[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
So they're alternating between screaming and asking Ancient Mai if she has some sort of extreme strength child leash/cat bell to put on Molly to avoid situations like this? Perhaps a laser pointer to keep her away from the sensitive bits of reality?
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
Lara is not sure whether to be happy about her truce with Molly or not; on one hand, she hasn't been on the receiving end of an Exalted asskicking; on the other hand, there is no minimum safe distance when Molly is involved, no matter what planet, dimension, or state of being you're in.
Mab: New Rule for the Accords. If reality trembles, blame Molly. If reality cracks, blame Molly. If reality shatters, blame Molly. If there's no proof she did it, she did it. If there's proof she's innocent, she's not. Molly is at fault.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
Lara is not sure whether to be happy about her truce with Molly or not; on one hand, she hasn't been on the receiving end of an Exalted asskicking; on the other hand, there is no minimum safe distance when Molly is involved, no matter what planet, dimension, or state of being you're in.
Mab: New Rule for the Accords. If reality trembles, blame Molly. If reality cracks, blame Molly. If reality shatters, blame Molly. If there's no proof she did it, she did it. If there's proof she's innocent, she's not. Molly is at fault.
So, continuing on from this. Let me try to actually provide meaningful numbers:
1) Assume Harry is willing to spend all WP, and all his mote pool to achieve as many successes on an extended Arete roll as possible. The rules are as outlined in the linked post:
On 1, subtract 1 success from a roll
10s count as 2 successes
If total amount of successes is at least one, increase DC by 1, and roll again. If increased DC is above 10, add one more required success instead.
If total amount of successes is no more than 0, stop rolling, and count the sequence as a failure
Initial mote pool is 5, spend 1 mote per roll for an autosuccess
Initial WP is 9, spend 1 WP per roll for an autosuccess
Arete score (dicepool) is 6
He actually has to roll, he can't just spend motes to achieve autosuccess without rolling (hence <100% odds for up to 5 successes needed)
Based on these rules, the probability table of Harry succeeding is given as follows (rows are initial DC level of the roll, columns are initial successes needed to be achieved)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
3
99.9
99.9
99.8
99.8
99.8
99.8
99.7
99.6
99.6
99.5
99.5
99.4
99.3
99.2
99.0
98.9
98.7
98.5
98.2
97.8
97.4
96.7
95.9
94.7
93.2
4
99.7
99.7
99.7
99.7
99.6
99.5
99.4
99.2
99.1
98.9
98.8
98.6
98.4
98.1
97.7
97.2
96.7
95.9
94.9
93.5
91.7
89.4
86.3
82.6
78.2
5
99.4
99.4
99.4
99.3
99.1
98.9
98.6
98.3
98.0
97.7
97.3
96.8
96.1
95.3
94.2
92.7
90.8
88.3
85.0
80.9
76.1
70.5
64.4
57.7
50.8
6
99.0
98.9
98.8
98.5
98.2
97.7
97.1
96.6
95.9
95.0
93.9
92.6
90.7
88.4
85.3
81.5
76.7
71.2
64.8
58.0
51.0
44.0
37.2
30.8
25.1
7
98.2
98.1
97.7
97.2
96.4
95.3
94.2
92.9
91.2
89.1
86.3
82.8
78.5
73.3
67.2
60.7
53.7
46.7
39.8
33.3
27.3
22.0
17.3
13.5
10.3
8
97.0
96.7
95.8
94.5
92.9
90.9
88.5
85.6
82.0
77.6
72.6
66.6
60.2
53.3
46.4
39.6
33.2
27.2
22.0
17.5
13.6
10.4
7.8
5.8
4.2
9
95.2
94.2
92.3
89.9
86.9
83.4
79.4
74.8
69.5
63.5
57.1
50.4
43.6
37.0
30.8
25.2
20.3
16.0
12.3
9.5
7.1
5.2
3.8
2.7
1.9
10
92.5
90.4
87.1
84.0
79.6
75.3
70.2
64.6
58.5
52.0
45.3
38.8
32.5
26.7
21.6
17.2
13.4
10.3
7.8
5.8
4.2
3.0
2.1
1.5
1.0
With initial DC of 8, Harry has a better than even odds to achieve 14 successes, only dropping below that at 15.
Now, let's compare it to Harry without essence (same rules, mote pool is 0).
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
3
99.5
99.5
99.4
99.4
99.2
99.0
98.7
98.4
98.1
97.8
97.3
96.9
96.3
95.5
94.7
93.8
92.7
91.3
89.8
87.9
85.8
83.2
80.2
76.8
72.9
4
98.9
98.9
98.7
98.5
98.1
97.6
97.0
96.3
95.6
94.7
93.7
92.5
91.0
89.2
87.2
84.8
82.0
78.8
75.0
70.7
66.0
60.9
55.4
49.8
43.9
5
97.9
97.8
97.4
96.8
95.9
94.8
93.5
92.0
90.3
88.3
85.8
82.9
79.6
75.7
71.3
66.4
61.2
55.5
49.6
43.7
37.8
32.2
27.0
22.2
17.9
6
96.3
95.8
94.8
93.4
91.5
89.1
86.3
83.2
79.5
75.2
70.3
65.0
59.1
53.0
46.7
40.7
34.7
29.3
24.2
19.7
15.9
12.5
9.7
7.4
5.6
7
93.5
92.2
90.0
86.9
83.0
78.3
73.1
67.2
60.9
54.2
47.4
41.0
34.8
29.1
24.1
19.5
15.7
12.4
9.7
7.5
5.7
4.2
3.1
2.3
1.6
8
88.9
86.0
81.4
75.3
68.3
60.8
53.2
45.7
38.8
32.4
26.6
21.7
17.6
14.1
11.2
8.7
6.8
5.1
3.9
2.9
2.1
1.5
1.1
0.8
0.5
9
81.7
75.3
67.0
58.0
49.1
41.1
33.9
27.8
22.6
18.3
14.7
11.8
9.2
7.3
5.6
4.2
3.2
2.4
1.7
1.2
0.9
0.6
0.4
0.3
0.2
10
70.0
59.8
51.7
41.0
34.6
27.3
22.7
18.0
14.7
11.6
9.4
7.3
5.7
4.3
3.3
2.5
1.8
1.3
0.9
0.6
0.4
0.3
0.2
0.1
0.1
Well, that certainly looks like a stark difference, doesn't it? Enlightened Harry is capable of godlike (according to WoD chart) feats for anything up to DC 5. Without enlightenment, he can only do DC4, and even then the probability drops much sharper. And for DC8 he only has better than even odds to achieve 7 successes. Still not bad, but that's a whole different category.
Now, what if Harry was Merlin instead? So, Arete 10, WP9, no essence.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
3
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.9
99.8
99.8
99.7
99.7
99.6
99.6
99.5
99.5
99.4
99.3
99.1
99.0
98.8
98.6
98.3
98.0
97.7
4
99.8
99.8
99.8
99.8
99.7
99.7
99.6
99.5
99.4
99.2
99.1
98.9
98.7
98.5
98.3
97.9
97.5
97.1
96.5
95.8
95.0
94.0
92.8
91.4
89.7
5
99.4
99.4
99.3
99.2
99.1
98.9
98.7
98.3
98.0
97.5
97.0
96.4
95.7
94.8
93.7
92.4
90.8
89.0
86.7
84.3
81.4
78.0
74.3
70.5
65.9
6
98.5
98.4
98.2
97.9
97.4
96.8
95.9
94.9
93.7
92.2
90.4
88.4
85.8
83.0
79.6
75.8
71.6
67.2
62.4
57.3
52.4
47.2
42.5
37.8
33.4
7
96.6
96.3
95.6
94.4
92.9
90.8
88.3
85.3
81.9
77.9
73.5
68.6
63.4
58.1
52.8
47.4
42.3
37.4
32.9
28.8
24.9
21.5
18.5
15.8
13.3
8
92.8
91.4
89.1
85.7
81.6
76.6
71.0
65.2
59.2
53.2
47.5
42.0
37.0
32.3
28.1
24.4
21.1
18.1
15.5
13.2
11.2
9.4
8.0
6.6
5.5
9
85.2
81.0
75.3
68.6
61.5
54.6
48.0
42.1
36.7
32.0
27.7
24.1
20.8
18.0
15.4
13.2
11.3
9.6
8.1
6.8
5.7
4.7
3.9
3.2
2.6
10
70.8
64.5
57.5
50.3
44.0
38.0
33.1
28.5
24.7
21.3
18.5
16.0
13.8
11.8
10.0
8.6
7.3
6.1
5.1
4.3
3.5
2.9
2.3
1.8
1.5
The numbers are interesting, however what I am truly interested in is to compare the odds of an Enlightened Harry and a theoretical peak wizard. So, let's do this, and sucbract Merlin's table from Enlighten Harry's. The results are actually very interesting:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
3
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.2
-0.2
-0.3
-0.3
-0.3
-0.3
-0.4
-0.4
-0.5
-0.6
-0.7
-0.8
-0.9
-1.1
-1.4
-1.8
-2.4
-3.3
-4.5
4
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.1
-0.2
-0.2
-0.3
-0.3
-0.3
-0.3
-0.3
-0.4
-0.5
-0.6
-0.7
-0.9
-1.1
-1.6
-2.3
-3.3
-4.6
-6.5
-8.9
-11.5
5
0.1
0.0
0.0
0.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.1
0.2
0.2
0.4
0.4
0.5
0.5
0.3
-0.1
-0.7
-1.8
-3.3
-5.4
-7.5
-10.0
-12.7
-15.2
6
0.5
0.5
0.6
0.6
0.8
0.9
1.2
1.7
2.2
2.8
3.5
4.2
4.9
5.4
5.7
5.7
5.0
4.1
2.4
0.6
-1.4
-3.3
-5.3
-7.0
-8.3
7
1.6
1.8
2.2
2.7
3.5
4.5
5.9
7.6
9.3
11.2
12.8
14.2
15.0
15.1
14.4
13.3
11.4
9.4
6.9
4.5
2.4
0.5
-1.2
-2.3
-3.0
8
4.2
5.3
6.7
8.8
11.3
14.3
17.6
20.4
22.8
24.4
25.1
24.6
23.3
21.1
18.3
15.2
12.1
9.1
6.5
4.3
2.4
1.0
-0.1
-0.8
-1.3
9
10.1
13.2
17.0
21.3
25.4
28.8
31.4
32.7
32.7
31.5
29.4
26.3
22.8
19.0
15.4
12.0
9.0
6.4
4.2
2.6
1.4
0.5
-0.1
-0.5
-0.7
10
21.7
25.9
29.6
33.7
35.6
37.3
37.2
36.1
33.7
30.7
26.9
22.8
18.7
15.0
11.6
8.5
6.1
4.2
2.7
1.5
0.7
0.2
-0.2
-0.4
-0.5
I highlighted the parts of the table where Harry beats Merlin. Not the current Merlin. The original article. And it looks like he does so for hard feats (high DC) up to low godlike scale (in WoD that's razing cities and such).
Working back mechanics to narrative, right now, within his areas of specialization fully rested and prepared Harry is the most powerful wizard on the planet and, assuming Merlin was a pure mortal, beats out original Merlin if both have equivalent equipment and prep up to low level godlike scale. So, he can't make a new Demonreach, but he almost certainly can improve upon it, and he certainly should be able to vastly improve upon his own previous works, such as little Chicago.
The calculator code for review is given below, for people to check in case I messed something up, and to play with. It's written in Matlab.
Code:
clear all
statistic1=1e6; %how large of a statistical sample of extended dice roll sessions to achieve
dicepool=6; %dicepool being rolled (Arete score)
substr=1; %if 1 - substract successes when 1 is rolled, if 0, don't substract successes on 1 being rolled
max_successes=25; %maximum amount of needed successes to explore
success_table=zeros(10,max_successes); %output table generation
WP_spend=true; %spend WP while available to achieve +1 free success on a roll
mote_spend=true; %spend mote while available to achieve +1 free success on a roll
for successes_needed=1:max_successes %scan required successes from 1 to max_successes
for DC=3:10 %scan initital DC in range from 3 to 10
for i=1:statistic1 %roll statistic1 extended rolls
difficulty=DC; %reinitialize initial DC of the extended roll
successes_needed_tmp=successes_needed; %reinitialize the amount of successes needed to be achieved for this extended roll
successes=0; %reinititalize total amoount of succcesses achieved during this extended roll
WP_pool=9; %reinitialize willpower pool
mote_pool=5; %reinititalize mote pool
failure=false; %you haven't failed before you started
while not(failure) & (successes<=successes_needed_tmp) %keep the extended roll going until you either fail or succeed
dice_pool_succs=0; %reinititalize the amuont of successes for the given roll in an extended roll
if (WP_pool>=1)& WP_spend %spend 1 WP to achieve +1 successe
dice_pool_succs=dice_pool_succs+1;
successes=successes+1;
WP_pool=WP_pool-1; %remove 1 temporary WP from the pool
end
if (mote_pool>=1) & mote_spend %spend 1 mote to achieve +1 successe
dice_pool_succs=dice_pool_succs+1;
successes=successes+1;
mote_pool=mote_pool-1; %remove 1 mote from the pool
end
for j=1:dicepool %roll dicepool amount of dice
dice_result=randi(10); %roll the next die
if (dice_result==1) & (substr==1) %if you rolled 1
successes=successes-1;
dice_pool_succs=dice_pool_succs-1;
end
if dice_result>=difficulty %if you beat the difficulty challenge
dice_pool_succs=dice_pool_succs+1;
successes=successes+1;
if dice_result==10 %if you rolled a ten
successes=successes+1;
dice_pool_succs=dice_pool_succs+1;
end
end
end
if successes<successes_needed_tmp %adjust diffiuculty and keep going
if dice_pool_succs<=0
failure=true;
end
if difficulty<10
difficulty=difficulty+1;
else
successes_needed_tmp=successes_needed_tmp+1;
end
end
end
if successes>=successes_needed_tmp %if you succeeded in the extended roll, update the output table
success_table(DC,successes_needed)=success_table(DC,successes_needed)+1;
end
end
end
end
success_table=success_table/statistic1*100; %normalize the output
To put this in my own View the reason I voted for Yog's plan despite not being a fan of telling Mab anything was because of the correspondence sphere range chart with us acting as a essentially briefly touched or met object or person as a focus for it correspondence ritual he would only need 6 successes to be able to search the entire planet for the exaltations because we did briefly meet the exaltations that flew past us and we do possess an excitation of our own that it is of a compatible nature to count as a sympathetic connection.
Automatic successes are really powerful and a wizard that has them is even more so. Using us as an anchor for a sympathetic correspondence ritual to find the other exaltations because we personally facilitated their release and saw them would have lowered the difficulty of such a pretty mild spell effect to be honest even further.
Dresden even with his young Mage spheres could kill all of Ariana's descendants without a major ritual at the moment due to us having a personal item for sympathetic Magic that grants a -3 difficulty to the role to correspondence Fireball all of her descendants at once. Like the Kindred they have Tinder skin which means they take aggravated damage from fire and their disciplines don't super help them against that and he could easily put out 18 damage worth of Agg in such a ritual.
I don't know why people keep insisting that magic can't do things when that's not particularly true in exalted there's like two things sorcery can't do and it's even less true in world of darkness and Dresden Files which seems to suggest magic can do literally anything in those settings.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
To put this in my own View the reason I voted for Yog's plan despite not being a fan of telling Mab anything was because of the correspondence sphere range chart with us acting as a essentially briefly touched or met object or person as a focus for it correspondence ritual he would only need 6 successes to be able to search the entire planet for the exaltations because we did briefly meet the exaltations that flew past us and we do possess an excitation of our own that it is of a compatible nature to count as a sympathetic connection.
Automatic successes are really powerful and a wizard that has them is even more so. Using us as an anchor for a sympathetic correspondence ritual to find the other exaltations because we personally facilitated their release and saw them would have lowered the difficulty of such a pretty mild spell effect to be honest even further.
Dresden even with his young Mage spheres could kill all of Ariana's descendants without a major ritual at the moment due to us having a personal item for sympathetic Magic that grants a -3 difficulty to the role to correspondence Fireball all of her descendants at once. Like the Kindred they have Tinder skin which means they take aggravated damage from fire and their disciplines don't super help them against that and he could easily put out 18 damage worth of Agg in such a ritual.
I don't know why people keep insisting that magic can't do things when that's not particularly true in exalted there's like two things sorcery can't do and it's even less true in world of darkness and Dresden Files which seems to suggest magic can do literally anything in those settings.
To be fair, Dresden Files magic is not WoD magic, and difficulty and required success tables have likely been strongly adjusted. But if I haven't messed up mechanics, the main point stands - Enlightenment put Dresden in a range where he is more or less original Merlin's peer in terms of alpha strike capability. After that he rapidly drops back to his normal power levels due to exhausting his mote pool, but for a singular spell, he is up there in terms of capabilities.
@DragonParadox if you don't mind, could you answer three questions:
1) Are the rules under which I did the modeling for extended roll success probability correct? If not, what needs adjusting?
2) Narratively, do mechanics represent the lore here? Mechanically, the effect of awakened essence puts Dresden (for a singular spell, when fully rested) in league with theoretical top possible human wizard - stronger even for a number of rituals
3) There's nothing in the craft document that normally allows us do interact with Arete rolls. I fully understand and agree that Invincible Assertion is way too powerful to allow it to be used for Arete rolls (at most I can see it being partially usable, preventing botches). However, would wonder-work of heroes be allowed to apply to Arete instead of attribute?
This Element can only be part of an Adornment.
The Splendor grants the user one bonus dot of one Attribute, chosen at the time of its creation.
This Element may be incorporated into a Splendor more than once, but no individual option can
be picked more than twice. No option can raise an Exalt's rating above 5 dots unless the
Splendor is rated 4 or 5 dots. No option can raise an Exalt's rating above 6 dots unless the
Splendor is rated 5 dots.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this.
-[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly.
-[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
To be fair, Dresden Files magic is not WoD magic, and difficulty and required success tables have likely been strongly adjusted. But if I haven't messed up mechanics, the main point stands - Enlightenment put Dresden in a range where he is more or less original Merlin's peer in terms of alpha strike capability. After that he rapidly drops back to his normal power levels due to exhausting his mote pool, but for a singular spell, he is up there in terms of capabilities.
@DragonParadox if you don't mind, could you answer three questions:
1) Are the rules under which I did the modeling for extended roll success probability correct? If not, what needs adjusting?
2) Narratively, do mechanics represent the lore here? Mechanically, the effect of awakened essence puts Dresden (for a singular spell, when fully rested) in league with theoretical top possible human wizard - stronger even for a number of rituals
3) There's nothing in the craft document that normally allows us do interact with Arete rolls. I fully understand and agree that Invincible Assertion is way too powerful to allow it to be used for Arete rolls (at most I can see it being partially usable, preventing botches). However, would wonder-work of heroes be allowed to apply to Arete instead of attribute?
This Element can only be part of an Adornment.
The Splendor grants the user one bonus dot of one Attribute, chosen at the time of its creation.
This Element may be incorporated into a Splendor more than once, but no individual option can
be picked more than twice. No option can raise an Exalt's rating above 5 dots unless the
Splendor is rated 4 or 5 dots. No option can raise an Exalt's rating above 6 dots unless the
Splendor is rated 5 dots.
It puts him leagues above the highest theoretical 'most skilled UnAwakened Harry Dresden'. Other Senior wizards may have their own tricks
Yes, but only once not twice, since +1 arete is more powerful than +1 attribute
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 18, 2025 at 10:45 AM, finished with 43 posts and 12 votes.
[X] Stonewall her, he hadn't even gotten in touch with the Senior Council, the last thing anyone needed was the White Court jumping in on this. -[X] Explain that Molly did something. Probably. Actually, he's not sure either. But it's definitely Molly. -[X] Tell Lara to stop yelling at him. He still needs to yell at Molly. She can join in the bloody queue.
[X] Explain what he knows, there's worse people to bring in than her -[X] Harry didn't have anything to do with it, but he has second hand knowledge of what happened -[X] Molly has subverted the Black Court, they are likely to become less universally hostile soon. The situation is ongoing -[X] Something might have been unleashed in the process.
Harry shows up at the Last Station about twenty minutes after the Anomaly, a word that had already started catching on by the sheer bewilderment of every expert news channels could get on air, accompanied by half a dozen of Lydia's Hounds, the knights of ancient power and as of yet little renown in this age of the world as well as the only Senior Council Member who could make it to Chicago. Joseph Listens to the Wind. The only one who seems relaxed is his masked furry companion Little Brother, Judging from the way he stares longingly at Tiffany's hair in passing one suspects he would rather be playing with that than paying attention to whatever had gotten his human up in arms. Literally up in arms as the case may be. Even without a wizard's Sight you can feel the power humming in the two pouches, one hung on his belt, another around his neck. He had come armed for...
"The dark one, where is it?" he asks without the preamble of old courtesies that is as much of a staple of old wizards as it is any other faction of the secret world.
...Something considerably worse than 'bear'.
"Still staring up at the sun, I don't think he's going to stop at least until it goes down, probably longer to be honest. His sense likely skews long."
"Why did you bring it forth?" The question doesn't sound outright hostile, but it's certainly owes more to inquisition than inquisitiveness.
"Because it... he..." you frown. Lamentations of the Void is unlikely to care what word you use in place of his name, or even if you give him another name entirely, but English being what it is 'he' more personable and he is or at the very least could be a person. "Wanted to see the sun, it was a desire not rooted in unmaking, a wedge that could be driven between what he is and what he might yet be."
"And in pressing that wedge you opened a door," the elder wizard states, the words make no pretense of being a question. A part of you really wishes Dad had been home when they went looking for him. That he were here. No doubt where he was Called there is need of him too, but you're no saint, no matter what some of the people of Sanctuary might think.
"The world below has want of stronger hinges 'pon its doors," Lyr jokes, causing Mabon to growl under his breath... so he adds a smile to it, the kind that says 'you knew who I was when you took up with me'.
Listens to the Wind pays no mind to the byplay. "What was on the other side? Was it awake or was it sleeping, was it something or nothing?"
"Both, neither, it wants to be nothing but it is forced to be something, existence hurts. Not undead but..." The word in the vision comes back to you. "Neverborn."
A look of recognition passes over the older wizard's face, but when Harry opens his mouth to ask the obvious question he raises a hand. "Wait a moment. Margret Carpenter, why did you descend so deep, why disturb that which you found below?"
Lydia looks a little intimidated at the implication of wrongdoing, Tiffany vaguely amused, her bow-shaped lips threatening to form the genteel approximation of a sneer. And you...
[] Don't have time for an interrogation, you called for help looking for the missing shards
[] Feel guilty, Aakebushu did warn you in his own way
[] Write in
OOC: The Molly lost 2 Essence opening a way though her soul and then got them back from time spent in her kingdom while waiting, hance why she it at the same Essence total
Rolls Listens to the Wind Wits+Occult
(I'm not even going to roll socials to see if you notice, he doesn't have the dice pools to contest you his spells aren't made for that either)
[X] In pursuit of Kemmler's most trusted companion I descended into the Underworld, and to prevent their plans from ever having a chance to come to fruition I had to take a chance myself, opposing mercy to malice. Rejoice, for in that, at least, I was successful, and they are dead beyond the boundaries of afterlife, never to haunt Creation again
-[X] Subterfuge excellency
-[X] You don't have time for a detailed debriefing, you called for help looking for the missing shards
One of Harry's big fears is Bob getting discovered. So, redirect. We pursued Kemmler's spirit of knowledge. We stopped his plans to use Black Court. We spirit killed him.
For now Yog, but I think we can do better. BUT I can't write speeches. But I agree that we must adequately explain our position and why we did it other than out of pity.
For now Yog, but I think we can do better. BUT I can't write speeches. But I agree that we must adequately explain our position and why we did it other than out of pity.
I am trying for a redirect, setting it up as an alternative "Molly releases LoV with a chance of LoV going good", and "Kemmler's pet spirit releases / subverts LoV". Avoid "Molly kills everyone involved" as a realistic expectation, focus on "we killed Kemmler's most trusted companion before they could cause Apocalypse" and press forward to "but there were side effects, and we need to deal with those".
How much do we actually need to give him? I think a more important part of this discussion is clarifying what got out.
Also, we're not under good enough wards right now to spill our guts. People like Anduriel only have so much focus, but everyone who can is probably stalking us right now.
All that aside; why did we go further than the Angel? I don't think we have a better answer than curiosity because we didn't know what was down there till we arrived.
I am trying for a redirect, setting it up as an alternative "Molly releases LoV with a chance of LoV going good", and "Kemmler's pet spirit releases / subverts LoV". Avoid "Molly kills everyone involved" as a realistic expectation, focus on "we killed Kemmler's most trusted companion before they could cause Apocalypse" and press forward to "but there were side effects, and we need to deal with those".
Reasonable, not quite true, but reasonable. I think it'll do for now. Afterwards, we'll have to try to justify that the Shards might be less dangerous than the Black Vampires. If only because they're probably not a direct puppet of oblivion wanting to kill everything, but just painted black...
All that aside; why did we go further than the Angel? I don't think we have a better answer than curiosity because we didn't know what was down there till we arrived.
It's simple, we were already threatened by the creatures that came out of the place he was guarding and we went further to stop the threats once we were there.
