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Grandfather Clock and the Town of Mimics (Mafia)

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@mesonoxian I probably should have pinged you when I first posted this, though since you quoted Shadell as saying the last line I think you must have seen it. Any explanation for what happened to your scum read?



InterstellarHobo said:
Mesonoxian: Considerable scum read.
-ROSEN FLIPS TOWN
YesterDay claimed Yun suspicious, with only saving grace being -Rosen pushing super hard. Day starts with the suspicion on Yun having vanished, and no pushes made. Later vote is very plausibly distancing, particularly with switching off to dink QT.
Need to reread early material.
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InterstellarHobo said:
@mesonoxian I probably should have pinged you when I first posted this, though since you quoted Shadell as saying the last line I think you must have seen it. Any explanation for what happened to your scum read?
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I'm still scumreading Yun. I just think that permitting inactivity to function as a strategy is bad for the long term health of our mafia games overall, since it produces an environment where not playing is a viable scum strategy. Yun is absolutely who I would be voting for if eliminating scum this game were my only concern, but when QT hadn't posted for most of entire day for the second time I thought actually acting on my previously stated principles was called for.
 
mesonoxian said:
I'm still scumreading Yun. I just think that permitting inactivity to function as a strategy is bad for the long term health of our mafia games overall, since it produces an environment where not playing is a viable scum strategy. Yun is absolutely who I would be voting for if eliminating scum this game were my only concern, but when QT hadn't posted for most of entire day for the second time I thought actually acting on my previously stated principles was called for.
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Mmm, your vote on QT is more or less irrelevant.
In the quoted posts from D2 you state scum reading Yun, mitigated by -Rosen's presumed scum push.
In the first quoted post from D3 you state a lack of scum reads.
The second quoted post is far less explicit, but seems to evidence a lack of scum reads on Yun.
This is followed by another post I missed first time around, in which you state you have no idea who is scum.
mesonoxian said:
I figure I owe everyone a defense. I screwed up and I feel like I should acknowledge that, and I also need to avoid costing us another daykill by getting voted out myself.

The reason I think Zaealix was a likely target was that they were a near vote day 1 and still seemed to have a fair amount of suspicion day 2. If I were in the shoes of our scum, I think I'd have let them go and targeted somebody who was being townread more consistently.

I have no idea who is the scum. I feel like I must be missing something obvious, but I have no clue what. @Yun has been playing pretty oddly, but I am not sure if it is scumminess or general newbie missteps while getting used to the game.

Yun, do you have any reads on anybody besides Cyri? Say Qtesseract or Shadell?
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It appears that you have gone from scumreading Yun, but not voting because -Rosen was more suspicious, to not scumreading Yun, back to scumreading Yun- with no explanation for how the initial scumread disappeared.
 
mesonoxian said:
I'm still scumreading Yun. I just think that permitting inactivity to function as a strategy is bad for the long term health of our mafia games overall, since it produces an environment where not playing is a viable scum strategy. Yun is absolutely who I would be voting for if eliminating scum this game were my only concern, but when QT hadn't posted for most of entire day for the second time I thought actually acting on my previously stated principles was called for.
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We should always vote scum, and "I'd vote this player for scum, but POLICY" is actually incredibly scummy, particularly when it's agreeing someone is likely scum but, refusing to vote the likely scum for... reasons.

Like, this kind of hedging is just setting things up to have 'agreed' with the Yun vote when Yun flips without actually supporting it.

IMO, Yun dies today, then when/if Yun flips scum, Meso dies D5.
 
Trending town on all 3 atm. IH came in yesterday, so inactivity is readily forgivable, and IH has generally done well today.

  1. Cyricubed- slight town
  2. mesonoxian- Scum
  3. Yun- Scum
  4. Shalmoa- slight town
  5. InterstellarHobo- slight town
  6. QTesseract- Neutral, edging toward town for what posts QT has made and overall inactivity across games
  7. PyrrosWarrior- Neutral, not likely being voted today out of courtesy and catching up atm, so kinda moot.
 
I'm reasonably sure Cyricubed is town, I've got a slight town lean on InterstellarHobo, and I think how mesonoxian went for the QT wagon came across as pretty scummy. My other scum reads are Yun (strong) and QT (entirely circumstantial). The one I've got nothing on is PyrrosWarrior, for obvious reasons. I think Cyricubed is more likely to be town than Shadell, but I think Shadell's pretty likely to be town at this point.
 
mesonoxian said:
@QTesseract please post more today. Especially if you are town, but even if your aren't. It will really suck if the reason scum wins is one of them basically didn't play the game.
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Shadell said:
Discussion on scum targeting the most valuable/active/vet/leaderly/etc town players D1 and some into D2. Scum moved against this by hitting one of the newest players that would also have been good cover for scum. This tells me that scum's diversifying their hits to avoid being called out obviously for hitting the clearest targets before they can't hide a scum-member among the clearer targets anymore.

Breaking that down, that pings me as you, Shalmoa or QT, but that's hardly conclusive evidence, and also overlaps a lot with my town reads, which isn't that out there as a goal.

For QT, they're definitely being QTish, which means a bit more inactive than I'd like, but a valuable contributor when they do participate. The only time I can remember QT being super active in discussion is Crows when they were outed as a magpie (IIRC) and trying to sell ravens on an alliance. So, hard to read, but generally feels towny.

Again, I'd like to be pushing people more atm.


@InterstellarHobo @QTesseract what are your thoughts on Yun?
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I asked to be subbed out. I've wanted to be active more for this game, but the amount of time i have available on something other than my phone is... low. This hasn't been fair to my townmates, nor has it been good for the game, but as it doesn't seem like a replacement is currently an option, I'll try to at least give something here; an insufficient performance is, at least, hpefully better than none.
Shadell said:
I've seen QT voted over inactivity a bunch, never has it ended well for town.
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There have been, I think, 2 occasions where town should have voted me for inactivity, but did not, and paid for it. There have also been times where town has lynched me for inactivity and should not have. This is qualitatively different from both, though, as it's not a strategy in either direction.
 
Yun said:
@mesonoxian @InterstellarHobo @PyrrosWarrior @QTesseract Can all of you give me a player read similar to what Shadell did two posts above my own? I'm looking to confirm something, and based upon the time remaining for me a speedy reply would be much appreciated.
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My only two reads I'd be willing to put out at the moment are on Shadell and Cyric, for town and lean town, respectively. I had a scum read on you in the past, but I haven't been active enough of an observer to be confident in it any more, a day phase later. I'll see what I can do to get back to you with more.
 
Shadell said:
We should always vote scum, and "I'd vote this player for scum, but POLICY" is actually incredibly scummy, particularly when it's agreeing someone is likely scum but, refusing to vote the likely scum for... reasons.

Like, this kind of hedging is just setting things up to have 'agreed' with the Yun vote when Yun flips without actually supporting it.

IMO, Yun dies today, then when/if Yun flips scum, Meso dies D5.
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I'll be honest, I have had a hard time getting into this game. There is essentially no night analysis to be done and a solid quarter of players aren't interacting by day. If I were scum I wouldn't mind, since my fun would be in avoiding suspicion. But I am town so my fun is in trying to solve the game and find scum, and I don't think that is possible, since there is a big block of nothing happening.

Yun's been playing weird, and sometimes I am pretty sure they are scummy, but then I think about the bizarre interaction with Nictis last game and I wonder what not weird for Yun would look like. That isn't a terribly nice argument to make, but my one sample of town Yun was them playing in what looked like a really irrational, tunneling manner.

I'm not blind, I know my ambivalence toward Yun looks scummy, but I backed off my vote for QT on Day 2 too quickly due to the fact making policy votes feel bad and getting too focused on Rosen. I should have stuck with it, and today seemed to be set up for more of the same.

I've talked about my feelings on inactivity votes in previous games, and this case seemed egregious enough that if I didn't do it this game it would mean I would never carry through. That isn't acceptable to me, even if it means getting voted as a townie.
QTesseract said:
I asked to be subbed out. I've wanted to be active more for this game, but the amount of time i have available on something other than my phone is... low. This hasn't been fair to my townmates, nor has it been good for the game, but as it doesn't seem like a replacement is currently an option, I'll try to at least give something here; an insufficient performance is, at least, hpefully better than none.

There have been, I think, 2 occasions where town should have voted me for inactivity, but did not, and paid for it. There have also been times where town has lynched me for inactivity and should not have. This is qualitatively different from both, though, as it's not a strategy in either direction.
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Nevermind.


[X] Vote Yun
 
We really need to kill scum today, or we are going to be in really bad shape 4. I won't even mind if I get killed off tomorrow if we get scum today, that'll give us enough leeway that my elimination won't be too terribly significant. (I'll try to find scum tomorrow, I am not optimistic about my chances of changing anybody's mind.)
 
@Cyricubed Would you care to expand upon your scum read for meso? I'm not looking for anything specific, but the general gist of your suspicion would be helpful.
 
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So, time to solve the 7 people. Mostly caught up, took a bit to read the 31 pages and decide, but I have something I want everyone to do and I have a reason for it. I'll also be reading their ISO while waiting for responses.

Pick a side on Shalmoa and say why you townread or scumread them.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
So, time to solve the 7 people. Mostly caught up, took a bit to read the 31 pages and decide, but I have something I want everyone to do and I have a reason for it. I'll also be reading their ISO while waiting for responses.

Pick a side on Shalmoa and say why you townread or scumread them.
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Also, still holding to "Give me vague information for a totally real plan I'll explain when I have the data already" is intrinsically scummy AF whether it's Pawn or -Rosen.
 
Shadell said:
Also, still holding to "Give me vague information for a totally real plan I'll explain when I have the data already" is intrinsically scummy AF whether it's Pawn or -Rosen.
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I know. :p

It has to do with potential reasons why Zaelix was the N2 kill. Since I can only really see 3 options, where one of them is already heavily unlikely due to just being too subtle to bank on working over juicier targets.
 
Additionally, it occurs to me that the vote doesn't matter, because the rest of the game will play itself out in a ship of Theseus series of extensions until all sense of meaning is lost and our grandchildren are continuing to cast suspicion in entirely ritualized behavior, all underlying sense of the meaning of which has been lost.
 
Shadell said:
Additionally, it occurs to me that the vote doesn't matter, because the rest of the game will play itself out in a ship of Theseus series of extensions until all sense of meaning is lost and our grandchildren are continuing to cast suspicion in entirely ritualized behavior, all underlying sense of the meaning of which has been lost.
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Who shall be the last plank in the ship though? Who shall be the last elder giving advice and knowing the true reason before they too are replaced and forgotten?
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
So, time to solve the 7 people. Mostly caught up, took a bit to read the 31 pages and decide, but I have something I want everyone to do and I have a reason for it. I'll also be reading their ISO while waiting for responses.

Pick a side on Shalmoa and say why you townread or scumread them.
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Hm. Funny you should ask this, but how extensive of a reply are you looking for?
 
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