[X][Afternoon] Visit the Zoo!
[X][Willpower] Spend Zero
Don't want to spend willpower on visiting the Council Building
[X][Willpower] Spend Zero
Don't want to spend willpower on visiting the Council Building
Get Jinxed: A Tale of Mental Instability and Poor Decisions (Arcane/League of Legends)
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It is however a characterization choice that has Powder be looking back home as opposed to something that can be taken as her turning her back on where she comes from that doesn't have the sheer issues of going to the Council Building sans Willpower
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Indeed. My write in was written with the intentions besides my incorrect assumptions about willpower. Specifically it's targeted at the other side of the pilt issue. In the write in action, Powder would be so something the QM has confirmed she would enjoy while presumably attempting to demonstrate that she is thinking about her family by trying to signal them with fire works, presumably ones with her and Vi's hair colors.
It doesn't solve powders own worries, but it has the potential to reassure her she hasn't forgotten about her family without putting herself into a situation of interfering with the cessation of the current standoff, which could see her blaming herself for it dragging out, however irrational. Powder is fully capable of convincing herself she "Jinxed it" if she goes to the council meeting and has an outburst. Do we really want to risk Jinx increasing to -4?
The Zoo and my write in aren't riskless, but they involve less direct involvement for Powder with the actual outcome of the stand off, making it harder for her to feel she Jinxed it at least.
It doesn't solve powders own worries, but it has the potential to reassure her she hasn't forgotten about her family without putting herself into a situation of interfering with the cessation of the current standoff, which could see her blaming herself for it dragging out, however irrational. Powder is fully capable of convincing herself she "Jinxed it" if she goes to the council meeting and has an outburst. Do we really want to risk Jinx increasing to -4?
The Zoo and my write in aren't riskless, but they involve less direct involvement for Powder with the actual outcome of the stand off, making it harder for her to feel she Jinxed it at least.
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I'd prefer success on the roll, and agree that we're unlikely to convince the council of anything and will probably cringe word vomit on a failure. I do think a failure is mostly fine though. Even if it's cringe word vomit, I don't expect anything to really convince the council, and caring enough about the issue that you can't help talking about it is still a potentially interesting character beat for Powder. Like, right now we've got an issue that's essentially that Powder is worried that she's a traitor to Zaun, if she shouts at the Councilors it might help with convincing herself she's not a traitor, even if it's not great rhetorically.
Still, success is probably better than failure but I don't think failure is bad enough here that it's worth expending resources on. Especially since I could see some hard rolls coming up, either in rejoining Vi and trying to make up for our fight, or something like that.
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Yes, but powder may irrationally blame herself if the stalemate drags on, convincing herself she Jinxed it into happening by going and yelling at the councilors. Better to not risk the Jinx issue worsening even if she manages to feel better about having Pilties she's closed to in the event of a success. We can target issues in other ways.
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I'm not voting to go to the council hoping for a failure which incidentally could help us on an issue. I would prefer Powder be choosing to be active in the situation to at least gather information rather than sit back and wait for... what? Mrs. Kiramman to tell us it's okay to go home now I guess? That feels too passive for me and all the "have fun" options seem to be encouraging us to build an ability to stick our head in the sand about things.
The fireworks idea seems better to me than the other fun options, but it still seems like a half-measure.
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It is a half measure, because no full measure is going to accomplish anything other than powder feeling better about having done something and all of them would involve a level of direct interaction with the situation that in the event of a typical powder outburst, she likely blames herself when the situation remains unresolved for another day and decides she jinxed it.
By taking a safe half measure Powder can at least avoid worsening her issues about Vi and other side of the pilt while avoiding putting herself in a good position to assign blame to herself if she fails a roll as a part of the situation continuing.
On second thought, does this quest allow approval voting? Because I'd like to put in one for firework, but I don't want council to win.
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"If I do something I'll just jinx it" was exactly the thought process we (by which I mean Powder in-update, not us as questers) had when the jinx issue got worse, so inaction being a safe course of action to avoid issues worsening doesn't seem true.
Having fun while Vi is in trouble seems like the kind of thing that could worsen the "Other Side of the Pilt" issue, since those are the options that bring up that issue.
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ColdGoldLazarus
Contrary Quester, Spreadsheet Queen, Pink Flamingo
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- Challenger Deep
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I'm taking it as a reference to some of Jinx's old lore from before Arcane, (and her music video,) where one of her early crimes before escalating into outright terrorism was releasing a bunch of dangerous animals from the zoo to cause chaos in Piltover. Obviously Powder isn't ready for that yet lmao, but it feels like setup for such a beat later on. And normally I'd be down for that kind of seeding, but...
Yeah, this is pretty much where my head's at right now on this vote. I'd prefer a success, but a failure wouldn't be catastrophic and might help offset some guilt about hunkering down with the Kirammans during this mess.
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Yeah I got the reference, it just seems contradictory on the object level. Like, we're voting to be more willing to stick our head in the sand & try to have fun in Piltover so that we can set up a callback if we future release a bunch of dangerous animals to cause chaos in Piltover?
It kinda works if we are expecting to fail, to not have fun at the zoo, and then later expecting a big event where the contacts we've made get totally burned and we end up close to canon!Jinx (or even pre-Arcane canon!Jinx). But I kind of think in a quest we ought to vote for the person we want to be, not the person we don't want to be on the assumption that there's going to be some big uncontrollable event where we have a massive about face.
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I'm not arguing for inaction I'm arguing for measured action. I'm arguing to to do something that won't resolve powders need for information but will at least make her feel like she is at least doing something, even if it's just trying to let her siblings know she is alright.
Except my action doesn't have us do that, it has us focus on them in a way that isn't directly interacting with the situation. The fun is a neat side effect, with the focus on signalling to our family that we are all right, so powder can reassure herself she hasn't forgotten about them.
Do we know that failure doesn't lead to anything Catastrophic? None of us were expecting finishing mouser bombs to ultimately culminated in a shouting match with Vi that worsened that particular issue.
I'd say if Powder goes and causes a scene, it's quite simple for her to blame herself about it if the stalemate continues. Maybe I'm wrong about which trait worsens, but overall, the idea that the council meeting of all options is a low stakes acceptable sort of failure is just wishful thinking in my opinion. We know there can be more to consequences than the single line written, especially for a middle of an ark vote. Treating it as insignificant is just fool hardy.
I want powder to be the kind of person who picks her fights as ones she can effect. To me this is powder distracting herself until she has a better chance of actually learning what's going on, rather than rushing into an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar people as an audience, and then potentially blaming herself for unrelated things that follow because she messed up when it was important.
If powder goes in there, loses it about whats actually happening and gets removed from the room before she can even ask about her family, that's going to hit her harder than if she didn't even try.
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[X][Afternoon] Visit the Zoo!
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Honestly my worry would be she finds someone actually willing to respond. Someone, who is an adult and likely able to run rhetorical rings around her to the point she legit starts wondering if she's wrong. But yeah probably realistically she "just" embarrasses herself and worsens a trait or two.
Gonna be real, I'd prefer the cringiest political word vomit over continuing the quest trend of Powder deciding she shouldn't give a fuck. "oh the Enforcers might be murdering sis and Vander like they did mom and dad? eh. CUTE ANIMAL TIME." Genuinely no fucking thank you.
Also I know most people dont wanna waste willpower on Zoo but holy shit is the thread really more willing to spend Willpower to suck up to the Kirammans than for Jynx to find out about her sister?
Hm that's convincing.
[X][Afternoon] Head to the Council Building
[X][Afternoon] Head to the Council Building
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People looked at the consequences and decided This is fine . Let's save that willpower for choices whose consequences sound worse later on.
Little less hostility thank you very much. I tried at a clever in character write in that was acceptable to take and potentially fail but wasn't doing nothing. People favor an all or nothing approach instead -shrug-.
Also it's not powder deciding she shouldn't give a fuck. It's powder deciding a room full of Pilties won't give a fuck about her learning about her family so she should try to pass the time until she can learn from the Kiramman's at the end of the day. This is an incredibly poor take on what powder is thinking. surpasses even her own in quest episodes of unreasonable self judgement.
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You should vote on spending a willpower or not.
If it looked like people were willing to spend will on this I'd be right there voting for council but that seems unlikely. We go to them and fail we won't even be resolving the issue we went there to deal with. Unless we get a hail Mary roll.
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Approval voting is fine.
That's definitely how I see the various 'try to have fun' options for Powder in the next update. It's not that she doesn't care about her family, but that she feels overwhelmed by a situation that's so much bigger than her, and helpless to do anything to change it. At the end of the day she's just one eleven (and three-quarters) year-old girl in the middle of a bunch of massive forces. Trying to sneak out would end in her getting caught, the Enforcers certainly aren't going to do anything to help a Zaunite orphan, and why would the Council even give her the time of day? Even if she's softened her stance on some individual people within Piltover, she's still pretty understandably distrustful of Piltover's institutions.
At least trying to do something else makes a nice distraction from moping about a situation she can't do anything to fix. Though trying to do something, even if it won't work, is also a valid character choice, naturally.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of them could run rhetorical rings around us and be convincing to themselves and most of the people hearing them that they were much more convincing. I'd be pretty surprised if they could be convincing to us - all the Turning Point: Piltover talking points in the world doesn't unbreak Ancalet's arm or heal Viktor's lungs or bring our parents back.
People aren't willing to spend will on this because the consequences of blowing half our resources away on a joy-trip to the zoo are way worse than those of a kid loosing her calm while asking for news of her family stuck in a gang war.
If it looked likely that the council vote would win I would vote for using willpower, but when the odds seems to be about fifty-fifty I'm not taking the risk of wasting half our resources.
[X][Afternoon] Visit the Zoo!
[X][Afternoon] Buy some fireworks and set them off where someone in Zaun will see.
[X][Willpower] Spend Zero
Well then don't mind if I do.
[X][Afternoon] Head to the Council Building
[X][Willpower] Spend Zero
[X][Willpower] Spend Zero