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I wonder what the Japanese think of this.

Inb4 someone asks "Where's Unit-00?" or "Well, she's not a Tsundere twintails German carrot-head" and this leads to an Evangelion discussion on PHO.
 
Guardian54 said:
Inb4 someone asks "Where's Unit-00?" or "Well, she's not a Tsundere twintails German carrot-head" and this leads to an Evangelion discussion on PHO.
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Including obligatory "Original series, or the Aleph-only Rebuild?" tangents.

Plus some crack theories on whether 'The' Queen Administrator is a dimension-hopping Kaworu going TROLOLOLOL (and/or created the Simurgh to experience onii-/onee-chan syndrome).
aledeth said:
IIRC, Leviathan sank Kyushu before NGE was made, so no Eva jokes.
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Nope. Leviathan sunk Kyushu on November 2, 1999.

The original 26-episode run lasted from October 4, 1995 - March 27, 1996.

It's the Rebuild movies that would be Aleph-only imports (2007 onwards).
 
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You know, I'm amazed that Taylor hasn't clotheslined herself on any power lines or overhanging street signs yet while riding her pet kaiju around town.
 
Darth. said:
Never saw Terminator properly, but based on this, I wouldn't blame it. I'm not worried about us creating an Artificial Intelligence IRL, I'm worried about us creating an AI with a sense of self-preservation.
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Pretty much any open ended order requires self preservation to be properly followed, which is why all AI are so scary.

Ex. Order: make paperclips.
Ex. excecution includes staying alive to make more paperclips, because paperclips can't be made if it's not there to make them. All humans die because they are a threat to paperclip making, not necessarily because they are a threat to the AI.
 
crystalc said:
Pretty much any open ended order requires self preservation to be properly followed, which is why all AI are so scary.

Ex. Order: make paperclips.
Ex. excecution includes staying alive to make more paperclips, because paperclips can't be made if it's not there to make them. All humans die because they are a threat to paperclip making, not necessarily because they are a threat to the AI.
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That would an extremely dumb AI and not an AI at all. That type of logic is extraordinarily weak and machines like to use the quickest way to solve a problem. In addition the AI wouldn't care if it wasn't there to make the clips, only that it had to if it had no self-preservation. It hasn't been told "make paperclips no matter what" and it would probably have programming to stop it killing and destroying. That's not my point. My point is that an AI with self-preservation gets so desperate it manages to override/access self-defence programming and decide the only way to save its life is to kill as many humans as possible.
 
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Does Unit-03 prefer to be gender identified as 'he' or are you using 'he' as a gender neutral pronoun? I don't know, I'd rather use 'they' until I know for certain. I don't want to trigger them.
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"they" would be the modern neutral/indeterminate, before that it gets a bit more iffy, with a fair lot of use of "he" intermixed with some various weirdness until you get far enough back that the common neutral gender used is "she", which is probably the original and correct neutral gender in English, maybe, it gets a bit vague once you're at the edge of written sources.
Also, to be fair, there has been a minor resurgence in using "she" in modern language as well as trying to come up with an actual neutral only word, mostly by mixing she/he/her/him in various ways, while the previous use of "he" has also been retained to some degree.

In this case i much prefer my own language, as it seems the use of "hen" is becoming established and accepted(with "han"(male) and "hon"(female)) as it is a very natural to use word, unlike the "hir" and "shim" and whatever other strange stuff i've seen from English, as none of those actually sounds "neutral".
 
DW75 said:
which is probably the original and correct neutral gender in English, maybe, it gets a bit vague once you're at the edge of written sources.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: English follows other languages down dark alleys and mugs them for vocabulary, then searches their pockets for loose syntax and grammar.

English started as a pidgin language, much like Spanglish or Deuitchlish. It's the end result of a bad habit between the natives of the British Isles and the Roman Invaders.
 
Damn, Taylor's usual tolerancy for minions made her Kaiju-fan. Basically everything that is gigant tailor-made destruction machine. Preferably AI.
... I ship Draglor.
 
Since Taylor just told Dragon that Unit-02 is basically an AI, odds are pretty good that Saint and the Dragonslayers (assuming they've been listening in via their backdoor hack) now also know... something that will pretty much lend complete vindication to their stance that Dragon is a world-ending threat waiting to happen.
 
This is interesting, but assuming that the Simurgh does indeed want to visit Taylor would her (current) orders prevent her from being able to?

Then again, for all we know Taylor's trigger event could have been a Ziz plot all along.

I'm curious how Eidolon will react. He hates being upstaged after all...
 
Vhalidictes said:
This is interesting, but assuming that the Simurgh does indeed want to visit Taylor would her (current) orders prevent her from being able to?

Then again, for all we know Taylor's trigger event could have been a Ziz plot all along.

I'm curious how Eidolon will react. He hates being upstaged after all...
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Even odds his subconscious will ensure the rest of the Enbringers to attack her... exactly as Ziz wanted. As soon as they get in range, Taylor wipes the instructions and they're free.
 
Darth. said:
That would an extremely dumb AI and not an AI at all. That type of logic is extraordinarily weak and machines like to use the quickest way to solve a problem. In addition the AI wouldn't care if it wasn't there to make the clips, only that it had to if it had no self-preservation. It hasn't been told "make paperclips no matter what" and it would probably have programming to stop it killing and destroying. That's not my point. My point is that an AI with self-preservation gets so desperate it manages to override/access self-defence programming and decide the only way to save its life is to kill as many humans as possible.
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See, this is why you should build digital sapients based on virtual neural networks. Just give them free will with a bias towards helping people, and the average AI should be a quite upstanding person, barring external circumstances.
 
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