends.
The hug lasts into near awkward territory before Astra has a thought.
"So what kind of pokemon are you anyway?"
May perks up,
"Right you've never seen my true form! Prepare to be amazed!"
Before poofing into a ball of smoke which clears revealing.
[DARK TYPE!!!]
And so Astra acts on reflex, punting the small dog into the cave and down the steep slope they just climbed out of.
"Zor!"
"Ua!"
"Zor!"
"Zor!"
And a crash.
Before incredibly angry high pitched screaming came echoing from the cave
"Zorua!"
Wrote on phone apologies for weird formatting
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"I'm not human."
Astra flinches as the truth is finally revealed, not looking up at her friends. Afraid of their gaze yet keeping a clear line of sight to their pokeballs on their hips.
Brandon speaks up first,
"What?"
What? Was she not clear enough?
"I'm not human. I'm a pokemon, to be exact I'm a-"
May cut her off,
"Are you kidding me!? I go through all this effort to make the perfect disguise so I can make human friends and prove my dad wrong. But I somehow end up with you two!"
Wait what? May's not human?
Wait what!? Brandon's not human!?
Astra whips around fear forgotten as she looks at Brandon in the face. The same neutral expression he always wore when relaxed. An expression that is rapidly getting more purple before fixing itself into a shocked expression.
"May! How did you find out?"
"Oh come on. You really think the master of disguise wouldn't recognize a ditto a mile away?Wheres the real brandon anyways?"
What!?
"I am the real Brandon! I was raised by humans after I somehow got into an orphanage and disguised as a baby just after I hatched!"
What!!!???
"Please like anyone would belive that obvious lie!"
"It's true!"
"Your full of sh-"
[QUIET!]
Total silence follows the psychic proclamation. After taking a few seconds to recompose herself Astra begins.
"So,"
She points at Brandon.
"you're a ditto. OK. Just... Ok."
She points at May.
"You're a pokemon as well?"
May nods and opens her mouth to speak before thinking better of it.
"This is not how I expected this to go."
Astra sighs before giving a small, undisguised smile.
"But it doesn't change how the next part of what I was about to say. As much as all this is shocking, I still consider you two my closest friends."
The smile fades slightly.
"If you two feel the same?
May stands stock still for a few seconds before wiping a palm against a glistening eye.
"You sappy little cheater."
And suddenly Astra has two armfulls of friends.
The hug lasts into near awkward territory before Astra has a thought.
"So what kind of pokemon are you anyway?"
May perks up,
"Right you've never seen my true form! Prepare to be amazed!"
Before poofing into a ball of smoke which clears revealing.
[DARK TYPE!!!]
And so Astra acts on reflex, punting the small dog into the cave and down the steep slope they just climbed out of.
"Zor!"
"Ua!"
"Zor!"
"Zor!"
And a crash.
Before incredibly angry high pitched screaming came echoing from the cave
"Zorua!"
Wrote on phone apologies for weird formatting
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Charles Dewitt
A Paladin With No Self Confidence
- Location
- Middle of Nowhere Appalachia
- Pronouns
- It
You. Saw. Nothing.
Bailey Matutine
(Verified Pooka)
- Location
- Pelican Town
- Pronouns
- They/Them
A few people have theorized that trade evos are triggered by migration in the wild.
Journeying to Dewford with all the hopes of your people might be enough...
PaarSiivOnikaan
Resting on a pile of books
- Location
- Germany
Considering this:
I see multiple things that can happen if she reveals her intelligence and identity to Steven.
Path A: Steven did not know that there are human-level intelligent Pokémon. His reaction/decision:
Path A-A: He decides to help Astra in preserving her village and surrounding area. The question is if they do that with revealing the existence of the village or not.
Path A-B: He basically says "Let's meet at the top and we'll do something about it", basically continuing the story without any change.
Path A-C: He does not care about intelligent Pokémon and either Astra still needs to reach the top like in Path A-B or
Path A-D: He is malicious about it and would not consider it slavery or something like that and/or eradicates such civilisations.
The other Path I see is:
Path B: He already knew about intelligent Pokémon. His reaction/decision:
Path B-A: He does not care about intelligent Pokémon. Same result as Path A-B, needing to go to the top.
Path B-B: He is malicious about it and destroys non-human civilisations if he stumbles upon them or hears about them.
Path B-C: He is already working at a solution, but even the authority of being a champion has its limits.
Considering Dermonster said we are going to hate him, well..., let's hope it's not going to be THAT bad.