Harry And The Shipgirls: Prisoner of Shipping (A HP/KanColle Snippet Collection)

Or involves enough fire to destroy the island?

Zamarad: "That's the plan, yes." :grin:

Also, have it happen on the Fourth of July, so that there's an ambient "Positivity and Party" vibe to reinforce the party.
The Black Lady is in Boston, I think the 4th works better.
...You might need to look at a map. The Black Lady is in Boston. The heart of Colonial Treason Day. Where the Battle of Bunker Hill took place. Where the Boston Massacre happened, and the Boston Tea Party.

Queen Elizabeth the II may be more popular in the US than George III ever was, but her coronation day isn't going to do anything for it.

Yeah, Delilah's plan is once the SoS falls or cracks enough so she can 'go hot', she would arrange a strike team centered around Zamarad to head to the island where Fort Warren is, take down the Black Lady brutally and spectacularly, then purify the ashes.

Ideally on the 4th of July with TV camera running from a safe distance to show America that Magicals can do fireworks too. :tongue:

(the reason she has not done it yet is that it would also blow the SoS to pieces anytime after she realized that 'this shit needs to end now!' in the 1960s because it is in Boston Harbor. Once the SoS is no longer a concern, she plans to set this into motion by persuading people that it is now time and also using whatever strings she has to)
 
Smart choice, even smarter is coordinating and trading intel with the magical side as well, Azkaban is far far too dangerous to be tolerated after the Fall of the Statute, but she's holding back things that have no business existing either. Man, hearing about the existence of this place must have been a bit of a...shock for the RN.
To be honest, the RN is also calling the Ministry a bunch of fools for putting a prison designed specifically to create as much misery and despair for the prisoners as possible right on top of multiple sealed evils in cans that likely feed on such. But they need to take care of it because once they stop feeding them... what is there is highly likely to move out for better feeding grounds...
Hmm... Porta is going to be very interested in seeing Reivana's report. And especially in the planned operation, and is likely to personally lead a fleet of her own to take part in the operation. No, she will not be taking 'no' for an answer. Fight Fire with Chlorine Trifluoride Fire and all that.

Though I can't help but imagine her listening to Reivana's report on a Gashadokuro, and slowly taking a long, considering look at Ocean Liner Demon before turning back to her envoy.
I... think that I can guess why she would.
OLD: Yeah, could I have that back please? That one's from my collection.

Potra: Dammit Demon!
* Facepalms *
My god! They might nuke Azkaban. :eek: If also applied with purification abilities.... it would be best for abysals and other dark creatures to avoid the area for quite a while.
Yeah, might be a bit of a good idea...
Edit: This could be the final nail in the coffin for the SoS as well depending on how this goes. If a nuclear weapon IS used it will be practical impossible do be dismissed or hidden
The Phoenix based purification thing on one of the hidden islands went off very much like a nuke in heat and blast effects. That one didn't blow the Statute. Maybe this one will be covered up too?

Unless I miss my guess, the Statute will either be down or breathing its last when the RN moves against Azbakan, the Statute is tying up assets on the magical side that would be useful against Azkaban and furthermore, I really don't think that they'll attack her so soon after this haemorrhaging that was dealt to the insane spirit via slightly peeved Catherine. It also takes time to find the necessary reagents for the rituals that they'll be using to enhance the ordnance that will be unleashed on to Azakaban, and to make damn sure that there are no civilians anywhere near the Area of Operation magical or non-magical.

This is on top of playing politics with other Naval Forces in the Greater Region, because if one of your plans involves a freaking nuke, then you kinda need to give everyone around you a heads up.

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Oh right, almost forgot to mention moving the necessary naval personnel and assets around for the best placement against Azkaban as well, which might take a while considering that Allied Fleets are also moving in. The paperwork alone must be making the paperwork monkeys' arms feel like that they are falling off.
^This pretty much. It is something that will take a few years to plan out entirely to cover every angle that they can. The fall of the SoS will only help in this case, as they can openly move against it.
It was also covered by saying it was a momentary resurgence of a dying volcano. Such a cover story works in the Pacific due to the Ring of Fire. But not so much in the North Sea, because there's no volcanism on a similar scale in the region.

They could call it an operation to prevent an embryonic Princess from spawning, but it's likely to raise eyebrows due to using a Nuke to take it out when there's already an Armada of allied warships on an unprecedented scale being directed to deal with it as well. Ship Stalkers Watchers will notice that sort of thing.
It... all depends, really. There are a few things that they could use for it.
don't forget the good old german WWII weapon technology, like this

The Ruhrstahl/Kramer 'Fritz X'
two of this.. things destroyed the italian battleship Roma
And Grand Slams killed Tirpitz and leave craters that one can see from a few thousand feet up.
That was also in the middle of the Pacific, which has been abandoned by normal maritime traffic thanks to the Abyssals. So you had very few/no direct eyewitnesses. You aren't that lucky with the North Sea/Irish Sea where Azkaban is. Closer to shore, much more maritime traffic, many more witnesses.
A lot of witnesses.
Yes, it's the same problem as the Black Lady outside of Boston is. You can do it, but it can;'t be covered up,and you need substantial resources to pull it off.
So very true in this case...
Plus you need to account for expending a nuke both in terms of 'these are things that government leaders like to have absolute positive control over and know where they are at all times' and when the nuke goes off, seismographs across Europe and the US will pick up the shock wave (how we monitor underground testing), satelites will pick up the double-flash of a nuclear detonation, and it will be very distinctive. Plus you have to reassure the public about things like fallout plumes and other nuclear powers that you aren't tearing up the arms control treaties/SALT treaties so they can do the same.

In short, you will need major public buy-in and major international diplomacy to use this (although after having to obliterate Subcontinental Princess with nukes, the precedent is in the books to use them in extremis with no more than the normal diplomatic issues).
It... is going to be problematic, which is why there is a lot of coordination happening.
Why do I get the feeling that a lot of people on the mundane side of the table are going to stick the Azkaban mission with the tag "Operation Moria"? Because it certainly sounds like the things in the depths qualify for things stirred up when pride sent that wizard digging too deep into the Dark.
Not... impossible really. A bit of bad taste, but then again...
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Now that I think about it, it's possible that in every culture, evil spirits form in a slightly different way. Perhaps in Japan and other more close-knit, they mass-up together due to traditions of community influencing them even after an agonizing death, while somewhere else, perhaps, spirits end up more individualistic and thus don't bunch up and fuse.

So, that could make Azkaban even worse in a certain way. Because it's possible that the monsters within are not only dark and evil, they're also unnatural in a true way, having been forcefully merged together through experiments.
Got it in one, hence why those that went down and managed to return, will not speak of what they encountered.
Eh, I figured out an easy way to deal with the Black Lady. Basically you just need to counter all that negative energy with an equal or greater amount of positive energy.
You just need the following:
  • A Basilisk
  • Some allied Abyssals
  • Some shovels made out of goblin silver
  • Access to the Omnomnomicon (the cookbook that the archdemon of gluttony wrote or you can use his website)
  • Enough booze to fill at least 3 oil tankers
  • A few cargo ships full of food and sugary drinks
  • Fireworks
  • And the help of pretty much every party god that there is
While using the shovels, feed the basilisk all the dark objects that are on the island. After the basilisk is done digesting the objects kill it and use the Omnomnomicon to find a recipe to turn it into a nice meal for the Abyssals. Lastly with the party gods throw a party that reaches a Festivity Level Four on the Successful Party Test and 5 star hangover (aka Dante's 4th Circle of Hell) on the Hangover Rating. Make sure you have plenty of hangover cure potions.

See easy.:V
Also, have it happen on the Fourth of July, so that there's an ambient "Positivity and Party" vibe to reinforce the party.
Umm, so, to recap.

Use a cookbook written an Archdemon, to cook a dead dark creature who was fed and digested all the dark objects on a relatively isolated island impregnated by dark magic and then feed the result to allied creatures who were basically born from the regrets, grudges, anger, and so on of every single human ever lost at sea. Oh and they are either getting drunk or being given a sugar-rush.

That's what was suggested right?

If so, I have no idea where to begin to tsukkomi to this.

Where else is one suppose to find a way to cook a basilisk?

Can you think of any other way to get rid of them that isn't boring? Or doesn't involve enough fire to destroy the island?

1. Got to get rid of the meat somehow.
2. Fleet of Laughter.

How else are you suppose to get that much positive energy that SFW?

If it helps plan B involves enough holy water to fill a lake.
* Does a very slow blink *
I guess it makes sense that with Azkaban having several Things in its depths that are as bad if not worse than a Gashadokuro the "Back up and nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure." is actually one of the responses being seriously being considered. Thats basicly almost "Cthulu-in-A-Can" levels of "Oh Shit!" right there.
Godzilla Threshold really.
Do you know how difficult it is to stuff a Great Old One into a metal can?! You use magically reinforced glass jars! Sheesh.
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Zamarad: "That's the plan, yes." :grin:





Yeah, Delilah's plan is once the SoS falls or cracks enough so she can 'go hot', she would arrange a strike team centered around Zamarad to head to the island where Fort Warren is, take down the Black Lady brutally and spectacularly, then purify the ashes.

Ideally on the 4th of July with TV camera running from a safe distance to show America that Magicals can do fireworks too. :tongue:

(the reason she has not done it yet is that it would also blow the SoS to pieces anytime after she realized that 'this shit needs to end now!' in the 1960s because it is in Boston Harbor. Once the SoS is no longer a concern, she plans to set this into motion by persuading people that it is now time and also using whatever strings she has to)
It does make a certain amount of sense...
Humm - do you think she prefers Tea or Coffee?
The tears of her victims.

:eek:
She must be wiped from existence! She must be unmade completely! She must never have been at all! Fetch the flux capacitor and the really big time turner!
^This!
 
That was also in the middle of the Pacific, which has been abandoned by normal maritime traffic thanks to the Abyssals. So you had very few/no direct eyewitnesses. You aren't that lucky with the North Sea/Irish Sea where Azkaban is. Closer to shore, much more maritime traffic, many more witnesses.



Yes, it's the same problem as the Black Lady outside of Boston is. You can do it, but it can;'t be covered up,and you need substantial resources to pull it off.



Plus you need to account for expending a nuke both in terms of 'these are things that government leaders like to have absolute positive control over and know where they are at all times' and when the nuke goes off, seismographs across Europe and the US will pick up the shock wave (how we monitor underground testing), satelites will pick up the double-flash of a nuclear detonation, and it will be very distinctive. Plus you have to reassure the public about things like fallout plumes and other nuclear powers that you aren't tearing up the arms control treaties/SALT treaties so they can do the same.

In short, you will need major public buy-in and major international diplomacy to use this (although after having to obliterate Subcontinental Princess with nukes, the precedent is in the books to use them in extremis with no more than the normal diplomatic issues).
Why?

Subcontinental Princess has been confirmed in this canon, as being the target of no less than TWO entire MIRV salvos (so a dozen 25-100Kt nukes), and nukes were used elsewhere, especially in China, parts of North Korea (before it collapsed and merged with South Korea), and even the USA is confirmed to have launched them in anger.

With Azkaban, we're talking about a sub-surface, DEEP sub-surface nuclear release. Those types don't cause the double-flash satellites look for, although the earthquake readings certainly would reveal it. Additionally, if its more than a few hundred meters down, it is extremely likely to cause a collapse of the entire island above sea level, as the dungeons honeycomb the island. So we'd end up with much the same effect as the nuclear tests up in Alaska. Where, briefly, the island surface was raised by 25 feet(!!) after a 5Mt deep test, and causing a magnitude 6.7 quake + aftershocks in the 4.0 range, before subsiding into a crater lake 50-75ft deep.

And the Alaska tests were done to an island that was a solid mass. Azkaban is hollowed out for hundreds of meters down, well below sea level. There won't be an island left, just a submerged seamount which might be glowing white hot for a few years (Solar deity powered Ofuda, when the deity is PISSED, are no laughing matter).
 
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I get the feeling that, when the time comes to strike at Azkaban, Hornet is going to have a certain someone re-enact the Raids.
 
Why?

Subcontinental Princess has been confirmed in this canon, as being the target of no less than TWO entire MIRV salvos (so a dozen 25-100Kt nukes), and nukes were used elsewhere, especially in China, parts of North Korea (before it collapsed and merged with South Korea), and even the USA is confirmed to have launched them in anger.

With Azkaban, we're talking about a sub-surface, DEEP sub-surface nuclear release. Those types don't cause the double-flash satellites look for, although the earthquake readings certainly would reveal it. Additionally, if its more than a few hundred meters down, it is extremely likely to cause a collapse of the entire island above sea level, as the dungeons honeycomb the island. So we'd end up with much the same effect as the nuclear tests up in Alaska. Where, briefly, the island surface was raised by 25 feet(!!) after a 5Mt deep test, and causing a magnitude 6.7 quake + aftershocks in the 4.0 range, before subsiding into a crater lake 50-75ft deep.

And the Alaska tests were done to an island that was a solid mass. Azkaban is hollowed out for hundreds of meters down, well below sea level. There won't be an island left, just a submerged seamount which might be glowing white hot for a few years (Solar deity powered Ofuda, when the deity is PISSED, are no laughing matter).

Several reasons. First off, it will be impossible to disguise that you expended a nuke in the North Sea. Either the double flash if surface or the seismic shock wave if subterranean. Trying to conceal this is as impossible as concealing a sunrise.

That means that you have to manage the fallout literal and otherwise if you have to form the Azkaban Seamount.

In the literal sense, you need to do something to reassure the public that they won't be glowing in the dark, plus fallout plumes don't stop at national borders (see: Chernobyl's radiation being exposed when it reached Sweden). You can expect the Greens to be screaming the heads off at a minumum while using this as a cudgel to beat the responsible parties and their political opponents.

Diplomatically, you also do want to let people in the fallout plume and who are diplomatically important know. At least 'this is why we are doing this' to reduce the amount of unplanned consequences, versus say the Russians getting a no-notice report that someone detonated a nuke in the UK. Shocked people can get pushed into hasty and ill-conceived action.

You have time so best let the IE Russians into the loop so they know deep down (probably with a military observer/liason team on site with a radio link to Moscow) that this is a one-off dealing with a major magical menace and not the openign shots of World War III. I suspect when Subcontinental ate the MIRVs, there were some phone calls from DC to Moscow in advance and even then the Russians, Indians, and Chinese were puckered up until their satelites confirmed that the ICBM warheads were not heading at them but instead about to obliterate a particularly dangerous and unfriendly Abyssal.
 
Subcontinental Princess has been confirmed in this canon, as being the target of no less than TWO entire MIRV salvos (so a dozen 25-100Kt nukes)

I'd have to reread the section, but I was under the impression from the hints in snips around the main one that the two MIRVs were the official count. There were quite a few more flashes than that, likely from external contributions who pitched in to help. (I figure India, Pakistan and Russia might have chucked a few of their own at the same target?)
 
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So Azkaban has things in its depths scarier than, to put it in the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Janet Reno in a negligee carryin' a box of rubbers" :lol. Hmm...what could we do? What could we do? ... Oh, here's an idea! If you can put purification charms on nukes, Mother Russia made a bomb that would turn ol' Azzie into a hole in the bottom of the Baltic Sea. It's called the Tsar Bomba. Toss one of those at her.

But the more pressing question is: Has Isley been informed of what happened to her fiance and godson-to-be? If you think Hoppo's reaction was bad, look out.
 
...Well, excuse me, gotta go

PURGING WITH MY KIN
PURGING WITH MY KIN
PURGING WITH MY KIN
PURGING WITH MY KIN

PURGING WITH M-

"You'll dead by the time I got there, you hear me?! Dead and unremembered! Like a colonial heathen you are!"

Okay, woah, cool it off, lady.
:rofl:
...Uum...Tirpitz was sunk by Tallboys, not Grand Slams.
Okay, I derped there...
Why?

Subcontinental Princess has been confirmed in this canon, as being the target of no less than TWO entire MIRV salvos (so a dozen 25-100Kt nukes), and nukes were used elsewhere, especially in China, parts of North Korea (before it collapsed and merged with South Korea), and even the USA is confirmed to have launched them in anger.

With Azkaban, we're talking about a sub-surface, DEEP sub-surface nuclear release. Those types don't cause the double-flash satellites look for, although the earthquake readings certainly would reveal it. Additionally, if its more than a few hundred meters down, it is extremely likely to cause a collapse of the entire island above sea level, as the dungeons honeycomb the island. So we'd end up with much the same effect as the nuclear tests up in Alaska. Where, briefly, the island surface was raised by 25 feet(!!) after a 5Mt deep test, and causing a magnitude 6.7 quake + aftershocks in the 4.0 range, before subsiding into a crater lake 50-75ft deep.

And the Alaska tests were done to an island that was a solid mass. Azkaban is hollowed out for hundreds of meters down, well below sea level. There won't be an island left, just a submerged seamount which might be glowing white hot for a few years (Solar deity powered Ofuda, when the deity is PISSED, are no laughing matter).

Several reasons. First off, it will be impossible to disguise that you expended a nuke in the North Sea. Either the double flash if surface or the seismic shock wave if subterranean. Trying to conceal this is as impossible as concealing a sunrise.

That means that you have to manage the fallout literal and otherwise if you have to form the Azkaban Seamount.

In the literal sense, you need to do something to reassure the public that they won't be glowing in the dark, plus fallout plumes don't stop at national borders (see: Chernobyl's radiation being exposed when it reached Sweden). You can expect the Greens to be screaming the heads off at a minumum while using this as a cudgel to beat the responsible parties and their political opponents.

Diplomatically, you also do want to let people in the fallout plume and who are diplomatically important know. At least 'this is why we are doing this' to reduce the amount of unplanned consequences, versus say the Russians getting a no-notice report that someone detonated a nuke in the UK. Shocked people can get pushed into hasty and ill-conceived action.

You have time so best let the IE Russians into the loop so they know deep down (probably with a military observer/liason team on site with a radio link to Moscow) that this is a one-off dealing with a major magical menace and not the openign shots of World War III.
In general, the nuke is a "Last Resort" against Azkaban as they are going to try and level it "Conventionally". The big thing though is that it is a shipgirl nuke, which doesn't actually leave real fallout behind. It is why no one worries about shipgirls tossing shells around because when they detonate, they don't leave any remnants behind being spiritual constructs. That said, Britain is going to let pretty much everyone who needs to know, actually know. And considering what they do know about Azkaban... a lot of them would agree with what Britain might do.

As for Russia, chances are that you would get Gangut there as an observer to help out.
So Azkaban has things in its depths scarier than, to put it in the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Janet Reno in a negligee carryin' a box of rubbers" :lol. Hmm...what could we do? What could we do? ... Oh, here's an idea! If you can put purification charms on nukes, Mother Russia made a bomb that would turn ol' Azzie into a hole in the bottom of the Baltic Sea. It's called the Tsar Bomba. Toss one of those at her.
Uh, no... because that would fry everything within about sixty miles of Ground Zero, including the shipgirls involved.
But the more pressing question is: Has Isley been informed of what happened to her fiance and godson-to-be? If you think Hoppo's reaction was bad, look out.
Hoppou's worse, if only due to being one of the Elder Princesses.
^This, pretty much.
 
So Azkaban has things in its depths scarier than, to put it in the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Janet Reno in a negligee carryin' a box of rubbers" :lol. Hmm...what could we do? What could we do? ... Oh, here's an idea! If you can put purification charms on nukes, Mother Russia made a bomb that would turn ol' Azzie into a hole in the bottom of the Baltic Sea. It's called the Tsar Bomba. Toss one of those at her.

But the more pressing question is: Has Isley been informed of what happened to her fiance and godson-to-be? If you think Hoppo's reaction was bad, look out.
Tsar Bomba caused fires 500 miles away, and the heat was felt 1,000 miles away. The fireball alone was well over five spherical miles across. If you buried that a mile, straight down, beneath Manhattan Island, and initiated the bomb, there wouldn't BE an island of Manhattan anymore. And it'd still wipe out everything on the surface for probably 150 miles in all directions. And Azkaban is sure as hell less than 150 miles off UK's western shore, and probably just as close to Ireland, if not possibly closer. Anything over a megaton would be....bad.

The bomb we're referring to, the one HMS Plym has, is 'only' 25 kilotons. A sub-surface detonation from it, even only 200-300 meters down, would create one hell of a wave shock, and ejecta from the remains of the island probably would be a threat to airliners descending/ascending from cruise altitude, but otherwise would have an extremely remote chance of ever seeing damage done to either England or Ireland. But outside of that, not really much would occur beyond a whole lot of stunned birds & fish and some dead crabs.

How it would work is that the fireball would be mostly contained under the rocks above (briefly....very, very, briefly) while liquefying/evaporating any tunnel support structures immediately within the fireball, while the seismic shock demolishes the means to support any tunnels beyond that distance. In short, gutting the supports needed to keep all that rock above the fireball's liquefying radius (plus the above ground portions of the prison), from crashing down into the huge hole left behind. IIRC, the movie portrayed Azkaban as taking up one portion of the island almost right up to the shoreline, with outer buttress walls actually forming sea-walls. In that case, if the whole prison collapses into the hole left, it very likely will collapse far enough 'down' that the ocean will pour in over the top, which is even more metric tons per square inch compressing the rubble downwards. Very very few things will survive a nuke, 200m-300m below surface cave-in, followed by billions of gallons of seawater....which is near boiling hot from touching the liquefied parts of the rubble mass.....all happening both around them and then on top of them.

Anything much beyond the Plym bomb (Operation Hurricane) is well into 'bad' levels of overkill (see below). In fact, likely even a 30Kt bomb would have minor detrimental effects felt by Ireland & the UK.

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Tsar Bomba, while technically more efficient, as it really WOULD evaporate the island (and how) along with anything below it all the way down to the continental shelf itself (and then dig a little), the side effects are waaaaaaaay out of scale of what's needed.

There's a wonderful youtube video that many people like to use about Mariana Trench vs a Nuke, and how it wouldn't do jack on the surface. Most people forget that the video is only referring to a 1Mt blast at best. You could detonate the Tsar Bomba at Challenger Deep, and while the top of the fireball would still be about 1.7 miles below the surface....that's still 5 MILES of ocean that just evaporated. If you were directly above? You're still dead from the rising pressure wave. Or if say, you detonated it at the very foot of Mauna Loa/The 'big island' of Hawaii, on the sea floor of the Pacfic, the fireball would extend ABOVE sea by 1.9 miles (and very likely incinerate airliners overhead).

That's in the Pacific, at Hawaii at 3.1 miles deep. Or Challenger Deep at 6.7 miles deep.

Off the west coast of England/Ireland? Still on the continental shelf?

The average is ninety-five METERS deep. Which is shallow enough to cause a mega-tsunami.

You'd very likely kill every living thing in Northern Ireland, and take out a good chunk of western Scotland.
 
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...Uum is Arsekaban in the North Sea or the North Atlantic? 'cause people are say that the Irish sea is connected to the North Sea. It's not, the North Sea is between Scottyland and England to the West and Norway to the East. The Irish Sea is between Ireland to the west and England/Scottyland to the East. The Irish Sea directly connects to the English Channel to the south and the North Atlantic in the north. If Arsekabob is in the North Sea then it is no where near Ireland.
 
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