KO drugs are almost entirely Hollywood.

There's a reason the person who's job it is to keep you knocked out in surgery is a dedicated role and a graduate degree. That shit is just this side of sorcery.

Turning somebody off, without turning them off forever is an art. The dose between 'still awake', 'out cold', and 'cold as in corpse' is shockingly thin, varies person to person, and even with how the person is behaving. Somebody really stressed out with a lot of Adrenalin can stay up from a dose that would have put them out while calm, and if you hit them with a dose strong enough to put them out, well then they're calm... and now its an overdose and you just crossed that 'out cold' to 'stone cold' line.

They mostly take a long time to kick in too, the movie would have you believe you can tag somebody with a tranq dart and they go down before they can swear about it. In reality it'd take minutes.
This. Very this. Deus Ex had a hilarious take on this—when you shot someone with a tranq dart, they ran around screaming for a while before collapsing (presumably because a fuck off big dart just hit them). Of course, IIRC if you shot them in the head with the tranq dart it would just kill them, because you *shot them in the head* and the tranq darts on impact did the damage like a regular dart.

Whatever nonsense Dr. Weaver is referring to here is absolutely tinkertech, and may well be something made by Alice/Bakuda.
 
Warning: some of the following is really messy...

This. Very this. Deus Ex had a hilarious take on this—when you shot someone with a tranq dart, they ran around screaming for a while before collapsing (presumably because a fuck off big dart just hit them). Of course, IIRC if you shot them in the head with the tranq dart it would just kill them, because you *shot them in the head* and the tranq darts on impact did the damage like a regular dart.
Death turns-out to be a lot less thoroughly final than is traditionally understood. 'Suspended animation' isn't really terribly different from 'dead', in particular if it's indefinite duration. Stopping fungi from starting to eat the suspended, getting the buffering drugs to where they need to be in the cells, all needs careful design.

No heart function? Lowered body temp minimises damage for about an hour. Want longer? Probably want lower temperatures, but more complex revival (people with no heart beat under ice, recovered from cold conditions no heart beat for hours - look it up). Indefinite? Lots of cryonics research is still required.

Drugging people? Making sure you can flush those drugs out, minimising the damage they cause, is critical. Doing excessive damage with the delivery system, say darts, not a good idea.

Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

The 'dead talking heads' bit Dr. Weaver talks of? IRL tech, late 2010s, nearly do-able - unlikely to be a pleasant process for the heads... The ethical bits are truly horrible, of course...

(BTW, want to put people down fast? Might want to start from cyanide, and work your plans back from that to safer stuff. As long as the poison/drug can be flushed-out, possibly by ECMO, with no longer-term damage, dead may not be dead-dead... Of course, get it wrong, and loadsa dead-dead.)
 
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{Interesting details and speculation}

From the described effect, whatever is being done likely is not biological or chemical, basically for the reasons you described.

I can think of multiple ways to do it, the most straightforward being a combination of a stasis effect and a healer. Head trauma and brain damage are the most critical issues—pretty much anything else can be fixed easily enough (as Dr. Weaver measures things).

For head trauma, you then have split paths. If the subject is, in Dr. Weaver's eyes, worth saving, then you could *probably* cobble together something using a post-cog, Cranial, Amy and Riley. If the damage was bad enough you might need personal intervention by Valkyrie.

Significantly, when evaluating personhood Dr. Weaver does not distinguish between digital and biological substrates. She also presumably has adopted the attitude, widely seen in Ward, of not overly worrying about whether someone resurrected or reconstructed via shard fuckery is the same person versus a copy or simulacra.

If Dr. Weaver decides the subject is not worth saving, then the "Max Anders" solution becomes an option, as would the "severed head" option previously mentioned is passing as being used on Dr. Manton.

To be clear, the ethical implications of, well, *all of this*, should be horrifying. I have vague plans to soonish explore *why* Dr. Weaver is doing this, but Lisa's discomfort is not simple squeamishness.
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 8
Note: See correction added at end of note to prior chapter regarding the war crime point, if you are interested in such things there is discussion on SB and SV.

CW: Brief and sanitized references to tools of human trafficking.

With some trepidation, Lisa followed Dr. Weaver into the building, entering via a large hole in the wall rather than one of the doors, all of which were still closed.

It was both better, and worse, than she'd imagined.

Better, in that there were many fewer bodies than she had expected from the volume of gunfire. She didn't need her power to tell her that the targets had been caught badly out of position, no doubt helped by the strike team's casual disregard for things like 'ordinary points of entry' and 'structural damage'.

On closer inspection, she wasn't sure how many of them were even dead. None were moving, true, but they weren't bleeding either, not anymore, and all had an odd shimmer to them suggestive of tinkertech.

On the other hand, the blood, oh god, the blood. So much blood. Even the fucked up gory movies that the boys had watched sometimes didn't prepare her for this. And the cages built into shipping containers, with dirty buckets and cameras and restraints and the stains and oh god, Lisa would never look at a garden hose the same again. Lisa just let her eyes slide over, focused on her breathing, disassociated, and forced down bile.

Also, the precision of it, the ruthlessness. This wasn't 'cops and robbers', or an arrest. This wasn't even a fight, Gesellschaft was so badly outclassed. This was… what did Rachel call it? Putting down a rabid animal?

Then again, these were the same people as had gone after Rachel, or close enough.

Something to think about.

Note: Remember, this Lisa didn't see the cells in Coil's base, or deal with Jack Slash, or see the aftermath of Leviathan, or any of the other parade of horribles in canon.
 
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'rabid'?

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Poor Lisa. I'm sure Dr. Weaver could teach her mental exercises for dealing with situations like this, and 'venting' later... That she learned, knows, those exercises is... arguably unfortunate.

Pity they didn't have a haemokinetic free, to police up all that blood, so it doesn't go to waste... Do it right, and Amy could sort and clean the saved blood, for future ethical uses?
(I always liked the 'blood is ancient seas, we carry around within us' bit...)
 
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Typo fixed in the text! Thank you very much!

Poor Lisa. I'm sure Dr. Weaver could teach her mental exercises for dealing with situations like this, and 'venting' later... That she learned, knows, those exercises is... arguably unfortunate.

Dr. Weaver, no doubt, would be properly horrified if reminded that she had failed to prepare Lisa for this. Sadly, she still does have that pesky problem of conflating this Lisa with her Lisa, and her Lisa at this age had been, oh, much more traumatized.

Pity they didn't have a haemokinetic free, to police up all that blood, so it doesn't go to waste... Do it right, and Amy could sort and clean the saved blood, for future ethical uses?
(I always liked the 'blood is ancient seas, we carry around within us' bit...)

{Takes notes}
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 9
Lisa carefully affixed a marker to another stretch of suspicious baseboard. From the scuff marks, there might be something concealed behind. Although she couldn't see anything like a handle, there was a small indentation that might be used to slip in a screwdriver or similar. Not something she was going to mess with on her own, but certainly worth investigation by someone with less dainty hands!

Of course, what with Gesellschaft, who knew if it was something important, or just some scumbag hiding some ill-gotten gains from his fellows.

Lisa was starting to get back in the groove. She'd acquired a spare comms unit, which gave her a nice background patter, and she'd found several hidden stashes, ranging from cutting edge (false bottom to a safe concealed with tinkertech) to extremely old school (envelope taped to the bottom of a drawer). She'd even found not one but two little black books of contact information!

Also some extremely disgusting photos, but so long as she kept busy she didn't have to think about those. Or the cages. Or the hoses. Or the--

Right! Let's see, time to have another crack at that safe, that should be nice and distracting!

Lisa scurried back toward the office, carefully avoiding the Very Serious Men doing Serious Men Things, and most especially avoiding Bastion's whining to Dr. Weaver about his team and how awesome it was and she should let them come in already, and Lisa was entirely glad to not have to deal with that bullshit. It seemed there were benefits to being considered too junior to notice.

Alec must never know.

Lisa's efforts to preempt the intrusive thoughts were themselves preempted by the muffled sound of a distant explosion. Gunfire followed.

Oni Lee.

Fuck.


"Teeth engaged at outer perimeter," someone said over comms.

Double Fuck.
 
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Of course, what with Gesellschaft, who knew if it was something important, or just some scumbag hiding some ill-gotten gains from his fellows.
Why, Lisa, are you saying that people stupid/hateful enough to buy into such horrible beliefs aren't paragons of virtue with utter dedication to their chosen cause? I'm shocked, shocked I say. /s

It seemed there were benefits to being considered too junior to notice.

Alec must never know.
Vista: You know... I get it now, too.
 
Remember, this Lisa didn't see the cells in Coil's base, or deal with Jack Slash, or see the aftermath of Leviathan, or any of the other parade of horribles in canon.
[NEGOTIATOR] is totally gonna tell Lisa that Dr. Weaver considers all this a relaxing vacation isn't it, after all it's just Gesselschaft and the Teeth. Amateur hour.
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 10
As the chatter of combat comms continued in Lisa's ear, Lisa found Dr. Weaver in a side room, looking at a set of grainy maps laid out on top of a piece of half-rusted equipment.

"Uh…," Lisa began awkwardly, as Dr. Weaver made a notation. "Should we be helping or something?"

Dr. Weaver raised an eyebrow.

"Them?" Lisa corrected, gesturing minutely toward the armed men moving with purpose in the main room. "Bastion? Someone?"

"Coil and the Elite may be allies of convenience but they don't train together," Dr. Weaver observed clinically. "Better to give them clear and distinct taskings."

"The Elite have outer perimeter," she continued, "but if pressed hard will fall back. Then, once the Teeth have moved forward to engage Coil's men at the inner perimeter, the Elite will counterattack from the flanks and rear."

"… just a probing attack," someone said on comms. "Stay alert for—"

"Contact!" Another voice broke in.

"Cape sightings?" Dr. Weaver asked, breaking into the channel.

"Negative."

As the back and forth continued, Lisa took Dr. Weaver's pencil and began updating the map. It was harder than it looked, keeping track of everything on comms while making the annotations.

Normally, she would have thought it beneath her, but now?

Anything to keep her mind busy.
 
Self-Improvement (Non-Canon)
Note: Too long for an end of chapter note, too funny to not share. Double update, so make sure you see the other bit I just posted (which is today's "official" update)

Future!Lisa: You updated the map!

Young!Lisa: Hey! It was interesting! I'd read about it in the training manuals but I'd never done it before! It's harder than it looks! And I was, uh, it was part of my cover! That's what newbies do, right?

Future!Lisa: Humph. Fine, but don't make a habit of it.

Young!Lisa: Besides it was to keep Dr. Weaver from doing it?

Future!Lisa: Oh, that's different then. Girl works too hard.

Future!Aisha: {Without looking up from her coffee} Oh my goooood Tats just kiss the girl already you ain't neither of you getting any younger.

Young!Lisa: WHAT!

Future!Lisa: Not you, it's this thing she jokes about with me and, uh, Weaver
 
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That's what newbies do, right?Future!Lisa: Humph. Fine, but don't make a habit of it.
Probably want a paragraph break adding?

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I... don't understand the Future!Lisa teasing. Who else might be involved/being referred too. She is shipping Young!Lisa and Young!Taylor??? Commenting on someone else doing so??? Dunno.
 
Probably want a paragraph break adding?

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I... don't understand the Future!Lisa teasing. Who else might be involved/being referred too. She is shipping Young!Lisa and Young!Taylor??? Commenting on someone else doing so??? Dunno.

Typo fixed in the text! Thank you very much!

Aisha is shipping old!Lisa and old!Taylor. Or, at this point, more like teasing Lisa that they basically skipped the "young and horny" phase of their relationship and went straight to "adopt a bunch of kids, be scarily competent lesbians together and take over the world halp the heroes"
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 11
Lisa was in a flow state, monitoring comms while updating the map. She didn't know the 'official' way of doing it, well not enough to do it quickly, but even if no one else could read the notations Lisa was making, they were good enough for her.

For Dr. Weaver too, from her body language.

Then the realization hit Lisa like a thunderbolt. We missed something, there's something or someone still here.

"Elaborate," Dr. Weaver said in firm tones that were somehow both polite and an irrefusable order.

Oh, I said that aloud, didn't I?

Lisa shook her head and gestured vaguely at the map. "The shape of the Teeth probes. There is something still here, or someone. Something or someone they want to get before we do."

"Is this you or your power?" Dr Weaver asked, without looking away from the map.

"Yes? Both? I see it and Power is sending me agreeable vibes even if he isn't saying anything."

"Show me."

"Uh, well, if you look here, at this corner, that's the first..." The resulting explanation was garbled and, to Lisa, mortifying, but Dr. Weaver nevertheless began nodding along with increasing confidence until she held up a hand and toggling her comms.

"I need another sweep of," the older woman said, looked at the map, "Buildings 11 and 19."

Huh. Now that Dr. Weaver had said it, Lisa could see how the Teeth's efforts were focused on those buildings.

"Separately," Dr. Weaver continued, "I need a team for a breakout, we will be feinting exfiltration of a priority package."

Changing channels, Dr. Weaver continued. "Coil, Weaver."

Lisa blanched, both gratified and horrified that she could only hear one side of the conversation.

"We need dual pathing for this," Dr. Weaver was saying. "We have a chance to bait out Teeth heavies. Cash risk bonuses will be reimbursed."

Note:
Dr. W: The map wasn't as easy as you thought?
Lisa: No comment.
 
Animal Adventures, Part 24
"Amy Amy Amy!"

"Yes, Vicky," Amy grumbled, behind her boxes and bags. "I hear you, now can you get the door for me?"

"Oh, sure!" Vicky said, holding open the door as Amy navigated carefully inside. "Whatcha got?" Vicky asked, moving around just enough Amy didn't feel comfortable trying to set anything down for fear that her sister might go right through it in her enthusiasm.

"Pet store stuff. Started out as just new scratching posts because they keep wrecking theirs for, uh, reasons, but then there were these adorable catnip toys, and I got to talking with the helper, so…" Amy shrugged, then scrambled to avoid dropping anything as the movement upset the balance of her stack.

A streak in her peripheral vision told her that Chekov had at some point also joined the backdoor pile-up, before extricating himself at speed at her instability.

Vicky laughed. "Who knew that the trick to get you shopping was the pet store."

"Vicky, no, I know that tone of voice, and—"

"Is that a bird feeder?" Vicky interrupted.

"Yeah? Figured it might be cool to check out some birds too, now that I've been doing mammals for a while."

"Neat!" Vicky replied, continuing to block Amy's progress in her enthusiasm.

In fact, she was being just a bit too effective at it…

"So," Vicky continued cheerily, "I got the latest concept art for flying book girl from Lisa, and she also said you still hadn't gotten back to her, so I helpfully printed it all out!" She held up a folder and pen.

Amy gave her sister a flat look. "Vicky," she said slowly, "I don't have hands right now."
 
In fact, she was being just a bit too effective at it…

"So," Vicky continued cheerily, "I got the latest concept art for flying book girl from Lisa, and she also said you still hadn't gotten back to her, so I helpfully printed it all out!" She held up a folder and pen.

Amy gave her sister a flat look. "Vicky," she said slowly, "I don't have hands right now."

Vicky is Halping.
 
Vicky needs assistance from a super? How about Cat-a-pult, who has the power to levitate cats! Surely that could be incredibly useful!

LoSRH - Cat-a-pult intro. See earlier strips for the growing cat-astrophy.
League of Super Redundant Heroes is... a webcomic. Artwork develops over time.
 
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Harbor Offensive, Part 12
"Guess it's not that big a deal after all," Amy said smugly.

"I don't understand!" Vicky said, furiously typing on her phone. "I told her it's important."

"Mreeeeow?" Chekov contributed, pawing at the instructions for the disassembled birdfeeder.

"Don't worry," Amy replied, gently nudging Chekov out of the way. Again. "I'm sure she'll remember you soon enough."

"I'm going to call her again," Vicky said firmly. "Don't worry, Amy, we'll get you your merch!"

Amy rolled her eyes. "I think she thought I was talking to her," she whispered to Chekov conspiratorially.

Chekov tapped her nose in response.

"Hi, Lisa, I have you on speaker!"

"What is this emergency?"

"I finally got Amy to agree to the collaboration, she's right--" Vicky began, before stopping with a huff. "She hung up! Rude!"

"Maybe she's at work?"

Elsewhere

Lisa resisted the urge to throw her phone across the room. Here she was, all worried, at Vicky blowing up her phone for what the texts said was 'time sensitive!' and 'important!!!', and it was just the marketing thing. Sure, money, but Lisa kind of had other things going on.

"Team ready to depart," Dr. Weaver said into her comms, as sporadic gunfire continued in the distance. "Coil, when you're ready."
 
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Good update, thanks for sharing!

"Mreeeeow?" Checkov contributed, pawing at the instructions for the disassembled birdfeeder.

"Don't worry," Amy replied, gently nudging Chekov out of the way. Again. "I'm sure she'll remember you soon enough."

"I'm going to call her again," Vicky said firmly. "Don't worry, Amy, we'll get you your merch!"

Amy rolled her eyes. "I think she thought I was talking to her," she whispered to Checkov conspiratorially.

Chekov tapped her nose in response.
Chekov is the Star Trek character. Whichever way you spell it, this is one cool, and yes, very helpful, cat.

"I finally got Amy to agree to the collaboration, she's right--" Vicky began, before stopping with a huff. "She hung up! Rude!"

"Maybe she's at work?"
Missing your closing quotes.

Lisa resisted the urge to throw her phone across the room. Here she was, all worried, at Vicky blowing up her phone for what the texts said weas 'time sensitive!' and 'important!!!', and it was just the marketing thing. Sure, money, but Lisa kind of had other things going on.
And an opening half-quote for the texting examples.
 
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