Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Year 241 - Xie Jun - The Hong Xuan Expedition
Xie Jun wept.

"Lord Meng..."

Her voice trailed off as she looked at the body. The Devil Bee rider had simply sliced him in two with a massive saber, his skull bisected, the split running all the way down until it exited the body at one of his hips.

Thankfully the Devil Bees had mostly pulled back, their massive raid finished. The goal didn't seem to be to take anything, just to ravage Saber Sect territory, destroying villages and towns, burning down cities where they could. No Nascents had come north since the Blood Mists had descended - in the south there seemed to be a minor détente on that front.

Still, they were losing. No... they had lost.

Nearly ten thousand Hong Xuan cultivators had set out, along with a large detachment from the Everburning Phoenixes - Elder Xinya's former personal Legion. Two and a half thousand cultivators, led by Xie Meng who had reached the very peak of Foundation Establishment. A large enough force, sent to support the Righteous Path. The desperate need of the Divine Sabers had seen them sent south, and that had been a disaster. She didn't know why they'd accepted the request to go south, only that it seemed important diplomatically.

The simple truth was that the war of manoeuvre they had been forced to fight had been tilted against them from the start.

Hong Xuan Yuan Gao had been the Core Formation Elder leading the combined force, and to say he had been arrogant had been an understatement. They had borne constant insults and refusals from the local Saber Sect Elders to supply them, and after one particularly insulting affair Yuan Gao had marched out to take the field. After a few major battles where they had crushed combined Devil Bee forces, he'd insisted on them marching south to relieve the city of Fa Yu, a city that fell three days before they arrived.

Yuan Gao had decided to storm it anyway - which was a fair decision, Xie Jung supposed. They had been too far from any allied forces, and the general refusal of the Saber Sect to turn over supplies or aid them meant they had few options. Nearly a quarter of the Hong Xuan cultivators died taking the invested city, and the arrays were ruined once they had. The mortal population had been almost entirely slaughtered, and so they sat in the burnt-out ruins of Fa Yu, fortifying it and using the local Qi flows to at least replenish themselves.

Xie Meng had taken her on as an aide, and she'd run messages between the two men for months. Yuan Gao had insisted they not retreat - they'd likely be cut to pieces and lose half their number before returning north.

Xie Meng had agreed, but she remembered what he'd said.

'Respectually, Elder Yuan, we'll be cut to pieces by the enemy either way. The only question is whether we retreat in good order and suffer being cut mostly to pieces, or retreat when we're forced to and be cut apart entirely."

Yuan Gao had disagreed, and so they'd stayed. For four years they'd held the burnt-out shell of Fa Yu, supplies running ever-lower, Spirit Stones more difficult than pills and herbs to acquire. She herself had managed to reach Foundation Establishment in those days, adding another Expert to the beleaguered ranks of the expeditionary force, not that it mattered. They'd lost very few cultivators in that time, to tell the truth, but their supplies ran ever-lower. Spirit Stones to keep the arrays running, pills for healing, herbs for replenishing blood, Gravebronze spears and shields breaking... it all added up.

When the Devil Bees had arrived in force it was entirely too late. Four Core Formation Elders, and nearly forty thousand cultivators besides. Outnumbered four to one, these were not terrible odds for the Clan in a fortified position.

It was then she had discovered the difference between the Hong Xuan Clan and the Optimatoi.

The Optimatoi didn't break.

Oh, the Hong Xuan had fought in good order - to their credit. But with Devil Bees buzzing around you, the array cracked and the constant screaming of human heads on the bees themselves in your ears, it was difficult to remain so. The Hong Xuan didn't flee, but they became confused. Their tight-knit ranks fell apart, and as the defensive arrays collapsed, so did any semblance of unity.

Yuan Gao had challenged the Blood Path elders to a duel while ordering his army to retreat, offering himself as a possible sacrifice in order to buy the remainder of his army time.

In full view of the opposing armies, he slew two Blood Path elders, crippled a third, and wounded the fourth. It almost seemed as though he would do the impossible and win the battle himself, despite the loss of an arm and an eye - moments before being brought down by a pack of Foundation experts greedy for his blood and flesh.

The man was not a competent general, but she could see why he was placed in command.

They had fled after that, the Clan and Hong Xuan retreating together, harassed endlessly. They'd been forced to go west, unable to break the Devil Bee lines in the north. By the time they'd reached a defensible position, their numbers had fallen from twelve thousand to twelve hundred. Lord Meng had kept them in good order, executing a daring raid on an occupied Spirit Stone mine to replenish their supplies, and then fleeing a Core Formation enemy, breaking through an army five times his size to retreat into Antiquity Saber Valley.

Three years of siege in Antiquity Saber Valley, a place where disciples of the Seven Divine Saber Sect could go to commune with ancestrals Wills too weak to be contained within the main walls of their Sect - item-spirits and Wills combined into teachers for the less talented. These sabers would slash at those entering the valley without permission, but by forging disciple-tokens Lord Meng had managed to win entrance to the least part of the valley itself. The map the Saber Sect had given them indicated that they would be able to pass through the Valley to the north, escaping the Devil Bee encirclement. Of course, permission had never been granted. Jun didn't know if it was incompetence or malice, but either way, it wasn't Lord Meng's fault that their escape had failed.

There, they'd managed to hold for another three years. Constant attacks and raids, but nothing too serious. Almost nine hundred of them had remained before the last attack.

Six Core Formation Elders had tried to break into the Valley desperately, and before the slashing of the ancient sabers had driven them off once more, they'd killed nearly half of them. Slaughtering them like rats, faster and stronger than anything Xie Jung could've imagined. Only the sabers awakening once more had driven them off, and she doubted it'd be for long.

When she had stepped onto this path, she had thought Lord Meng the pinnacle of strength.

A single strike had carved him in half.

Now, she knew, you were always a mortal to someone. Always looked down on by someone.

The few cultivators who remained looked to her for leadership. She sat weeping by Lord Meng's body. She had confessed her feelings to him, only to find out he was... not interested in women. Which had been a humiliating moment, to say the least. He'd stayed a mentor to her though, guiding her with knowledge of how to face the Trials, helping her advance, and doing a thousand other things besides. They'd never been friends - Lord Meng saw her as a duty to be fulfilled, but to her, he was the man who had taken her from nothing and given her everything.

Her mother had died over a century ago, but she had died knowing despite all the taunts spat at her, her daughter could not be looked down upon. Her sister had borne children, and they too had children and so on, and so it was Jun was a great-aunt twice over. To that branch of the family she was their pride, and every visit every thirty or forty years was looked on with the kind of eagerness she had met Lord Meng.

No, if she died here none of them would be ashamed.

Shaking off the tears, she stood.

"Hong Xuan! Optimatoi!"

The Bull-Bellowing Art was useful, for it masked emotion in the voice and sounded out to so many around you. Project confidence when there was nothing left but waiting for death.

"They'll come again."

Jun shivered as she spoke.

"The Devil Bees have us trapped and ground down here, and they're going to come again. It might be hours, might be days."

She lowered her voice.

"Still. Fifty Foundation experts. Six hundred Qi Condensation disciples. All of us heirs of a proud, proud tradition. A century ago thirteen Qi Condensation juniors of the Clan - with a little Foundation Establishment aid - slew a Core Formation expert. A Fifth Sea Expert. They had no expectation of living through that day, and neither do we. Our enemies are powerful, and no doubt they'll try and kill every last one of us."

She grinned, or at least forced her lips upwards and bared her teeth. Her eyes flickered to Lord Meng's corpse, but hopefully they couldn't see that.

"We're afraid, yes. But are the scions of the Hong Xuan Clan so easily broken? Is death a greater shame to you than dishonour? To my brothers and sisters of the Imperial Optimatoi, are we broken by this? If all but one of us are killed tomorrow, I expect the last of you to throw yourself, screaming and defiant in the face of the last Blood Path cultivator you see. I can tell you now, death is a certainty. But like Elder Yuan Gao, do we die fleeing for our lives, or do we die magnificently?"

Her rictus of a grin grew wider, and tears streamed down her face.

"Gather any poisons you have, any items of note, anything you can think of. When they come again, they'll pay dearly for it."

It was not thirty minutes later that six Nascent Souls from the north flew south, butchering every last Devil Bee in their path. It seemed that the Righteous Path were done with their squabbles at long last.

Nascent Lord Scarletglyph herself landed, saw they were alive, and left a Strength Purity cultivator to lead them north. Even on her return to the Clan, Jun wasn't sure how to feel. Angry, that they hadn't come a little earlier? Grateful? She didn't know.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by Insane-Not-Crazy on Nov 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM, finished with 105 posts and 36 votes.

  • [X] Plan For Hire
    -[X] Dispatch Forces to Strength Purity in line with their request for aid. Maximum possible dispatch for as much wealth as can be feasibly paid to us in exchange.
    --[X] "It almost seems strange, to endlessly send our Legions out to war on the Plains when previously we shunned them to focus on our enemies in the desert. But yet it is not. For we have slain our foes and taken the desert for ourselves, and Strength Purity offers to pay us well, increasing out strength. For though we have slain one of our enemies...Yet still one remains. Waiting to the West for his time to strike at us in a great wave of blood. Let the Clan grow strong and disciplined at the expense of our friends in the Blood Defiance Pact."
    -[X] Manuel - Economic Activity - Carve arrays, scribe useful cultivation techniques onto scrolls, hunt down useful opportunities that might be dangerous to a Core Formation Elder. Make some money for the Clan. This earns you one purchase.
    --[X] "The desert is a hungry thing, as ever. Now most of all does that become apparent as the Clan seeks to consume it whole once and for all, digesting and making it our strength. Though the wealth of Jingshen is indeed staggering, it is not enough to feed our ambitions. So we shall find more wealth to contribute to the feast before us."
    -[X] Kleisthenes - Diplomatic Outreach (Sorrowful Blacksmiths) - They appear to have a problem with a Blood Path rebel at the level of Nascent Soul. One newly ascended to Mid Nascent, locked away in the mountains in fact. Finding things in the Turtlebone Mountain Range and killing Nascent Soul crafters, both of these are things you can do for them. For the right price.
    --[X] "A wise man once said that if you are good at something, never do it for free. Or was that a scoundrel? No matter, there remains a great number of Clan vaults hidden in the mountains beyond our casual reach. In exchange for the slaying of the fallen "Hammer Strikes Anvil Ten Thousand Times Righteously" the Sorrowful Blacksmiths are to assist our Elders with the opening of several such vaults in search of more strength to face this coming Great Era. At the very least, there is one that is most urgently necessary - the Gravebone Panoply we have on record, to better assist the Second Elder in facing her various Trials to come in this chaotic period ahead of us."
    -[X] The Underworld Devil Fortress (Major Purchase - costs 3 Purchases)
    -[X] Assault Gravity Itself (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Complete Control
    -[X] The Blood of Silver (20 Purchases)
    -[X] The Millennium Oasis Formation (5 Purchases)
    [X] Plan Maximum Consolidation
    -[X] Write-in (Clan + Kleisthenes): Large-Scale Recruitment.
    --[X] Vassal autonomy was cute when our influence was contested, but times change. Every large city in the Desert is getting a legion garrison, sign-up rewards are doubled, including pieces of Southlands for families and clans looking to convert wholesale, propaganda everywhere all day every day. Klei will pressure prominent individuals and groups to lead by example, parade new Silvers around and suppress discontent.
    -[X] Manuel - Headhunting.
    --[X] Sneak around amongst our immediate neighbours (Yuan, Qiguai, Blacksmith, Magic Oak), identify promising seeds and offer them a chance to roll dice for a bloodline with rank-defying punching power in a rebellion-free land that is stupid rich now. Obviously, erase their memories of the offer if they refuse.
    -[X] The Underworld Devil Fortress (Major Purchase - costs 3 Purchases)
    -[X] Complete Control
    -[X] The Blood of Silver (20 Purchases)
    -[X] The Millennium Oasis Formation (5 Purchases)
    [X] Plan: If Old Cannibal is so predictable, why not bait him?
    -[X] Raiding (Abyssal Bee Sect) - The financial incentive is secondary. The main objective is to bait an enemy Nascent into the desert to die.
    -[X] Kleisthenes - Tend to Diplomacy (Sorrowful Blacksmiths/SPS) (~5 Purchases) - In this conflict only, we are willing to assist to the hilt, especially against the Abyssal Bee Invasion, if the Wei Princess stands ready to intercept Old Cannibal should he take the bait. SPS cannot afford the pass getting cut off by the rebellion. The desert will serve as an escape route if necessary. In return, we desire the Gravebronze Sword and Shield. We will sweeten the deal with up to 5 Purchases.
    -[X] Manuel - Assist a Faction (Sorrowful Blacksmiths(Righteous)) - Prepare the battlefield. Should Old Cannibal take the bait, should Old Altar pursue the Wei Princess into the desert, be ready and make them regret it. The Sorrowful Blacksmiths battlefield is an excellent place for a battle. The defenses are hard, the qi is thin, and Old Cannibal can't pursue an escape into the desert. The information we collect on the Sorrowful Blacksmiths' defenses will not hurt, either.
    [X] The Underworld Devil Fortress (Major Purchase - costs 3 Purchases) -We cannot afford to leave the Underworld Spirit Palace unfortified. We have destroyed its defenses, it is the juiciest target this side of the region, and we cannot spare a Nascent to live in it.
    -[X] Jingshen wealth - Complete Control
    -[X] Jingshen wealth - The Blood of Silver (20 Purchases)
    [X] The Great Eastern Alliance
    - [X] Building Bridges (Sorrowful Blacksmiths) - Aim to create a power bloc to stabilize the East. Offer an alliance to the Sorrowful Blacksmiths, the Yuan Clan and the Quiguai Clan. For now, focus on the Sorrowful Blacksmiths, offer full support to them in exchange for joining an alliance with. The pass would turn into neutral territory defended by all members of the Alliance, with members states also having access to the facilities in the pass. The toll of the pass would remain to fund the fight against the Blood path, basicly bribing the Yuan and the Quiguai with some share of the desert wealth. In exchange for ceading the pass to the alliance, the Sorrowful Blacksmith sect is to get the whole of the Seven Saber Sect lands when they are reclaimed.
    - [X] Manuel - Assist A Faction (Sorrowful Blacksmiths) - Either as a fellow alliance member or as a mercenary.
    - [X] Kleisthenes - Assist A Faction (Sorrowful Blacksmiths) - Same as Manuel
    - [X] Purchases (2)
    -- [X] Send Spirit Stones to the Blacksmiths (1 Purchase)
    -- [X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
    -[X] Complete Control
    - [X] Loot Purchases (25)
    -- [X] The Spear and Shield of Bronze (10 Purchases)
    -- [X] Nascent Treasures (5 Purchases)
    -- [X] The Spirit Railway Cannons (10 Purchases)
 
That's actually very good PR for us. Lets be frank, we didn't lose much but we gained a good reputation with the Righteous Path as well as a pointed reminder to Hong Xuan that the are greater powers inimical to them around who we shield them from.
 
This couldve been much worse.

But that there were Xuan survivors at all, and that their Elder died well especially in the midst of the Blood Mist.

That accounts for a great deal in terms of internal politics. It may be enough to account for the losses of face from the failed mission a while back

And more importantly it paid off enough in terms of Western political maneuvering while giving us a convenient scapegoat in the Saber Sect for those deaths. We can let Yao fuck them over at her leisure...

Actually, no

I apologize

This is an unbearable insult which demands retribution

HAHAHAHAHA!
 
I'm not so sure this is good news at all.

Even any kind of "We fought together valiantly!" propaganda/internal politics gains? I think that if we had won a victory against the Blood Path, then we could have had a lot of impressed Hong Xuan coming back from the successful mission and going "Whoa, those Optimatoi are dead 'ard, and they'll hold the line alongside you like crazy."

Instead, we apparently picked a strategically unimportant location, held it and killed a bunch of Blood Path but not in a way that really affected the strategy of things a lot, and then had to retreat. And the retreat was killer, because we went from 12,000 retreating to 1,200 arriving at the end.

In short, I don't think this improved relations with the Hong Xuan. And trying to use it as a way to improve relations would be a bit... well, we'd have to lie and spin the truth and bullshit a lot. And while you can do that of course. It's better to use the truth for such things. Than to use lies and go 'Well if it works, it works, right?'

And I'm not so sure we can really complain to the Righteous Powers either -- as, after all, they eventually bailed our guys out by sending SIX Nascent Souls. It feels like to complain would be playing the same political games as the other Righteous Sects and Clans do, which is what annoyed the Strength Purity Sect so much and so often.


As for the Saber Palace not letting us through -- huh, I wonder... does the timing on that work out? That is: does the timing on that work out, to being roughly at the same time as when the Saber Palace got skunked by Old Cannibal's spy ploy which sabotaged their defenses? If so, it would explain why they were super paranoid untrusting about anybody going "Let us in, we're friendlies!" It's because they'd gotten had big time, and so were extremely suspicious and worried about anybody going "We're totally friendly, you can trust us and let us in."

Alternatively, maybe it wasn't the Saber Palace's paranoia -- maybe it was Old Cannibal's spy himself fucking us over. i.e. His spy looked and saw that the Optimatoi and Hong Xuan were there, and so decided to not let them in. Hoping to spoil whatever it was Manuel was trying to achieve politically and militarily there.

After all -- we were sort of implied that Old Cannibal was (presumably?) going to be mentioned in the same update as the Legion update, but he was never mentioned. So I'm wondering if that then means that that was because his actions were felt in the background of what happened here, such as with the Saber Palace. Or the Devil Bees besieging in the first place.
 
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I agree with Garlak here, this outcome doesn't seem to improve relations with Hong Xuan? They lost a huge chunk of cultivators, their chosen leader was shown to be ineffective, and the Expedition as a whole was a wash in terms of aiding the war effort.
Like sure, the Hong Xuan Elder managed to die "honorably" but there was still tension and disagreement with the GD, over his decision to stay.

The only bright side I can see is that this served the Clan's geopolitical objectives by trading their lives for the position at the Righteous Council. And more political ammunition against the Saber Palace.

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I suppose the remaining survivors have bonded together over the defeat, so that could be a positive opinion boost, but they've been reduced to such little numbers that it's doubtful whether it'd make a dent to the overall sentiment back home with the rest of the Hong Xuan.
 
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That there were survivors at all that experienced life and death as equals alongside Golden Devils and survived to return to their much less dangerous and probably tattered homelands means that those Experts and QC Xuan Cultivators are going to push back hard against the voices that would try to screw with us.

This affair had a less than optimal result, but even this result has given us absolutely massive gains at for their cost.

Tisamenos retaining his seat at all under the new paradigm ensures a smooth transition to our new status as the primary supplier of Spirit Stones to the Righteous Path.

We simply dont need to make any further concessions to ride out and establish the new status quo. This is insane amounts of pluses for us. That we can also mitigate the issues of our strongest vassal all while consolidating our strength as being infinitely beyond them right when they still had a Nascent Favor in their back pocket is beyond wonderful for us.

Everything is buttoned up, all debts are paid.

From here on out we can negotiate from a position of strength until the Demonic Path folks falter against the RP. So long as we're clever about it, the skies the limit.
 
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Having had a second thought on this... this probably isn't as pessimistic as I thought it was.

"Shared suffering builds bonds" and all that. It's a classic way to build bonds, one of the oldest stories. While it would have been, of course, better if more had survived... well, we can still work with this.

What we need to do though, is pay off the "Your Clansman died in service to the Clan" death benefits; to the Golden Devils that fought there, and to the Hong Xuan that fought alongside them too.

Because, because the fact that these guys are now the Hong Xuan's most experienced and deadliest experts who have good experience alongside the Golden Devils? It means that if we help give these guys the tools/money/standing to rise to higher positions in their Hong Xuan Clan, it will be a payoff for us a century or centuries down the line, right?

Basically, it's like a second shot at that Turn 11 mission of "Supporting the right, pro-Optimatoi, Hong Xuan juniors at tournaments and stuff; the payoff of which will be that more pro-Optimatoi Hong Xuan will reach positions of power, in time" thing.


... And also, depending on how bad our Vassals got hit with the Bloodmist -- we don't know how bad it is yet -- we might want/need these experts to rise in power and standing and influence, in order to be able to bring their Clan in good order, from all the rebellions and Blood Path corruption they might be suffering. =/

So, while I don't want to hope that the Hong Xuan in the desert suffered from the Bloodmists as that'd still be bad and it'd be a jerk move, it would give us an opportunity to help empower pro-Optimatoi people in the Hong Xuan and to make our vassals both like and rely on us some more. We want two things; we want to be seen as the "Gracious Overlords", and we also want to actually be "the good guys" rather than just "the guys with good PR."
 
What we need to do though, is pay off the "Your Clansman died in service to the Clan" death benefits; to the Golden Devils that fought there, and to the Hong Xuan that fought alongside them too.
Like hell we do.

Flat out refusing to pay them another red cent.

They got off completely easy during the Cannibal War. We can call this even from here on out.
 
Whom we need to pay back is the Saber Sect.
Because in my eyes the vast majority of deaths can be laid at their feet.
Their behavior as written can only be seen as treacherous in my opinion.
 
Honestly, it looks less like the City we recaptured just after it fell was not strategically important, and more that the Saber Palace went full Enemy on us. As in:
"Sir, the Golden Devils still hold Fa Yu! If we break through to them, we can tear open that whole front and hopefully divert the forces of the Abyssal Demon Invasion from our other collapsing lines."
"On the other hand, we could instead use those troops to reinforce the collapsing lines whilst the Golden Devils squatting in that city ensure that front can't have any bold maneuvers by the Blood Path. All the while they keep taking casualties and losing supplies. Maybe we'll even get lucky, and the Abyssal Demons will kill them off as we stabilise the lines!"
"Brilliant plan sir! It's really stick it to those bastards. And it's not like it'll cost us anything..."
Three months later, the entire front line collapsed because a major Abyssal Demon horde smashed through the front north of Fa Yu after the supply liens were cleared by driving the Golden Devil out of the fortress of a city they had created
Saber Palace Cultivators go Surprised Pikachu Face at this entirely predictable cataclysm


Followed of course, by:
"Sir, we've just received word that the Golden Devils still live despite their fall at Fa Yu allowing the Blood Path to crush the entire front line. They're asking for permission to travel through the Antiquity Saber Valley to retreat to safety behind the front lines."
"Pathetic! For them to think that we'd allow them to set foot on our sacred lands after their incompetence causing us to have to pull three hundred Li back or see the Blood Path irrecoverably breaking the front lines cost us so much! They can stay down there, maybe they'll be more useful diverting some of the stronger Blood Path members breaking through the Valley's defenses to wipe them out so as to secure their rear lines around the Valley."

Remember: The Saber Palace are one of the three Enemies we took at Sect Creation. The Abyssal Bees were one thanks to being the descendants of the Abyssal Demons (original edition) which we broke in their first major invasion of the region. The Cannibals were another due to descending from the Raging Fury Sect who are an old enemy that we shattered due to their betrayal of us back when we were still fighting across multiple Seas as the Great Retreat began.

The Saber Palace were the third and only Righteous one. Who we massively embarrassed because we protected one of their vassals from the Abyssal Demons when they wouldn't. And an Enemy will stab you in the back even if it's entirely predictably doing so will screw you over in the long, or even medium, term.

At least, that's what the state was for why our three enemies were who they were at the start of this quest. Not sure if some of the backstory specifics have changed since then...
 
See, while the Hong Xuan who fought and died with the Clan might have forged lasting bonds, the cushy majority that didn't leave their territory would not necessarily see it that way.

From their perspective, it's a shameful display to be defeated like this and have so many lives sacrificed without achieving much in the way of the war. Yes, it would remind the Hong Xuan of their actual strength as a minor power so they don't inflate their ego, but it's not a clear-cut relation boost with the Golden Devils like people are making it out to be.

The Hong Xuan detachment was sent out by order of the Clan, and its failure should at least dampen whatever bonding the Hong Xuan survivors managed to create with the Clan, in terms of the overall sentiment.

Hong Xuan: "We could've saved lives if it weren't for the Golden Devils involving us, etc etc"
 
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Given the current situation I expect that Manuel's "economic activity" will be chasing down a bunch of Jingshen cores that tried to run with everything they could carry.
 
Like hell we do.

Flat out refusing to pay them another red cent.

They got off completely easy during the Cannibal War. We can call this even from here on out.
We don't pay the Hong Xuan Clan en mass itself; we slide money to the Hong Xuan that fought alongside our Legion in the Plains. So that those guys can rise to power in the Hong Xuan Clan more easily, and thus we have pro-Optimatoi people in positions of power eventually.
 
IIRC Occi confirmed that the Hong Xuan cultivators with the expedition are now some of the strongest and most up and coming Cultivators the Hong Xuan have. So while opinions might not shift now, they seem poised to shift in the future.
 
item-spirits and Wills combined into teachers for the less talented.
This sounds to me as really close to the brotherhood living will treasure. Which is interesting.

In a second note. Sabers either continue to assholes and/or the blood clone is having some fun.

Still all those NSs will reduce the heat for the clan which is great :D

In the final and certainly more important (to me) note. That girl is a cinnamon. Good mortals from low background is exactly the reason for why the first brother went mad and is tried to do the impossible. Double so, that by living more than a mortal she would justify pretty much their entire doutrine (in their eyes) if they hear this story.
 
There's no denying the PR value from the surviving Hong Xuan returning, but surely it'll be somewhat of a sour note for the rest of the Hong Xuan? Their first foreign deployment was defeated rather handily without achieving much.

Some of them wanting to save face can easily point fingers at the Golden Devils for involving the Hong Xuan in an unnecessary conflict, dampening some of the positive opinion.
 
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There's no denying the PR value from the surviving Hong Xuan returning, but surely it'll be somewhat of a sour note for the rest of the Hong Xuan? Their first foreign deployment was defeated rather handily without achieving much. Some of them would want to save face by pointing fingers at the Golden Devils for involving them in unnecessary conflict, they'd argue.
Probably, but it should still come out a net positive overall, if we spin it properly.
 
Probably, but it should still come out a net positive overall, if we spin it properly.
Honestly, we don't even need to put much spin on it. "Look at how successful our joint force was, despite the Saber Palace seemingly pulling out all the stops to screw us over or being THAT incompetent" basically sums up that entire adventure. And being pragmatic, we don't need to ensure that the Hong Xuan are perfectly happy with us. We just need to ensure that they hate the Saber Palace so aren't likely to side with our enemy amongst the Righteous, and also taint their perception of just how righteous the Righteous are. Which the Saber Palace has done wonderfully.

Because the Hong Xuan hate the Blood Path acceptably due to bordering the Abyssal Bees. So our greatest fear was them being 'flipped' by the Righteous Powers.
 
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