Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

And Foreigner would be Khepri who would need no introduction. Though as headcanon, I like to think Foreigner Khepri would be more Queen Administrator in Taylor's body than Taylor herself the further ascended she is. Similar to the other Foreigners.
In my perception, Foreigner Khepri is twin Servant, like Orion, or Dioscuri, or Trưng sisters, or Hokusai, for that matter. And she has funky stuff going on with Ascensions and skills (like Melusine), and possibly with Spirit Dress (like Mash who switches kit fully with Ortinax). See also lore about Godjuna ascension stages.
You can also make Berserker Khepri, who has super ironic NP that switches her to Foreigner, like Jekyll.
 
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Avenger would be Skitter the Warlord. The embodiment of retribution against authority. A powerful Servant that managed to accomplish conquering the entire criminal underworld of Brockton bay and killing Alexandria, one of the Triumvirate and considered the second most powerful parahuman. Her hatred of Authority would be exaggerated due to being an Avenger so she would chafe under even the most benevolent of Masters. Likely would never answer a summon unless forced to by a power she couldn't resist.
I don't think Taylor could ever be summoned as an Avenger without being an Alter of some type. Revenge has never ever been an overriding motivation for her. She's acted out of anger to be sure, but you need more than that to qualify for Avenger.
 
I don't think Taylor could ever be summoned as an Avenger without being an Alter of some type. Revenge has never ever been an overriding motivation for her. She's acted out of anger to be sure, but you need more than that to qualify for Avenger.
Revenge is part of the qualifications but Ordeal Call 2 makes it clear that Avengers are destructive Servants meant to expose injustice. Taylor's life is rife with injustice as corrupt and incompetent authority figures ruined her life. Her attempts to be a hero were hampered by those she admired. And one of her most hated abusers worked with that same authority. Even if Taylor herself wasn't doing it in revenge, remember that Servants are impacted by perception and how SCARY Skitter was to others.

I wouldn't be surprised if people THOUGHT she did what she did in revenge. And that's enough to qualify.

Edit: Heck, her defining feat of killing Alexandria was done in retaliation for supposedly killing her friends.
 
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Revenge is part of the qualifications but Ordeal Call 2 makes it clear that Avengers are destructive Servants meant to expose injustice. Taylor's life is rife with injustice as corrupt and incompetent authority figures ruined her life. Her attempts to be a hero were hampered by those she admired. And one of her most hated abusers worked with that same authority. Even if Taylor herself wasn't doing it in revenge, remember that Servants are impacted by perception and how SCARY Skitter was to others.

I wouldn't be surprised if people THOUGHT she did what she did in revenge. And that's enough to qualify.

Edit: Heck, her defining feat of killing Alexandria was done in retaliation for supposedly killing her friends.
If doing what he did to Hektor didn't qualify Achilles for Avenger (and we've never seen an indication that it has) I doubt killing Alexandria like she did qualified Taylor for Avenger.

That said, never having interacted with Ordeal Call 2, perhaps there is a certain version of her that could be summoned. Not really what I expect, but maybe.
 
"I shouldn't need to tell you that sparing her won't change what you've already done in the past," he went on callously. "You're not stupid enough to believe that you can erase that sin by adopting a child that has already died and been forsaken. Nothing can fix the things that were broken a long time ago."

Andersen is such an asshole, lol.

"Papa," said Nursery Rhyme, "I can stay and play with Jackie, right?"

A veritable kindergarten. This reminds of that FGO comic with Lily servants running around and one of them stabbing Jeanne in the head.


Well. The one whose reaction I'm looking forward to the most is Rika, for some reason. I just imagine she will have Opinions on Taylor adopting a version of a guy they killed just an hour ago.
 
Heck, her defining feat of killing Alexandria was done in retaliation for supposedly killing her friends.
to be fair, the public thinks she worked with the PRT and Protectorate to put her down when she 'finally succumbed to the simurgh and became a ziz bomb'

but yeah, it's a stretch, I can see the argument, but other classes just fit her so much better, assassin for one is much more fitting for warlord era skitter. in regards to rider tho, she didn't have atlas long enough for it to be a major part of her legend I don't think, however, as skitter she rode around on Bitch's dogs and atlas, as weaver she had an anti gravity pack controlled by her bugs, and always arrived places onboard a dragon vessel, all of this combined would probably let her qualify, with her specific mount probably depending on which era of taylor she represents, given that the warlord era fits assassin much more, her being summoned as weaver in rider form would probably happen more I think, caster is also a fit, but less so I feel.

for foreigner we gotta remember this is fate... QA would be a tiny crystal starwhale mascot thing, that can merge with taylor to enter KHEPRI mode or something
 
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to be fair, the public thinks she worked with the PRT and Protectorate to put her down when she 'finally succumbed to the simurgh and became a ziz bomb'

but yeah, it's a stretch, I can see the argument, but other classes just fit her so much better, assassin for one is much more fitting for warlord era skitter. in regards to rider tho, she didn't have atlas long enough for it to be a major part of her legend I don't think, however, as skitter she rode around on Bitch's dogs and atlas, as weaver she had an anti gravity pack controlled by her bugs, and always arrived places onboard a dragon vessel, all of this combined would probably let her qualify, with her specific mount probably depending on which era of taylor she represents, given that the warlord era fits assassin much more, her being summoned as weaver in rider form would probably happen more I think, caster is also a fit, but less so I feel.

for foreigner we gotta remember this is fate... QA would be a tiny crystal starwhale mascot thing, that can merge with taylor to enter KHEPRI mode or something
It's important to note that Servants do not embody the entirety of a heroic Spirit's life. Only a single portion defined by their class. Lily Servant's for example, are defined as the beginning of a legend. Mandricardo as a rider is who he was prior to finding Durandal, with his NP specifically being his oath to not wield a sword until he found it.

Assassin Skitter would probably be during her early days. Back when she worked under coil, either indirectly with the undersiders or directly later. As an Assassin, Skitter would be at her physical weakest, but the class presence concealment would extend to her insects since it was during this time that most were unaware of her control of them and to what degree. Warlord Skitter though would have to be Avenger though since it begins with her killing coil for what he did and ends with killing Alexandria.

As for Rider... I don't think she did enough with her mounts to actually qualify. That said, her always having one would likely give her the Riding skill and having the appropriate mount when summoned. Like with Lancer Artoria and her Horse.
 
As for Rider... I don't think she did enough with her mounts to actually qualify. That said, her always having one would likely give her the Riding skill and having the appropriate mount when summoned. Like with Lancer Artoria and her Horse.
Rider Taylor would be her as early Khepri, as Rider class is also for commanders and generals.

Edit: Though even as early Khepri I can see her having Atlas as a mount.
 
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A pity Taylor doesn't like him, because I would love if he stuck around.
No you wouldn't. Remember, summoning Andersen means Kiara shows up in short order.
Andersen is always great. Also somehow managed to tank an attack from solomon when he was literally driving a truck over everyone elses face. So, he can be suprisingly good.
An attack meant for Mordred, no less, who is considerably tougher than Andersen.
Where's Kiara when you need her.
Currently a heap of ash, due to the Incineration.
My personal headcanon is that Taylor is on the throne and can be summoned under 3 classes. Foreigner, Caster, and Avenger. Each representing a different point in her cape career.



And Foreigner would be Khepri who would need no introduction. Though as headcanon, I like to think Foreigner Khepri would be more Queen Administrator in Taylor's body than Taylor herself the further ascended she is. Similar to the other Foreigners.
Khepri is Beast-class.
 
No, it's not about killing single digit amount of people. It's about being synonym for "serial killer". It's not the facts. It's perception, the story. Meme is DNA of the soul.
As I understand it, Jackie herself at the time of summoning was the collective victim, rather than the killer. As with summoning Sasaki Kojiro, the legend very much exists, but the individual of the legend never existed.

So Jack the Ripper could easily have been one original murderer, a large number of copycats and generally the curses and wraiths of the victims were closer to filling the slot than the killer themself.
 
As I understand it, Jackie herself at the time of summoning was the collective victim, rather than the killer. As with summoning Sasaki Kojiro, the legend very much exists, but the individual of the legend never existed.

So Jack the Ripper could easily have been one original murderer, a large number of copycats and generally the curses and wraiths of the victims were closer to filling the slot than the killer themself.
Jackie isn't the collective people murdered by Jack the Ripper, though; she is one form and origin for a quite literally apocryphal killer. Her being the genuine Jack the Ripper is the version of the legend that presumes the collective hatred, fear, suffering and desperate longing of 60,000 children and infants abandoned to die by prostitutes in London coalesced into a singular form who wants nothing more than to cut her way back into the last place she can recall feeling warm and loved, namely 'her' mothers' wombs.

So she is a collective victim, you're correct in your understanding there, but her being the collective victim is the cause of Assassin-class Jack the Ripper, rather than the effect.
 
As I understand it, Jackie herself at the time of summoning was the collective victim, rather than the killer. As with summoning Sasaki Kojiro, the legend very much exists, but the individual of the legend never existed.

So Jack the Ripper could easily have been one original murderer, a large number of copycats and generally the curses and wraiths of the victims were closer to filling the slot than the killer themself.
Jack the Ripper is almost the direct mirror opposite of the Sasaki Kojirou situation. In that the "genuine serial killer" actually exists, but no one knows who they actually were. But because what they ACTUALLY got famous for as far as the Collective Will of Humanity is concerned is "being an unsolved serial murder mystery" there are a, currently unknown, multitude of servants who all possess the True Name of "Jack the Ripper" who all had the potential to have been the "genuine Jack the Ripper". And of the two we've seen so far, neither of them even knows if they're the one who really did it.

It's to the point that the collective theory crafting of millions of armchair detectives and random rumor mongers across history and whatever hare-brained explanation they came to for the "Mystery of Jack the Ripper" has ITSELF coalesced into a genuine Servant under the True Name of Jack the Ripper.

If Kojirou is "the case of one guy who didn't exist who was so badass a samurai the Throne of Heroes had to go actively looking for the one guy who could fill his spot"

Then Jack the Ripper is "the case of one person who definitely did exist who did a pretty mundane thing BUT never got caught for it AND somehow got so unbelievably famous for that they became a household name around the world DESPITE the completely vague legend that half a dozen completely different things can sneak into the Throne of Heroes under that one legend."
 
It's to the point that the collective theory crafting of millions of armchair detectives and random rumor mongers across history and whatever hare-brained explanation they came to for the "Mystery of Jack the Ripper" has ITSELF coalesced into a genuine Servant under the True Name of Jack the Ripper.
Funtastical Fact: Everyone's favorite mini-granny Helena Blavatsky is a Jack the Ripper candidate. Prime material for a Caster Ripper.

Helena Blavatsky is one of the many people suspected to have been Jack the Ripper, albeit one often considered ridiculous. The theory was popularized when Aleister Crowley mentioned her name in his dissertation on Jack the Ripper, but besides that there is little evidence. It is true that Blavatsky was living in London during 1888 and they might've held pent-up frustrations due to being recently forced into semiretirement and holding a revulsion towards sexual activity, which would serve as a motive. Still, considering her age and physical state, such a feat would be incredibly difficult to pull off without being caught. Well, with magecraft that might not be impossible… either way, Blavatsky is hardly considered a serious and popular suspect.

As an interesting aside, Helena Blavatsky was given the nickname "Jack" by Colonel Olcott during her lifetime. Of course, it has nothing to do with the Whitechapel Murders.
 
and in this chapter it was said that he lived after Paracelsus.

Technically he said the two of them were separated by about 100 years and then talks like he has heard about him in a way that's reminiscent of someone you learned about in a history class. But I didn't catch a line that specified he came a century after Paracelsus, so everything he could know about P could be supplied Grail/Throne knowledge, and thus atemporal. It would be a good way of keeping the fact you're an alchemist from before Paracelsus cryptic without lying.

Paracelsus lived from 1493–1541, so if we picked a generous 85 years being 'about a century' on the 'short' timeframe or 125 the other way, so that leaves a good breadth of 'famous alchemists' (named on wikipedia).
 
"That's a poor excuse for using someone like her to assuage your guilty conscience," Andersen interjected. He stepped out of the study as though he'd just come from the other room, but he underestimated my bugs, because I knew he'd only just materialized.

Whether he'd been watching everything in spirit form or not, I couldn't say, but I was willing to bet I knew the answer anyway.

"I shouldn't need to tell you that sparing her won't change what you've already done in the past," he went on callously. "You're not stupid enough to believe that you can erase that sin by adopting a child that has already died and been forsaken. Nothing can fix the things that were broken a long time ago."

Finally, best boi. Taylor might hate his guts but I could see them working well together lol

I suppressed it, channeled it into the bugs in the walls as they all engaged in a massive fight, ripping into one another and tearing off limbs and antennae.

Like mother like daughter.
 
I don't recall any. It seems entirely possible that Taylor doesn't consider herself worthy of being recorded on the Throne Of Heroes.
Which is particularly amusing when you consider several of the Servants she's met- EMIYA, Jeanne Alter, and Medea Lily, to name a few, who have rather strained reasons to be summonable. Jeanne Alter is the one making the biggest argument that Taylor's summonable, ignoring that Contessa outright stated at the beginning of this story that her body could complete the Servant Summoning System Chaldea uses, basically replacing Mash as the stabilizing entity.

EDIT: Wrong fiction for the usage of Taylor's dead body, she's just outright stated to have a summonable spirit by Contessa.
 
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ignoring that Contessa outright stated at the beginning of this story that her body could complete the Servant Summoning System Chaldea uses, basically replacing Mash as the stabilizing entity.
...Did she? My recollection was that Contessa told Olga that she could let Taylor die, and her body would be such a potent catalyst that her being successfully summoned from the Throne of Heroes as a brand new Heroic Spirit would be guaranteed. I don't recall her saying that she'd be able to take Mash's place in Chaldea's summoning system.

Considering that prior to Fuyuki, the only Servant Chaldea had ever been able to summon was Da Vinci, an actual combat Servant would have been an amazing asset, is what makes Olga choosing to instead save Taylor's life so meaningful.
 
Which is particularly amusing when you consider several of the Servants she's met- EMIYA, Jeanne Alter, and Medea Lily, to name a few, who have rather strained reasons to be summonable. Jeanne Alter is the one making the biggest argument that Taylor's summonable, ignoring that Contessa outright stated at the beginning of this story that her body could complete the Servant Summoning System Chaldea uses, basically replacing Mash as the stabilizing entity.

...Did she? My recollection was that Contessa told Olga that she could let Taylor die, and her body would be such a potent catalyst that her being successfully summoned from the Throne of Heroes as a brand new Heroic Spirit would be guaranteed. I don't recall her saying that she'd be able to take Mash's place in Chaldea's summoning system.

Considering that prior to Fuyuki, the only Servant Chaldea had ever been able to summon was Da Vinci, an actual combat Servant would have been an amazing asset, is what makes Olga choosing to instead save Taylor's life so meaningful.
She can't. Your impression is correct. If I had to hazard a guess I think he was thinking of Ryuugi's Gold when he wrote that.
 
She can't. Your impression is correct. If I had to hazard a guess I think he was thinking of Ryuugi's Gold when he wrote that.
...You might be correct. I feel like I remember it from here, but I'm gonna go check. I'll Edit this post with my verdict, but I will admit it wasn't as early as I thought, so thus highly probable.

EDIT: You're correct, I got it confused with Gold. Thanks for the correction! This is the other option from this story:
Or you can save her body and use it as a catalyst to summon the Heroic Spirit she has left behind.
 
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Technically he said the two of them were separated by about 100 years and then talks like he has heard about him in a way that's reminiscent of someone you learned about in a history class. But I didn't catch a line that specified he came a century after Paracelsus, so everything he could know about P could be supplied Grail/Throne knowledge, and thus atemporal. It would be a good way of keeping the fact you're an alchemist from before Paracelsus cryptic without lying.

Paracelsus lived from 1493–1541, so if we picked a generous 85 years being 'about a century' on the 'short' timeframe or 125 the other way, so that leaves a good breadth of 'famous alchemists' (named on wikipedia).
Of course if he is Flamel, then he does in fact come a century before Paracelsus (he lived from 1333 to 1418).

Which is particularly amusing when you consider several of the Servants she's met- EMIYA, Jeanne Alter, and Medea Lily, to name a few, who have rather strained reasons to be summonable. Jeanne Alter is the one making the biggest argument that Taylor's summonable, ignoring that Contessa outright stated at the beginning of this story that her body could complete the Servant Summoning System Chaldea uses, basically replacing Mash as the stabilizing entity.

EDIT: Wrong fiction for the usage of Taylor's dead body, she's just outright stated to have a summonable spirit by Contessa.
I mean, while the cast doesn't know what the hell is going on with EMIYA, the answer is just that he's in the Throne because Alaya put him there.

She is indeed stated to be summonable by Contessa, but I don't know if Taylor ever got told that. She was very very unconcious during that scene, and Olga might very well have never mentioned it.
 
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