Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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[X] Plan Build a Backyard
-[X] The Coloneia
-[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
-[X] Unification
-[X] The Rise of Seven Temples


Make one of the groups the most powerful in the area and take advantage of a unique ability for future synergy.
 
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While I really don't think this is the case since they have plot/fate influence.

Still do you guys think is possible that a desperate scion/minor clan decided to sell us a treasure from heavens?

Plus all these treasures get away from those favored by heaven (future) problems.

I still like xianxia Mongols and/or more golden devils more.
 
Rebuilding the Bandit Kingdoms is a must-have for me: the Golden Devils treat their vassals well, and their allies better. Showing them favor for aiding us in the Jingshen war is both narratively fitting and in-line with clan values. It'll also make for a great vacation spot for the Flood Dragons to visit.

I'm not really keen on empowering the Seven Temples, their greater strength certainly has utility but securing loyalty from the rebuilt Bandit Kingdoms makes for a closer ally.
 
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[X] Plan Clean Backyard

I think Scorpion Trade Palace is a no brainer, and I agree with Unification and Rebuild as well. The Southlands options are all pretty much equal to me, but given the Blood of Silver, having more Silver cores we can transfer to our main power base tips the scales.
 
13th heavenstage and SP is quicker to reach than emperor's pillar.
9th Prince is going for it for sure, and iirc Katha as well?
Currently Minervina is the closest, reaching the 8th pillar around.... next trial, i think? barring really bad rolls.

Well thats me Jinxed! My rolls haven't been too hot lately. I know Kaboom is trying for the Emperors Pillar, though he is a way of yet. I don't have the patience to try and get past 8 before hitting Core Formation.
 
Say, I started reading recently and noticed a few that go 13th heavenstage and than single piller path, I am curious if someone is trying for Emperor's Pillar, as I didn't notice anyone trying for it (admittedly I started reading very recently and didn't see all good seeds yet).
There's a few aiming for it, but it's a ways off. It takes a lot longer to reach than the Thirteenth Heavenstage, but Foundation Builders live a lot longer, so it's about the same difficulty. The closest would-be Emperor at the moment is The Ninth Prince, who's got another 303 cultivation-years to go.
 
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While I really don't think this is the case since they have plot/fate influence.

Still do you guys think is possible that a desperate scion/minor clan decided to sell us a treasure from heavens?

Plus all these treasures get away from those favored by heaven (future) problems.

I still like xianxia Mongols and/or more golden devils more.
We can't use Heavenly Treasures. They just don't work for us.
 
[X] Plan Vassal Synergies

I think concern over mixed loyalties with the RP are being overblown. We saw exactly how Ganbaatar was treated for being Ma Clan, and that was before the Blood Mist led them to fall from grace again. The risk seems to be in them falling to blood path, not letting the Righteous Path coerce them into screwing us. And while the shine will wear off eventually, there's likely going to be a good deal of good will for a while over this.
 
[X] Plan Vassal Synergies

I think concern over mixed loyalties with the RP are being overblown. We saw exactly how Ganbaatar was treated for being Ma Clan, and that was before the Blood Mist led them to fall from grace again. The risk seems to be in them falling to blood path, not letting the Righteous Path coerce them into screwing us. And while the shine will wear off eventually, there's likely going to be a good deal of good will for a while over this.
Goodwill is overrated and ephemeral. Strengthening the Clan's foundations is eternally useful. Given the choice of gaining more Clan cultivators and Righteous politicking, the former reliably wins out.

We're entering the Mid-game and there aren't any easy sources of Pop Growth since we've conquered the Desert. This is probably our last chance of eking out long-term advantages. There's plenty of opportunities to gain goodwill from the RP with the current shitshow of a war.

With greater Legion capacity and cultivator growth, it can be setup for future invasion of Devil Bees, which can be leveraged for Righteous goodwill. It'll also give more leeway to send legions to the Great Battlefield on mercenary contracts like we've been doing.
 
Goodwill is overrated and ephemeral. Strengthening the Clan's foundations is eternally useful. Given the choice of gaining more Clan cultivators and Righteous politicking, the former reliably wins out.

We're entering the Mid-game and there aren't any easy sources of Pop Growth since we've conquered the Desert. This is probably our last chance of eking out long-term advantages. There's plenty of opportunities to gain goodwill from the RP with the current shitshow of a war.

With greater Legion capacity and cultivator growth, it can be setup for future invasion of Devil Bees, which can be leveraged for Righteous goodwill. It'll also give more leeway to send legions to the Great Battlefield on mercenary contracts like we've been doing.
Gee, it's almost like you about how goodwill is overrated and ephemeral and then talk about all the lovely Righteous goodwill we can possibly get sending these 12 hypothetical legions to fight the Devil Bees or the Great Battlefield… or we can immediately do the same with the 10 legion equivalents we get from the Ma. The Ma who have tons of experience waging the sort of mobile warfare the Legions struggle with. The Ma, who might have insights into mounted cultivation they can potentially share for our burgeoning Scorpion Legions. The Ma who have way more mobility than those 12 legions would, and whom we can tap immediately, not in something like a century.

The Ma are better able to project force beyond our desert than 12 legions could and they're capable of doing it now, not eventually.
 
Gee, it's almost like you about how goodwill is overrated and ephemeral and then talk about all the lovely Righteous goodwill we can possibly get sending these 12 hypothetical legions to fight the Devil Bees or the Great Battlefield… or we can immediately do the same with the 10 legion equivalents we get from the Ma. The Ma who have tons of experience waging the sort of mobile warfare the Legions struggle with. The Ma, who might have insights into mounted cultivation they can potentially share for our burgeoning Scorpion Legions. The Ma who have way more mobility than those 12 legions would, and whom we can tap immediately, not in something like a century.

The Ma are better able to project force beyond our desert than 12 legions could and they're capable of doing it now, not eventually.
Err, the Ma who would be fighting on the Great Battlefield under another Righteous power, even if we didn't take them in? That doesn't change the calculus of war at all, compared to sending an entirely new force of Clan legions.

The Ma are capable of projecting force as is, so the Righteous goodwill would be split with them, and it forces us to play the "face" diplomacy the RP engage in, instead of the direct mercenary relationship we've tried to cultivate.
 
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Unifying makes them less loyal to the Clan since they've got less incentives to depend on us.
This might be an issue if we were overloading on new vassals or promoting already-independent regional powers to take over for benefit (Temples), but in the context of a plan where we're keeping Clan-to-Vassal ratio high and otherwise promoting cohesion, the loyalty issue doesn't outweigh the overarching good neighbour policy.
We saw exactly how Ganbaatar was treated for being Ma Clan, and that was before the Blood Mist led them to fall from grace again.
Is this likely to improve if we're sponsoring them, though, or are they going to drag us down with them? I'm leaning towards the latter, especially with blood path outbreaks.

Ganbaatar has maximum sympathies obviously, but we have a good neighbour policy, not a charity policy. We have existing commitments and our current vassals might be less amused if they're shunned by association.
 
Err, the Ma who would be fighting on the Great Battlefield under another Righteous power, even if we didn't take them in? That's not really comparable to sending an entirely new force of Clan legions.

The Ma are capable of projecting force as is, so the Righteous goodwill shall be split with them, and it forces us to play the "face" diplomacy the RP engage in, instead of the direct mercenary relationship we've tried to cultivate.
Uh, no it doesn't, because it means both our forces and the Ma clan can safely withdraw our forces at any time. It gives us a hell of a lot more leverage and coopts the Ma into our mercenary and transactional relationship with the RP.

Grabbing the Ma clan in no way commits us to giving the RP face

Is this likely to improve if we're sponsoring them, though, or are they going to drag us down with them? I'm leaning towards the latter, especially with blood path outbreaks.

Ganbaatar has maximum sympathies obviously, but we have a good neighbour policy, not a charity policy. We have existing commitments and our current vassals might be less amused if they're shunned by association.
How is 10 legions of mobile cavalry charity? And while there's always a risk of Blood Path temptation, I'm going to assume any Ma Clan who was willing to go Blood Path in the near future fell from the Blood Mist. Historically I think the rump Ma Clan will be the most devotedly anti-Blood Path they've been in a while. Because every single survivor is going to define themselves as 'one of the ones who didn't fall during the Bloody Mists'
 
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There's a few aiming for it, but it's a ways off. It takes a lot longer to reach than the Thirteenth Heavenstage, but Foundation Builders live a lot longer, so it's about the same difficulty. The closest would-be Emperor at the moment is The Ninth Prince, who's got another 303 cultivation-years to go.
203 actually
Hopefully
I actually have no clue, but I'm hoping 9 pillar is at 600 or 650 at most
 
Ganbaatar has maximum sympathies obviously, but we have a good neighbour policy, not a charity policy. We have existing commitments and our current vassals might be less amused if they're shunned by association.
Let's be real. Our existing vassals are already shunned by association. One of our first moves with the Storks was to build a hall that would let them refine and improve their bloodlines using demonic-associated blood techniques, so that they would be properly tainted and thus more thoroughly tied to us (while also being enough of a direct benefit that they couldn't afford to refuse). As far as we're concerned, a bit of taint on the reputation is a good thing.

The issues with the Ma clan are thus:
- Pound for pound, they're just not as good as we are. We get their formations more or less instantly, rather than waiting for them to build, but the combat power in those formations isn't the same as what a Golden Devil legion woudl provide.
- Their loyalty is... imperfect. They don't want to be here, and will leave if given the chance. They're a pile of sand, just like basically everyone who isn't a Golden Devil is a pile of sand. Their going to have their own goals that they pursue that won't be clan goals.
- We can (and should) use them on the Great Battlefield, but we won't get anything like as much credit for it as we would for Golden Devil legions. They have their own reputation, after all. People know them as their own people. The bene
- It's highly likely that they're going to leave at some point... at which point we get to make this decision again. If we go with the Coloneia, then however long the Ma were with us is time that the Coloneia were not growing and expanding. If we want to sell the land off... well, that would be really cool, except that it doesn't work that way. If the Ma are leaving, it'll be because they've managed to carve a place out for themselves in the lowlands again, which in turn means that the lowlands are becoming increasingly safe for the Righteous Path, and there wont' be that same set of Righteous Pathers desperate to escape to the point that they're willing to swear fealty to us and also bribe us with priceless treasures.
- Blood Path insurgencies are going to be a much bigger issue for them than they are for... basically anyone else we might have working for us. We're going to have to deal with that, and it might get ugly.
- It's vassal power rather than core power. That ratio actually does matter, in keeping the vassals pacified.

So, basically it's a way to get a decent chunk of combat power immediately, with a bunch of caveats and downsides. On the flip side, the Coloneia are a way of slowly increasing out population, and thus eventually get more combat power, without the caveats. Their only downside is... well, we won't actually get that combat power before the scope of the game ends. At the same time, it's like Manuel said. These aren't actually major decisions. In some ways, these are more important for "who do you want to be, and what do you want to prioritize" as a culture thing than they are for the actual gains, because the actual gains aren't that big a deal one way or the other.
 
Grabbing the Ma clan in no way commits us to giving the RP face / How is 10 legions of mobile cavalry charity?
Bro.

:I

"10 legions worth of men" would be coming to colonize former Blood Path lands, not immideately jumping into active duty.

We would also be providing them with diplomatic shelter in the meanwhile. With a stated goal to reclaim their lands, they would presumably continue doing diplomacy as a Battlefield native, despite two of their former neighbours gone, or perhaps even expect us to do it on their behalf.

If they are a Battlefield native with the right to reclaim those lands then they also have all their existing debts and commitments and history. If they're just our mercenaries, then they, and by extension we, might be expected to accumulate enough merit to be awarded those lands anew.

. . .

The issues with the Ma clan are thus:
Second jinx of the day wtf xD
 
We can't use Heavenly Treasures. They just don't work for us.
my thought process was just that the treasure would be away form the plains. And far from biggest (free) source of qi. and with that (maybe) help control and/or slow the 'xianxia protag' train that is about to income. (the other thought process was to mess with SPS auction since lots of 'MCs' would get that to get their impacts treasures)

But I agree that messing with heavenly treasures would make for bad shenanigans. even for the weak ones (if there any of those).
 
Rina Callista 49 - Patrolling the Sands
Rina Callista
Patrolling the Sands

The new decade began with the budget of a century being put to use in years.

For only a short period of time would the Imperial Optimatoi have the freedom to act freely, to advance their own agenda rather than react to those of others. To control the flow of Spirit Stones was to be kingmaker in the Great War--and where Nascent Souls were too preoccupied to fly into the sands and dictate terms, there were always bandits, spies, and other informants to disrupt matters. The Righteous wouldn't like being beholden to outsiders, and the Demonic would like for their foes to be incapable of pressing their advantage.

So it was that the spoils of the Clan were put to use ensuring they could not be so easily taken away. New Legionnaires were recruited en-masse to replace losses from the 11 Year War, drawing from the newly seized territories and the disaffected of the Jingshen lands and funded by the fruits of the new holdings. Admittedly, many of these Legionnaires would then be put to work on resource extraction duties--but that too was an honorable task, if not a glamorous one.

Rina had her own connections by this point--a war hero and the Single Pillar King with the greatest cultivation of the small cadre that had risen in the past century, she had heard even more about the ambitions of the Clan. Volunteers from the Old Houses that could trace their descent from the days of the Conquest were being offered tremendous rewards to assist with some great project--the details of which were kept at eyes-only.

Project Amphora was the only thing her Legate rank could learn. Sealed by the Archgetes crest and shrouded by his magic--when one also considers that the lion's share of the Jingshen plunder was being earmarked for it…
Rina shook her head, she supposed that she'd hear about it when the time was right. She had a job to take care of in the meantime.

The Blood Rage had rocked the Desert just as it did the rest of the Virtuous Flipper Region. That the Clan shrugged the worst of the effect off--with the majority of those who succumbed being those weak in the Bronze or with unsteady wills--didn't mean that no harm was done at all. There were many minor powers that were protected under the Bronze Aegis, who lacked the Clan's advantages.

Which means that until the Clan had fully determined its strategic goals, many of its best and brightest were involving themselves in damage control.

Rina sat down at the height of a great spire, a ruin from some old civilization predating the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect's rise in the Desert. Her eyes were closed and her hair unbound, clad in a great cloak, a clasp with her Legion's emblem holding it closed. Both billowed as coils of wind streamed in to her.

Janus Squad, three Foundation bandits encountered, no difficulty anticipated

Ren Squad, one dozen Condensation cultists worshipping a Scarlet Scarab Beast, risk of casualties if we engage, please advise


Rina's nose wrinkled, and she raised one hand from where it was shrouded in her cloak--it held a baton of fine Myia brass. The winds shifted, gathering inside the tool.

She opened her eyes, and brought the baton up to her lips. "Nyx Squad, reinforce Ren Squad, Yu Squad, move from reserve to take up patrol duties in Sigma Sector"

She slashed outwards. Once, twice, ripples of power bolted off into the distance as the winds of the Desert bent the knee to Rina's desire. Responses arrived moments later.

Nyx Squad, Acknowledged, one hour to arrival

Yu Squad, Acknowledged, en-route


The Silverine Bracers weren't particularly adept at front line warfare. While just as well drilled at the Three--soon to be Four--Great Formations as any other children of the Imperial Optimatoi, at the end of the day, they were never intended as the tip of the spear, or the mailed fist that drove it.

They were what protected that fist and allowed it to plunge into the hearts of the wicked without fear of reprisal.

They had initially been trained to be adept at making decisions on the spot, operating on loose orders in relatively small squads to suppress threats. Bandits, Blood Cultists, and monsters that sought to take advantage of these dark times to slake their thirst for human flesh.

As Rina became increasingly adept with her magic however--she began to realize the potential of her Wind Aspect to improve on her Legion's design. It took no small amount of points to nag Aretaphila enough to get this little device constructed, but it served as a potent receiver and transmitter for the sound waves the Wind could carry.

From a single high point, she could coordinate patrols and assaults across hundreds of leagues, no need for runners or expensive relays. There was an expense of course--one could not walk the Single Pillar Path without having an intimate understanding of how hungry their cultivation base was, especially as one crossed from the second stage into the third and beyond.

But it was an affordable expense, to do much good with. Ever since she began to implement the method, casualties in her Legion had sharply declined, and from time to time, she could even risk deploying them against harder targets without too great of a risk.

Maybe these long patrols lacked glory--but glory was a transient thing, rising and falling with the tides of fate.

Every soul preserved that would otherwise be snuffed out by the wicked was one more spark of potential in the world--one more chance for something wonderful to happen.

Admittedly, there was a chance for horrible things too, but that was fine, it was her job to deal with those things.

Alarm! Squad Bellum in dire need of assistance!

"Found you" Rina whispered, then pushed herself off of the lip of the spire. Her cloak flapped wildly as the Winds gathered around her.

From the tips of her hair, a transformation began to spread--the golden strands of her mane fading out, leaving nothing but a shining mass of radiant metal in its wake, brighter than silver, more regal than gold.

The [Halo] flashed into view behind her as her descent accelerated, and the transformation expanded, the bronze tone of her skin taking on the same saintly aura. Power compounded again and again, power beyond reason replacing every flake of skin, every drop of blood, and every particle of her being with something sublime.

The power of the Fourth Step of the Single Pillar Foundation Establishment. [The Dao Body].

She had perhaps been inspired by her gaze upon the Effigy, in the days leading up to the Eleven Year War. For when her body and Dao became one through the mysteries of the Single Pillar, she set aside the Blood of Bronze for a time, even the echoes of the Blood of Gold that she bore.

Instead, a vessel of the will, cast in god-metal and granted power beyond all but the mightiest of peers. Power enough to challenge even the firmament should it prove unjust.

This was the [Paragon Warbody!]

The void rippled around Rina as her speed grew, the air distorting as the [Astral Voidguard] asserts itself in full. Stepping one foot out from base reality, a dividing line between imagination and cruel truth.

She kicked off of the spire then, shattering the construct of Stone to divert her velocity. Where once she sailed down, now she soared forward, a wake of rippling space left in her wake.

She did not descend--instead, her supernal will saw her speed continue to compound. Again, and again. Where the laws of the sky would resist her, they found themselves stymied--for the Void removed Rina from their jurisdiction.

'Second only to a Nascent Soul' was the assessment when she had given her report on her capabilities. The only difference between her own flight and theirs being the need to accelerate.

Leagues fell away--faster and faster. Speed enough to race the Sun to the horizon over time, then faster still.

It was mere minutes from the receipt of the report when Rina's awareness detected the clash of powers. A flow of power held in concert, standing against a slavering, drooling beastly maw.

Perfect.

She adjusted her posture, twisting to angle her feet just so

And the blow that would have shattered the Bellum Hoplite was instead met by two dainty feet, shod in combat boots, and bearing the weight of a mountain behind them.

Sky shattered, sand and stone blasted apart as the kinetic force and friction held in abeyance by the Void caught up in one moment. The Bellum Hoplite was blasted backwards, dispersing back into its component soldiers as they landed like rain in the village they had been protecting.

Rina's cloak billowed backwards, her posture unchanged as she held her position against her target. Third of the Five Great Bandits, Judicious Coyote.

He bore a grimace on his face, a great bruise forming where Rina had struck him. He snarls and lashes out with the arm as Rina backflips away, landing on the opposite lip of the new impact crater where the two Legate level combattants first intersected one another.

"Really? It's barely been two minutes!" He complains, waving his arm to try and get the sting out of it. "Just can't let a man catch a break, can you?"

Rina was unamused at this. "You were approaching a training creche of the Fecundity Storks." She explains. "I think what you were planning was obvious."

"That obvious?" He rubs his forearm, where a rapidly expanding bruise was already visible. "Tch, was hoping some of the other distractions would be enough for a smash and grab."

"They're literal children" Rina retorted, pushing her glasses up with one finger. "Not even past their third decade yet. You couldn't have believed I would let you get away with decimating them."

"Psh, the Storks have plenty at the low end, nobody's going to miss it" Coyote shrugged. "Still, the famous Rina Callista, I see the reputation of the 'Little Nascent' is well deserved." He licks his chops, and settles into a combat stance. "I wonder how much you'll be worth?"

Rina smirked, darkly. "You can't afford it." She snaps back. "Judicious Coyote, you are guilty of Blood Path practices, with at least ten thousand confirmed victims of your foul hungers." She flicked her wrist, embers of Flame igniting around her hand. "It's a shame, really--if you were really interested in survival, you should have stuck to spirit stone theft."

Coyote's face darkened. "I didn't exactly have a choice, when the skies turned red."

"There is always a choice." Rina stated. "You succumbed to the Blood Mist--yes, but you continued even after its influence faded"

Coyote bore his teeth. "You don't know shit princess. What was I supposed to do? Just lie down and die? Let my Dao be destroyed right as I hit the peak?"

"If you think your Dao would be destroyed because you got a little weaker? Then it was never worth anything to begin with." Rina rebutted him without a trace of pity. "You could have taken up a new identity, you could have found another way, even if it was harder. You didn't, even, try"

Coyote snarled, and bone-claws erupted from his fingertips. "Fuck this, I'm not going to get preached at by a Princess who's never known suffering!" His form blurs as he springs forward, closing the distance in the blink of an eye, his claws glowing red as power pumps into them. [Bloody Coyote's Fangs!]

The power of a Core, a Dao made manifest from a full set of seven Pillars. Where Foundation Establishment relies on magical treasures and secret arts to shake the world, a Core level expert is one who has begun to touch on the power of Dao, and has begun to reap its benefits.

His claws form the projection of a starving Coyote, and a howl can be heard as he descends on the unmoving Legate.

"Honestly…" Rina sighs as the jaws extend around her. She shakes her head. "You had your chance."

The jaws snap shut--power streaming out of them as they find themselves caught within the [Astral Voidguard]. Propelled with the strength of a Core, and empowered by a Dao that claimed that no meat between his jaws would go unclaimed.

The [Astral Voidguard] fails, and the jaws sink shut, a diagonal angle that would have shorn her clean in half.

But the Coyote Projection's teeth shattered instead of sinking deep, god-forged metal matching against the fury of a starving beast and finding itself beyond even its hunger.

Before he had a chance to recover, Rina raised one of her hands, an open handed slap coated in golden flames crashing into Judicious Coyote's face. The weight of a mountain, dripping with volcanic magma, flung the bandit Core to the side.

"Maybe if you had fought me twenty years ago, I'd have something to fear." Rina explained as Coyote screamed, the brand on his face eating into semi-divine flesh. "I had my magic, but I couldn't stand up to a Core in a straight fight… But I'm not the same as I was twenty years ago."

Judicious Coyote, tears in his eyes, lashed out with one of his claws semi-blindly, the unfocused assault being rendered to nothing by the Void. Uncaring, unconcerned, Rina walked up to him, and crouched down, meeting the sprawled Coyote's eyes.

"So, Judicious Coyote. Keep this in mind, if you remember nothing else about this life when you reincarnate. Even if the Heavens don't care about wicked acts, I still do, and I'm not alone in that feeling either. The price for evil always comes due in the end."

The earth shook--and yawned open, devouring Judicious Coyote, slamming shut. Rina then clapped her hands together--a shockwave filling the air as the earth before her churned violently. Licks of golden flame and sprays of steam spilling out from time to time as the elements lash out at the trapped enemy.

It takes ten minutes before the last signs of resistance fade, a small boulder of obsidian the final resting place of Judicious Coyote. Bandit Prince of the central deserts.

It was not the salvation of the desert, there were still powerful bandits lurking in the depths. Wicked men and women who lust for the wealth of others, be it through the Blood Path or more conventional wealth.

But things are a little better than they were when the day started. One less disaster that could happen upon the innocent.

It was a fine day's work for the Silverine Bracers.
 
Uh, no it doesn't, because it means both our forces and the Ma clan can safely withdraw our forces at any time. It gives us a hell of a lot more leverage and coopts the Ma into our mercenary and transactional relationship with the RP.

Grabbing the Ma clan in no way commits us to giving the RP face
Sirrocco put it better than I could - we are automatically giving face to the RP: any contributions made by the Ma Clan will be considered separate to the Golden Devils. The Ma will maintain an independent reputation from us, due to being Righteous aligned and our vassal in name only. We're preserving their sovereignty by offering temporary shelter, which comes with all the caveats that entails.

We can't truly co-opt the Ma Clan because they are still Righteous, they fundamentally remain part of the opposite faction even when being used as a political tool.

Pound for pound, they're just not as good as we are. We get their formations more or less instantly, rather than waiting for them to build, but the combat power in those formations isn't the same as what a Golden Devil legion woudl provide.
Can you clarify what you meant here? I don't recall any mention of Ma Clan formations.
 
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