KO drugs are almost entirely Hollywood.

There's a reason the person who's job it is to keep you knocked out in surgery is a dedicated role and a graduate degree. That shit is just this side of sorcery.

Turning somebody off, without turning them off forever is an art. The dose between 'still awake', 'out cold', and 'cold as in corpse' is shockingly thin, varies person to person, and even with how the person is behaving. Somebody really stressed out with a lot of Adrenalin can stay up from a dose that would have put them out while calm, and if you hit them with a dose strong enough to put them out, well then they're calm... and now its an overdose and you just crossed that 'out cold' to 'stone cold' line.

They mostly take a long time to kick in too, the movie would have you believe you can tag somebody with a tranq dart and they go down before they can swear about it. In reality it'd take minutes.
This. Very this. Deus Ex had a hilarious take on this—when you shot someone with a tranq dart, they ran around screaming for a while before collapsing (presumably because a fuck off big dart just hit them). Of course, IIRC if you shot them in the head with the tranq dart it would just kill them, because you *shot them in the head* and the tranq darts on impact did the damage like a regular dart.

Whatever nonsense Dr. Weaver is referring to here is absolutely tinkertech, and may well be something made by Alice/Bakuda.
 
Warning: some of the following is really messy...

This. Very this. Deus Ex had a hilarious take on this—when you shot someone with a tranq dart, they ran around screaming for a while before collapsing (presumably because a fuck off big dart just hit them). Of course, IIRC if you shot them in the head with the tranq dart it would just kill them, because you *shot them in the head* and the tranq darts on impact did the damage like a regular dart.
Death turns-out to be a lot less thoroughly final than is traditionally understood. 'Suspended animation' isn't really terribly different from 'dead', in particular if it's indefinite duration. Stopping fungi from starting to eat the suspended, getting the buffering drugs to where they need to be in the cells, all needs careful design.

No heart function? Lowered body temp minimises damage for about an hour. Want longer? Probably want lower temperatures, but more complex revival (people with no heart beat under ice, recovered from cold conditions no heart beat for hours - look it up). Indefinite? Lots of cryonics research is still required.

Drugging people? Making sure you can flush those drugs out, minimising the damage they cause, is critical. Doing excessive damage with the delivery system, say darts, not a good idea.

Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

The 'dead talking heads' bit Dr. Weaver talks of? IRL tech, late 2010s, nearly do-able - unlikely to be a pleasant process for the heads... The ethical bits are truly horrible, of course...

(BTW, want to put people down fast? Might want to start from cyanide, and work your plans back from that to safer stuff. As long as the poison/drug can be flushed-out, possibly by ECMO, with no longer-term damage, dead may not be dead-dead... Of course, get it wrong, and loadsa dead-dead.)
 
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{Interesting details and speculation}

From the described effect, whatever is being done likely is not biological or chemical, basically for the reasons you described.

I can think of multiple ways to do it, the most straightforward being a combination of a stasis effect and a healer. Head trauma and brain damage are the most critical issues—pretty much anything else can be fixed easily enough (as Dr. Weaver measures things).

For head trauma, you then have split paths. If the subject is, in Dr. Weaver's eyes, worth saving, then you could *probably* cobble together something using a post-cog, Cranial, Amy and Riley. If the damage was bad enough you might need personal intervention by Valkyrie.

Significantly, when evaluating personhood Dr. Weaver does not distinguish between digital and biological substrates. She also presumably has adopted the attitude, widely seen in Ward, of not overly worrying about whether someone resurrected or reconstructed via shard fuckery is the same person versus a copy or simulacra.

If Dr. Weaver decides the subject is not worth saving, then the "Max Anders" solution becomes an option, as would the "severed head" option previously mentioned is passing as being used on Dr. Manton.

To be clear, the ethical implications of, well, *all of this*, should be horrifying. I have vague plans to soonish explore *why* Dr. Weaver is doing this, but Lisa's discomfort is not simple squeamishness.
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 8 New
Note: See correction added at end of note to prior chapter regarding the war crime point, if you are interested in such things there is discussion on SB and SV.

CW: Brief and sanitized references to tools of human trafficking.

With some trepidation, Lisa followed Dr. Weaver into the building, entering via a large hole in the wall rather than one of the doors, all of which were still closed.

It was both better, and worse, than she'd imagined.

Better, in that there were many fewer bodies than she had expected from the volume of gunfire. She didn't need her power to tell her that the targets had been caught badly out of position, no doubt helped by the strike team's casual disregard for things like 'ordinary points of entry' and 'structural damage'.

On closer inspection, she wasn't sure how many of them were even dead. None were moving, true, but they weren't bleeding either, not anymore, and all had an odd shimmer to them suggestive of tinkertech.

On the other hand, the blood, oh god, the blood. So much blood. Even the fucked up gory movies that the boys had watched sometimes didn't prepare her for this. And the cages built into shipping containers, with dirty buckets and cameras and restraints and the stains and oh god, Lisa would never look at a garden hose the same again. Lisa just let her eyes slide over, focused on her breathing, disassociated, and forced down bile.

Also, the precision of it, the ruthlessness. This wasn't 'cops and robbers', or an arrest. This wasn't even a fight, Gesellschaft was so badly outclassed. This was… what did Rachel call it? Putting down a rabid animal?

Then again, these were the same people as had gone after Rachel, or close enough.

Something to think about.

Note: Remember, this Lisa didn't see the cells in Coil's base, or deal with Jack Slash, or see the aftermath of Leviathan, or any of the other parade of horribles in canon.
 
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'rabid'?

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Poor Lisa. I'm sure Dr. Weaver could teach her mental exercises for dealing with situations like this, and 'venting' later... That she learned, knows, those exercises is... arguably unfortunate.

Pity they didn't have a haemokinetic free, to police up all that blood, so it doesn't go to waste... Do it right, and Amy could sort and clean the saved blood, for future ethical uses?
(I always liked the 'blood is ancient seas, we carry around within us' bit...)
 
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Typo fixed in the text! Thank you very much!

Poor Lisa. I'm sure Dr. Weaver could teach her mental exercises for dealing with situations like this, and 'venting' later... That she learned, knows, those exercises is... arguably unfortunate.

Dr. Weaver, no doubt, would be properly horrified if reminded that she had failed to prepare Lisa for this. Sadly, she still does have that pesky problem of conflating this Lisa with her Lisa, and her Lisa at this age had been, oh, much more traumatized.

Pity they didn't have a haemokinetic free, to police up all that blood, so it doesn't go to waste... Do it right, and Amy could sort and clean the saved blood, for future ethical uses?
(I always liked the 'blood is ancient seas, we carry around within us' bit...)

{Takes notes}
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 9 New
Lisa carefully affixed a marker to another stretch of suspicious baseboard. From the scuff marks, there might be something concealed behind. Although she couldn't see anything like a handle, there was a small indentation that might be used to slip in a screwdriver or similar. Not something she was going to mess with on her own, but certainly worth investigation by someone with less dainty hands!

Of course, what with Gesellschaft, who knew if it was something important, or just some scumbag hiding some ill-gotten gains from his fellows.

Lisa was starting to get back in the groove. She'd acquired a spare comms unit, which gave her a nice background patter, and she'd found several hidden stashes, ranging from cutting edge (false bottom to a safe concealed with tinkertech) to extremely old school (envelope taped to the bottom of a drawer). She'd even found not one but two little black books of contact information!

Also some extremely disgusting photos, but so long as she kept busy she didn't have to think about those. Or the cages. Or the hoses. Or the--

Right! Let's see, time to have another crack at that safe, that should be nice and distracting!

Lisa scurried back toward the office, carefully avoiding the Very Serious Men doing Serious Men Things, and most especially avoiding Bastion's whining to Dr. Weaver about his team and how awesome it was and she should let them come in already, and Lisa was entirely glad to not have to deal with that bullshit. It seemed there were benefits to being considered too junior to notice.

Alec must never know.

Lisa's efforts to preempt the intrusive thoughts were themselves preempted by the muffled sound of a distant explosion. Gunfire followed.

Oni Lee.

Fuck.


"Teeth engaged at outer perimeter," someone said over comms.

Double Fuck.
 
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Of course, what with Gesellschaft, who knew if it was something important, or just some scumbag hiding some ill-gotten gains from his fellows.
Why, Lisa, are you saying that people stupid/hateful enough to buy into such horrible beliefs aren't paragons of virtue with utter dedication to their chosen cause? I'm shocked, shocked I say. /s

It seemed there were benefits to being considered too junior to notice.

Alec must never know.
Vista: You know... I get it now, too.
 
Remember, this Lisa didn't see the cells in Coil's base, or deal with Jack Slash, or see the aftermath of Leviathan, or any of the other parade of horribles in canon.
[NEGOTIATOR] is totally gonna tell Lisa that Dr. Weaver considers all this a relaxing vacation isn't it, after all it's just Gesselschaft and the Teeth. Amateur hour.
 
Harbor Offensive, Part 10 New
As the chatter of combat comms continued in Lisa's ear, Lisa found Dr. Weaver in a side room, looking at a set of grainy maps laid out on top of a piece of half-rusted equipment.

"Uh…," Lisa began awkwardly, as Dr. Weaver made a notation. "Should we be helping or something?"

Dr. Weaver raised an eyebrow.

"Them?" Lisa corrected, gesturing minutely toward the armed men moving with purpose in the main room. "Bastion? Someone?"

"Coil and the Elite may be allies of convenience but they don't train together," Dr. Weaver observed clinically. "Better to give them clear and distinct taskings."

"The Elite have outer perimeter," she continued, "but if pressed hard will fall back. Then, once the Teeth have moved forward to engage Coil's men at the inner perimeter, the Elite will counterattack from the flanks and rear."

"… just a probing attack," someone said on comms. "Stay alert for—"

"Contact!" Another voice broke in.

"Cape sightings?" Dr. Weaver asked, breaking into the channel.

"Negative."

As the back and forth continued, Lisa took Dr. Weaver's pencil and began updating the map. It was harder than it looked, keeping track of everything on comms while making the annotations.

Normally, she would have thought it beneath her, but now?

Anything to keep her mind busy.
 
Self-Improvement (Non-Canon) New
Note: Too long for an end of chapter note, too funny to not share. Double update, so make sure you see the other bit I just posted (which is today's "official" update)

Future!Lisa: You updated the map!

Young!Lisa: Hey! It was interesting! I'd read about it in the training manuals but I'd never done it before! It's harder than it looks! And I was, uh, it was part of my cover! That's what newbies do, right?

Future!Lisa: Humph. Fine, but don't make a habit of it.

Young!Lisa: Besides it was to keep Dr. Weaver from doing it?

Future!Lisa: Oh, that's different then. Girl works too hard.

Future!Aisha: {Without looking up from her coffee} Oh my goooood Tats just kiss the girl already you ain't neither of you getting any younger.

Young!Lisa: WHAT!

Future!Lisa: Not you, it's this thing she jokes about with me and, uh, Weaver
 
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That's what newbies do, right?Future!Lisa: Humph. Fine, but don't make a habit of it.
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I... don't understand the Future!Lisa teasing. Who else might be involved/being referred too. She is shipping Young!Lisa and Young!Taylor??? Commenting on someone else doing so??? Dunno.
 
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I... don't understand the Future!Lisa teasing. Who else might be involved/being referred too. She is shipping Young!Lisa and Young!Taylor??? Commenting on someone else doing so??? Dunno.

Typo fixed in the text! Thank you very much!

Aisha is shipping old!Lisa and old!Taylor. Or, at this point, more like teasing Lisa that they basically skipped the "young and horny" phase of their relationship and went straight to "adopt a bunch of kids, be scarily competent lesbians together and take over the world halp the heroes"
 
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