Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

[occipitallobe]

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[occipitallobe]

I might be interpreting things wrongly, but i think we should also get 7 wealth this turn, so it be good if this wealth can be used for the road. Gives us wealth + doubledowns on the goodwill. But if i'm wrong, i will trade this for the Palace.

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I think I answered this last turn, but you can only spend wealth you have right now. You can't assume income or take Wealth actions to pay for purchases now. No downpayments, lay-bys, loans, or credit of any kind!

@occipitallobe Do we the clan know of any way to solve the Dangerous Tribulations problem?

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No.

Well, yes.

Overthrow the Heavens.

 

[atrophy]

with tribulation treasures more or less is the only solution but they are rather rare is the issue with them and as author said its a fundamental issue. For good seeds u can get them tough with a omake.

Im going to vote for the tehnique library plan. And im adovacating doing the wealth generating personal action so we have some money after the trials and it has a chance to crit to be even better. If we somehow have great income in the future it can be upgraded into foundation level with around 80 wealth investment asfar i can tell is a nice benefit aswell altough a expensive one.

And i do like the idea of selling access to the library or whatever its called to individuals since its only qi level to eventually get the investment back.

 

[Humbaba]

The platonic ideal outcome of our plot would be to make it look like the the divine saber palace reneged on their own deal in a plot to damage the Jingshen clan. If we could make it look like the dormant soul parasite was somehow intended to either transfer to Jiao when she began to drain him or to drain her when she started then that could sour the saber palace's relations not only with the Jingshen clan but also with the other righteous sects that will be relying on Jingshen healing.

 

[Mochinator]

But they aren't hiding it. It's an open secret, to the point that Manuel's Dao had trouble finding it. Y'know, because it wasn't actually a secret.

I think you are imagining this as far more damaging to their image than it actually is. Even if we do spread the message, even if we inflate what they did and how hard it hit the minor righteous powers, I cannot see a path where that is more damaging than the ire of the Jingshen clan. If this could be damaging, I imagine that a righteous power with great diplomacy would be able to leverage it to hurt far better than we could.

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My interpretation is that it wasn't a secret to most organisations and sects yes. And that the most information spread is that the Saber Palace managed to convince the Devil Bees to attack the Golden Devils.

However the information that the bargain to do so came at the cost of increasing their strength via that formation? That i believe is something that they will not spread or reveal. Because the usage of the Formation on other Righteous powers regardless of their size goes against the Moral Code of the Righteous factions.

i'm not sure how accurate to the genre the Righteous faction in here is, but generally speaking 90% of the righteous faction are as they appear, they will disdain such actions because their morals do not allow for it. In such a scenario, revealing that the death and destruction is mainly due to a Formation given by one of the pillars of Righteous society is sure to cause a firestorm.

Even if they're good a diplomacy, it will take time to calm the masses and spin the narrative. And ideally, we won't be the ones spreading the news but the Flood Dragons who should have connections with the Underground and the non-sect cultivators of the Faction, the kind of people who will be offended that someone claiming to be of the Righteous Faction did such dark deeds.

I don't see why we should give any hints to the Jingshen hence disguising it so that the assassination comes across as something else.

I think I answered this last turn, but you can only spend wealth you have right now. You can't assume income or take Wealth actions to pay for purchases now. No downpayments, lay-bys, loans, or credit of any kind!

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That's Outrageous! Where's that Bank or nice Merchant Clan that is willing to lend random strangers spirit stones for auctions or ridiculous purchases?

 

[atrophy]

Well a action to consider if we grow in power in the future and dont get righteous slammed for some reason could be to set up a bank for income. But not right now considering our wealth levels.

 

[Olivebirdy]

If we're going to get the Palace, we should probably give up on killing the visiting Elder.

"Archegetes. Obviously in terms of wealth things have gone reasonably well. We have twenty-one full years of income saved. I would recommend not overspending, we will require much wealth to recover after the Trials."

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[ ] Accept the Deal

Will reduce income by 1-3 Wealth per turn for 3 turns (amount depends on the War). 20% chance of a Flood Dragon Gang Early Nascent Soul emerging next turn.

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Currently the Clan has 21 Wealth.
The Clan saves 7 Wealth per turn (+2 from last turn. +1 from new tariffs for wounded cultivators travelling to the Jingshen Oasis, +1 from new territories being developed).

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Looking at all of this, we're going to be destitute after the Trials if we buy the Palace, if we accept the Flood Dragon Gang deal, if our stuctures and money-generation is harmed by the trials. We're going to need a lot of money to recover from it. So, we need spend actions on building wealth ASAP, unless we're willing to be stuck in the hole of 'wounded and need money to make money to recuperate' after the Trials.

I'd like to either throw the dice and accept the 20% chance of sheer and utter disaster, or give up on the assassination, accept that we shouldn't do it now when we need to instead be stockpiling money.

 

[exerty]

Someone is actualy recomending this. Here is the link to the Redit post if any of you wish to chime in.

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Well that devolved quick. I dont even fully get whats the problem besides one guy thinking our guys ancestors conquest of bringing stability was problematic.

 

[Olivebirdy]

Well that devolved quick. I dont even fully get whats the problem besides one guy thinking our guys ancestors conquest of bringing stability was problematic.

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I wouldn't worry about it, the game would be just as fun if we had been the Easterners bringing enlightenment to the barbaric West.

The platonic ideal outcome of our plot would be to make it look like the the divine saber palace reneged on their own deal in a plot to damage the Jingshen clan. If we could make it look like the dormant soul parasite was somehow intended to either transfer to Jiao when she began to drain him or to drain her when she started then that could sour the saber palace's relations not only with the Jingshen clan but also with the other righteous sects that will be relying on Jingshen healing.

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Okay, yeah, that might very well be worth using Manuel's limited Action on, it's a very nice political attack. Still, we're liable be stuck with ruins and very little money, which could be a hard situation to get out of.

 

[Garlak]

-[] Kill Him
"The Soul Draining Parasite is a subtle creature. It does not hatch, save when there is a great amount of ambient qi to nurture the egg and provide nourishment. From there it drains only a small amount, a droplet of qi from it's host to sustain itself in its larval form. Growing swiftly but steadily, matched to it's host like one of any number of parasites found in the wild. It remains, largely indistinguishable from it's hosts own Qi even as it draws more and more of its hosts energies into itself, fueling its growth until even a Nascent Soul is unable to sustain this burden without harm to themselves. What makes this all the more deadly, is that though the Soul Draining Parasite is a rare creature, to match its rarity and better enable the pursuit of its true hosts, why, this smallest of Demonic Beasts can - like the many insects in the world - reproduce and scatter its eggs upon the winds of Qi, and only requires that the prospective host take that Qi into themselves willingly, if not knowingly. Such a nefarious creature."

- [ ] Hunt An Enemy (The Seven Divine Saber Core Formation Elder) - Why not? Hunt down enemies, see if you can kill someone. Usually used against an opposing Nascent Soul. Potentially very dangerous.
"A most fortuitous circumstance in a larger tragedy, Lady Jiao. Preliminary investigations of the corpses condition have revealed that the poor man was afflicted with a fully matured Soul Draining Parasite. We have not performed an autopsy of course, but from all appearances it seems that this man was never intended to finish the journey to Jiangshen Clan along our Scorpion Road. Presumably the numerous efforts by our Golden Devils to renovate and improve the Road triggered the creature to hatch, and devoured the poor Elder to death before he completed his journey, though it seems odd to sacrifice an individual so valuable on such a poorly built frame job. Hmm? How do they reproduce you ask? Why, the eggs are implanted into a host by sending them along emanations of Qi, so it is all but impossible to implant one into an unwilling target you see, as they must be prepared to take in and integrate foreign Qi, a practice that is nominally restricted to the reproductive habits of certain-Is something the matter, Lady Jiao? You've gone rather pale all of a sudden."

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Hm. You know, with the way you've written this... Question. Do you think it's way way too risky to try actually making this an assassination attempt on Lady Jiao? Rather than killing a Core Formation Elder and disguising it as faking an unsuccessful assassination/sabotage attempt on her?

Risky not just because Nascent Souls are as noted more risky, but also because us being Golden Devils if the roll fails it would go really badly for us. At a time when we're just about to enter the Trials. And at a time when we might be spending 20 wealth on a big purchase too. It'd be a huge bundle of gambles all on one turn.

Though if it went right, if all the bets paid off, it might kill or sabotage or harm one of the Jingshen Clan's Nascent Souls, leave us with a cultivation palace, and have us weather the trials.

 

[Alectai]

Hm. You know, with the way you've written this... Question. Do you think it's way way too risky to try actually making this an assassination attempt on Lady Jiao? Rather than killing a Core Formation Elder and disguising it as faking an unsuccessful assassination/sabotage attempt on her?

Risky not just because Nascent Souls are as noted more risky, but also because us being Golden Devils if the roll fails it would go really badly for us. At a time when we're just about to enter the Trials. And at a time when we might be spending 20 wealth on a big purchase too. It'd be a huge bundle of gambles all on one turn.

Though if it went right, if all the bets paid off, it might kill or sabotage or harm one of the Jingshen Clan's Nascent Souls, leave us with a cultivation palace, and have us weather the trials.

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Killing a Nascent Soul is really fucking hard. Even one with what should be a weakling by Nascent Soul standards.

 

[occipitallobe]

That's Outrageous! Where's that Bank or nice Merchant Clan that is willing to lend random strangers spirit stones for auctions or ridiculous purchases?

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They absolutely exist! But not on a scale sufficient to fund major factions on the world map.

Well that devolved quick. I dont even fully get whats the problem besides one guy thinking our guys ancestors conquest of bringing stability was problematic.

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I had a look over. I mean, it's Reddit. Nuff said.

I wouldn't worry about it, the game would be just as fun if we had been the Easterners bringing enlightenment to the barbaric West.

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To be honest, the first could've been just as fun. This was one of two ideas I was going to go with - the other was cultivation energy entering Earth circa ~1000 AD (for millenarianism's sake) and having us unify the my Celtic ancestors under their new cultivator - an Ard Ri by right of Core Formation. But I felt my grasp on that period of history is mostly Byzantine in scope, so I decided against it.

Hm. You know, with the way you've written this... Question. Do you think it's way way too risky to try actually making this an assassination attempt on Lady Jiao? Rather than killing a Core Formation Elder and disguising it as faking an unsuccessful assassination/sabotage attempt on her?

Risky not just because Nascent Souls are as noted more risky, but also because us being Golden Devils if the roll fails it would go really badly for us. At a time when we're just about to enter the Trials. And at a time when we might be spending 20 wealth on a big purchase too. It'd be a huge bundle of gambles all on one turn.

Though if it went right, if all the bets paid off, it might kill or sabotage or harm one of the Jingshen Clan's Nascent Souls, leave us with a cultivation palace, and have us weather the trials.

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I would note that 'attempting to seriously kill a Nascent Soul' and 'killing a Core Formation cultivator to be used as a resource' have considerably different implications. The latter is a game of back-and-forth where doing something underhanded and getting caught comes with penalties which might involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The former is potentially far larger in scope and could spell doom for the Clan if carried out incorrectly.

Other Nascent Souls largely don't escalate because you don't. Usually escalation is limited to 'I'm sure I will win this fight and can contain the consequences', and everything else is maneuvering to get into that position.

 

[Sara]

Well that devolved quick. I dont even fully get whats the problem besides one guy thinking our guys ancestors conquest of bringing stability was problematic.

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Well, it seems like a pretty minor thing that I don't really grasp the responses too in the reddit super well other then misunderstanding what a doylist critique is I guess and I'm not that person, but -

Well the reason for that is probably because Imperialism, is uh, a bit of a touchy subject for a lot of people in the world. When you combine with the fact that the PC clan are extremely european coded and that engaged in conquest for the purposes of *checks notes* bringing stability and civilization, a moral figleaf often given by rl nations of that ilk, to a bunch of 'barbaric savages', of whom the only one's we've seen given much narrative focus are extremely coded as *checks more notes* various different eastern locales that just happened to be victims of said rl imperialism I think it kind of understandable that it might make them somewhat uncomfortable.

Which isn't to say anyone shouldn't like it, it would be hypocritical of me considering I agree with that person that the quest is really fun and charming, liking things with problematic elements is okay blah blah blah, but it's also valid for those to be turns off for you and it doesn't make someone a bad person if they are.

 

[TehChron]

If we're going to get the Palace, we should probably give up on killing the visiting Elder.

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We'll be at six wealth per turn income or thereabouts from taking the deal. That means we'd be at 7 Wealth next turn.

Restoring ourselves to our pre-first turn strength cost 6 wealth as a one time investment last turn.

We're fine.

 

[Mochinator]

Well the reason for that is probably because Imperialism, is uh, a bit of a touchy subject for a lot of people in the world. When you combine with the fact that the PC clan are extremely european coded and that engaged in conquest for the purposes of *checks notes* bringing stability and civilization, a moral figleaf often given by rl nations of that ilk, to a bunch of 'barbaric savages', of whom the only one's we've seen given much narrative focus are extremely coded as *checks more notes* various different eastern locales that just happened to be victims of said rl imperialism I think it kind of understandable that it might make them somewhat uncomfortable.

Which isn't to say anyone shouldn't like it, it would be hypocritical of me consider I agree with that person that the quest is really fun and charming, liking things with problematic elements is okay blah blah blah, but it's also valid for those to be turns off for you and it doesn't make someone a bad person if they are.

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Eh, i mean this really proves the whole other perspective thing i guess. Because i came in and saw the quest as a deconstruction of Xianxia, with the western/imperial background acting as basically the one thing you don't see in the genre.

But yeah i can see why they looked at it from that perspective if they only skimmed the summary + thread i guess.

 

[TehChron]

m. You know, with the way you've written this... Question. Do you think it's way way too risky to try actually making this an assassination attempt on Lady Jiao? Rather than killing a Core Formation Elder and disguising it as faking an unsuccessful assassination/sabotage attempt on her?

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Too many moving parts, much simpler to further punish the Seven Divine Saber Palace for having the audacity to try and flex on us by messing with almost all of our neighbors to fuck with us.

If it further creates a rift and makes it so that the Jiangshen Clan only works through the Yuan Clan and the Strength Purity Sect among the Righteous Powers, well that's not too awful a thing either.

 

[occipitallobe]

@Sara

I think it's not an unfair perspective, necessarily.

That being said Rome/Byzantium versus China is more a historical 'who would win' Youtube video than modern imperialism writ large.

I am really tempted now to go with one of my prior worldbuilding notes and make it fully canon. To quote:

I haven't got any notes on the other Nine Seas (beyond a few sentences on power levels), but I've considered making every Sea draw from a different part of human cuture - the Third Sea is Chinese, the Fifth Sea is Indian. I've considered adding Egyptian/Middle Eastern, Western European, Eastern European, sub-Saharan African, a mixture of South/North Native American (with some Australian Aboriginal stuff there as well to satisfy my own interests), South-East Asian, and maybe Polynesian (though I think they'd serve better as 'barbarians' who live on the islands around a Turtle Continent, given the seafaring nature of Polynesian mythology).

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edit: One idea I had that I worried might cross the line a little was making the Sea Monster Islands home to powerful nonhuman (though that concept is always very fluid in xianxia) races who culturally and namewise drew on Japanese culture while raiding the mainland in order to invoke the wokou period.

Also the Clan are definitely imperialist. They come from another world to conquer this one. The imperialism evoked is (intended to be) directed at xianxia tropes, not Chinese culture, though.

 

[ninjastar]

That's why we use a personal action for the assassination. Manuel was the previous intrigue advisor after all.

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...which is what my plan was

 

[Olivebirdy]

Hm. You know, with the way you've written this... Question. Do you think it's way way too risky to try actually making this an assassination attempt on Lady Jiao? Rather than killing a Core Formation Elder and disguising it as faking an unsuccessful assassination/sabotage attempt on her?

Risky not just because Nascent Souls are as noted more risky, but also because us being Golden Devils if the roll fails it would go really badly for us. At a time when we're just about to enter the Trials. And at a time when we might be spending 20 wealth on a big purchase too. It'd be a huge bundle of gambles all on one turn.

Though if it went right, if all the bets paid off, it might kill or sabotage or harm one of the Jingshen Clan's Nascent Souls, leave us with a cultivation palace, and have us weather the trials.

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I would note that 'attempting to seriously kill a Nascent Soul' and 'killing a Core Formation cultivator to be used as a resource' have considerably different implications. The latter is a game of back-and-forth where doing something underhanded and getting caught comes with penalties which might involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The former is potentially far larger in scope and could spell doom for the Clan if carried out incorrectly.

Other Nascent Souls largely don't escalate because you don't. Usually escalation is limited to 'I'm sure I will win this fight and can contain the consequences', and everything else is maneuvering to get into that position.

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We don't actually have to kill Lady Jiao for the political attack to be successful, it's perfectly fine if the parasite is found before it reaches her, it would still implicate the Saber Palace, even if we hadn't managed to knock off a Nascent Soul or a Core Elder.

We'll be at six wealth per turn income or thereabouts from taking the deal. That means we'd be at 7 Wealth next turn.
Restoring ourselves to our pre-first turn strength cost 6 wealth as a one time investment last turn.
We're fine.

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Why were we cautioned against overspending if taking the most expensive actions that would leave us with 1 Wealth at the end of this turn wouldn't matter?

The Clan saves 7 Wealth per turn (+2 from last turn. +1 from new tariffs for wounded cultivators travelling to the Jingshen Oasis, +1 from new territories being developed).

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If we don't get the '+2 from last turn' and we take the deal, meaning we don't get +1-3 from new tarriffs, we'd get 3 Wealth next turn, leaving us with 4 Wealth next turn. It's going to be rough to recover with even less than we had at the start of the game. I don't know if the political attack/weakening Lady Jian is going to be worth not having enough money to recover immediately.

Thinking about it, though, we don't seem to be in too much trouble at the moment. Even once we're harrowed, we've got a deal with the barbarians, the Devil Bees are busy with civil war, the Righteous Clans are busy with war. We'd mostly need to worry about Jingshen, and the assassination would be to weaken them specifically...

 

[Verdom]

Do we need to give a specific plan for the framejob? @occipitallobe If we just write in
[ ] Kill Him
-[] Frame Seven Divine Saber Palace for it

What would Manuel do?

 

[TehChron]

...which is what my plan was

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Wasnt I the one who suggested it, stunted it, and wrote it out lol

 

[ninjastar]

Wasnt I the one who suggested it, stunted it, and wrote it out lol

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I mean it was in my vote, which is called a 'plan'. I was telling the guy that I had already decided to do that. i didn't say it was my 'idea' as you were the one who came up with it

 

[TehChron]

Why were we cautioned against overspending if taking the most expensive actions that would leave us with 1 Wealth at the end of this turn wouldn't matter?

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Because itd still be straining our finances?

The point of having money is to spend it, and the Technique Palace does a lot to fulfill the basic function of investing money in order to make our cultivators stronger.

We'd still be able to spend money to function, but with considerably less financial flexibility than we have now. Which is fine, as this is a permanent advantage the same way that the Golden Eye Array was, as was fortifying the Devil.Bees border with the Night Demon Fortress.

I mean it was in my vote, which is called a 'plan'. I was telling the guy that I had already decided to do that. i didn't say it was my 'idea' as you were the one who came up with it

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I mean, fair enough, but I still wrote out two plans for it as well? So the proper phrasing would be "the consensus in the plans that have appeared so far" then.

 

[ninjastar]

[] Plan Old Dickory
-[] Accept the Deal
"It is regrettable that the Golden Devil Clan has little choice but to accept that their unjust demands of mere material wealth in the face of the noble and righteous efforts of the Strength Purity Sect are merely craven opportunism, the result of grasping too far to satiate their bottomless greed as members of the Demonic Powers. But given the Strength Purity Sect's many successes in the Ninth Demon Annihilating War, it is only natural that as the Golden Devils stand in awe of the Righteous Paths power and justice, that they give the Strength Purity Sect the necessary face of continuing to mete out Heaven-Sent justice upon the monstrous Blood Path Cultivators of the Demonic Altar Sect. And if some of their ill-begotten treasure, doubtless wrested from those poor innocents under their sway somehow leave their hands? It is only natural that they fall into those more needy than themselves, such as the paragons of justice: The ever-honorable Flood Dragon Gang, who's loss was the first shot in this tragic but necessary war."
-[] Kill Him
"The Soul Draining Parasite is a subtle creature. It does not hatch, save when there is a great amount of ambient qi to nurture the egg and provide nourishment. From there it drains only a small amount, a droplet of qi from it's host to sustain itself in its larval form. Growing swiftly but steadily, matched to it's host like one of any number of parasites found in the wild. It remains, largely indistinguishable from it's hosts own Qi even as it draws more and more of its hosts energies into itself, fueling its growth until even a Nascent Soul is unable to sustain this burden without harm to themselves. What makes this all the more deadly, is that though the Soul Draining Parasite is a rare creature, to match its rarity and better enable the pursuit of its true hosts, why, this smallest of Demonic Beasts can - like the many insects in the world - reproduce and scatter its eggs upon the winds of Qi, and only requires that the prospective host take that Qi into themselves willingly, if not knowingly. Such a nefarious creature."
-[ ] Training Soldiers - Raising Disciples to higher Realms is all well and good, but training them to be perfect members of Formations is better. Ensure your Clan is trained and ready for war. Your readiness to go to war will increase significantly, though this fades over time.
"Heraclius is a good man, if limited. Unfortunately, due to the needs of the moment and the desperation to consolidate our many gains these past few decades, it is necessity itself to integrate our command structure as thoroughly as possible to make up for the losses of two Protostrator within a century. The Trials are approaching, and thus we must do everything possible to retain as much strength as possible in order to take advantage of this newly chaotic landscape, where opportunity and danger await in equal measure. Ha! Just like always, in this unjust world of yours!"
- [ ] Hunt An Enemy (The Seven Divine Saber Core Formation Elder) - Why not? Hunt down enemies, see if you can kill someone. Usually used against an opposing Nascent Soul. Potentially very dangerous.
"A most fortuitous circumstance in a larger tragedy, Lady Jiao. Preliminary investigations of the corpses condition have revealed that the poor man was afflicted with a fully matured Soul Draining Parasite. We have not performed an autopsy of course, but from all appearances it seems that this man was never intended to finish the journey to Jiangshen Clan along our Scorpion Road. Presumably the numerous efforts by our Golden Devils to renovate and improve the Road triggered the creature to hatch, and devoured the poor Elder to death before he completed his journey, though it seems odd to sacrifice an individual so valuable on such a poorly built frame job. Hmm? How do they reproduce you ask? Why, the eggs are implanted into a host by sending them along emanations of Qi, so it is all but impossible to implant one into an unwilling target you see, as they must be prepared to take in and integrate foreign Qi, a practice that is nominally restricted to the reproductive habits of certain-Is something the matter, Lady Jiao? You've gone rather pale all of a sudden."
-[ ] Invest in Lifesaving Pills (7 Wealth)
"Our Clan is weaker than it has been in quite some time, though we are on track to returning to the overall strength which we possessed before the previous 100-Year trials. Naturally, the world has not gone idly by, and to some small degree we Golden Devils have benefited. The time has come now to face our centennial Trial, the great culling whereby the Heavens have ever seen fit to keep us from returning to the strength which we once held. Let us take the boons of our efforts this past century, and invest them into our future. Let us spare no expense for their sake, for their survival, for their future."
-[ ] Build up the Scorpion Road (5 Wealth)
"With the Seven Divine Saber Palace and the Jiangshen Clan preparing to interfere more and more in our affairs after the Hundred Trials have passed, there is need for a counterbalancing force to offset these losses. It goes without saying that the Strength Purity Sect are our best bet in that regard. Let us cultivate goodwill with them, so that they may see the value of siding with us, while leaning against the Seven Divine Sabers and the Jiangshen from attempting to reach overmuch. This is the time of a new Demon Annihilating War after all, surely the Righteous Powers have better things to do than play petty games with the weakened Golden Devils, alone and weak in their corner of the desert? And, if by any chance, in the chaos of construction a lone Core Formation Cultivator should incidentally catch a harmless bug, why, who would ever have known? There are so few eyes on the road in such times of great works and greater projects being made."
-[ ] Purchase Formation Plates (5 Wealth)
"A necessary decision. We can not hope to match our peak in terms of coordination, not in the wake of the losses wrought upon us by the Demonic Bee Sects invasion mere decades ago. The Formation Plates are a poor substitute for the ease by which our Formations were crafted, but they are a substitute all the same. Let us buy them, let us utilize them, and let us do what we can to preserve our strength for the coming storm. Let us one and all weather this Trial as best we can, for if we survive and come out stronger for it, what awaits us is nothing less than the greatest of opportunities. I can feel it, quivering in the Heaven's Shadow, awaiting release! Our long-awaited counterattack!"

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You need to put the '[]' before the write-in portion or the software will ignore it.

I mean, fair enough, but I still wrote out two plans for it as well? So the proper phrasing would be "the consensus in the plans that have appeared so far" then.

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Yeah, probably. My bad.

 

[Olivebirdy]

Because itd still be straining our finances?

The point of having money is to spend it, and the Technique Palace does a lot to fulfill the basic function of investing money in order to make our cultivators stronger.

We'd still be able to spend money to function, but with considerably less financial flexibility than we have now. Which is fine, as this is a permanent advantage the same way that the Golden Eye Array was, as was fortifying the Devil Bees border with the Night Demon Fortress.

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I'm not arguing that it's a bad idea to get the Palace, I'm wondering if perhaps we should have Manuel focus on making money this turn instead of assassination.

 

[TehChron]

You need to put the '[]' before the write-in portion or the software will ignore it.

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It's fine if the software ignores the write-in I think, so long as the original vote carries it.

From the start it was a draft anyway.

I'm not arguing that it's a bad idea to get the Palace, I'm wondering if perhaps we should have Manuel focus on making money this turn instead of assassination.

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We gain a lot more by mitigating the risk of failure on the assassination as much as possible then 5 wealth or so, I think. If we look at it in terms of what the action does, which is make it less likely that we'll owe a considerable amount of wealth and lives in tribute to the Jiangshen to pay for this kind of interference, then Manuel using his personal action to save that kind of money is practically a steal