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Get Jinxed: A Tale of Mental Instability and Poor Decisions (Arcane/League of Legends)

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Kelenas said:
Does anyone else think that Jinx would get an absolute kick out of starting to use engineering euphemisms to mess with people? Or at least certain figures, like many of the Piltover Councillors?
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Definitely sounds like something Jinx would do.

Storyteller said:
And it's complicated because part is that it's not just "Able to pull weight".

I stand by what I said earlier that the offer to adopt is kinda meaningless on the emotional front with the Kirammans if it actually means something. And all signs point that to the Kirammans - emotionally Jinx is family.



There's a reason why despite Jinx being so very Jinx that people still associate her with the Kirammans - or at least Cassandra. I know a mother daughter pair. There is no actual blood relation between the two but since the family doesn't broadcast that the first wife died and there was a remarriage - the social consensus in the town is mother daughter. Seeing resemblances in appearance. But the two act like mother and daughter.

Jinx in some ways is more like Cassandra than Caitlyn. Just with a very Zaun & Jinx & Rebel flare and orientation of priorities. The nature of what it takes to do infrastructure that helps Zaun means politics. How much Cassandra and the Kiramman's do their donations to help people or to build soft power, or rather the percentage of the ratio is unknown. But there is a similarity in method - down to being completely okay with shooting someone in the right circumstance.




Given that shooting Mel could spark a war with Noxia if I remember right with her being from there... Yeah, this sequence is likely not a joke really except for Mel seeing it as such a bad idea that it must be a joke.

I'm less sure of how blatant it is to other people that Cassandra (and the implication of the rest of the Kirammans) probably would go very far for Jinx because Mel is rather good at this.



So Jinx naturally focused on her emotional side of things with the offer and thinking about what it'd mean for her everyone she lost in Zaun. But it does mean that she didn't look at the implications of things.

1. Yeah - remember Mel saying that Cassandra would shoot her? Cassandra absolutely would. The fact that this was unspoken means that Jinx really does not get that Cassandra at least believes every word she is saying here that Jinx already is a part of the family.

2. The fact that the Council saw correcting the record as overcomplicating things portrays it rather decidedly that unofficially Jinx is seen as a Kiramman. Again see how she and Cassandra are similar and the differences are... not minor, but can feel in the range of how one generation differs from the next.

3. Jinx is honestly kinda more frequent a visitor to Council Meetings than her narration implies going by how her name being needed for the upcomong meetings is just assumed. Or it could just be her and me underestimating just how few people show up so anyone showing up repeatedly counts as showing up often.

4. That incident probably is what put it into perspective for Cassandra as to how the dynamic has developed - and yeah she is nervous because trying to make the offer without seeming to erase Jinx's history. (Cassandra doesn't understand a lot of things from Zion, but she does understand that Jinx cares. And that is good enough to know to try and be careful).



Also here - Kiramman doesn't even acknowledge the "Kicking me to the curb" bit.

The discussion had with Jinx is very much...

Here is the situation, here is the implications with the council (not happy, but understanding about being put on the spot for the visit of Zion in genreal. Very much disgruntled about the Firelights being used as security), here are the wider implications.

It's... Well it's the House Head talking to a younger member in regards to the political situation, pointing out nuances and giving their read on it. It's a "Be Careful" with circles around points of concern and with reasons for that concern explained.

Like I said before - if the offfer of adoption on the emotional level for the Kirraman's means anything the legality of the situation must mean nothing.

For Jinx it's a lot more complicated and will be decided at the time of the actual vote I think. (I really do hope that Jinx gets a chance to talk about it even a little bit with Ekko.)

Now social/politically that is where the major implications are. Because yeah - Jinx is demonstratively not trading on the Kiramman name. She can trade on her own just fine.

The big thing is basically having the Kiramman's more visibly in her corner. Mel understands it intuitively but it is useful to as they say "Say it again for those in the back".

In Zaun this has downsides - the question (and why I want to talk to Ekko) is how much the perception downsides are already baked in. Jinx is already being assumed to be a Kirraman anyways. It being unofficial might not be enough to spare her that.

Elsewhere... yeah, going after the youngest daughter of a major House/Family of Piltover who happens to also be a Hextech inventor sounds like a much worse idea than going after one of the Hextech Inventors connected to a major House/Family of Piltover.

Within Piltover/Outside Piltover & Zaun - Its the difference being an asset that is to be targeted/stolen to weaken the Kirramans/Piltover. Or being an asset but also one that will obviously bring problems if caught doing so or attempting to do so.

As for implications for Zaun - again depends on how much of that is already baked. And the nature of that stuff because Jinx has been doing clean water (which would probably be kinda public as something the Kirammans were supporting) and talking with the Firelights. If the PR stuff with the Firelights go well...

I said before that right now Jinx is basically trying to balance ties to both sides of the river.

Cassandra I think kinda stated one of the things with Jinx. She's moving forward - but that doesn't mean erasing or forgetting where she came from. I actually think we might be hitting that balance.
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Great analysis in general.

Jinx's fears of getting kicked out or having the adoption offer rescinded are much more a product of her insecurities and issues than rational. She's got some hefty abandonment issues after losing two sets of parents.
 
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Chengar Qordath said:
Great analysis in general.

Jinx's fears of getting kicked out or having the adoption offer rescinded are much more a product of her insecurities and issues than rational. She's got some hefty abandonment issues after losing two sets of parents.
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And since LoL exists in anime land where there are no Therapists she cannot work her issues in a healthy and safe way...

Besides that @Chengar Qordath Just to be sure... How long until Jinx graduates and becomes a Senior Academy Inventor?

I am asking because apparently, Piltover Academy is basically an Engineering Faculty, and if she has already been studying that for 4 years (while being one of the best ones) she should be close to finishing, not to mention that all her work in Hextech these 4 years is like several PhDs crammed into one...
 
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Storyteller said:
The fact that the Council saw correcting the record as overcomplicating things portrays it rather decidedly that unofficially Jinx is seen as a Kiramman. Again see how she and Cassandra are similar and the differences are... not minor, but can feel in the range of how one generation differs from the next.

3. Jinx is honestly kinda more frequent a visitor to Council Meetings than her narration implies going by how her name being needed for the upcomong meetings is just assumed. Or it could just be her and me underestimating just how few people show up so anyone showing up repeatedly counts as showing up often.

4. That incident probably is what put it into perspective for Cassandra as to how the dynamic has developed - and yeah she is nervous because trying to make the offer without seeming to erase Jinx's history. (Cassandra doesn't understand a lot of things from Zion, but she does understand that Jinx cares. And that is good enough to know to try and be careful).
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It's also indicative of the status quo that is developing in which the councilors perceive Jinx as the person there more likely to be working with in the future than Caitlyn. Jinx has proven willing to step up, has an impressive academic Performance accompanied with fashion tastes they can dismiss as youthful rebellion. This is something they like to encourage, especially given Caitlyn herself favors entering a dangerous profession which the person she is emulating in pursuit of said profession died in. Better to embrace the spare stepping up than the wandering off course daughter.
Torgamous said:
Just decided to start a reread, and it did not take long to find a fun complication for the adoption issue.

Jinx has kind of the opposite problem from Powder. She's already proving that she can pull not just her own weight but also a decent chunk of the rest of Zaun, and now she has to decide how much she wants to be attached to an adult.
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Becoming "Just powder, worth something in her own right" was something of a childish notion. Just like being Vander's kid never stopped mattering or Vi's sister, powder was never going to completely shed her roots. Even if people started to think that messing with powder was a bad idea, the fact that you were messing vi too would always be second in there minds even if it became first.

If we read the first part of the current arc, we see that Jinx has fashioned herself a persona in Piltover. She's not just Jinx who can get a job done. She's Jinx, someone who can change the city if she puts her mind to it, and she does this in part by living up to the Kiramman's expectations at least somewhat. Whether Jinx is formally adopted or not, that probably isn't going to change in anyone who cares in the first place eyes, but being adopted or not has significance to jinx.

It probably has significance to Caitlyn too. If we were going to babysit her drunk ass, it might even come up in conversation. Actually it definitely does given Vi is one of those issues contributing to the malus. The point is that Jinx embraced the Kiramman's as her guardians, and now, four years later, the question of whether to embrace them as parents has come up.

What Jinx decides will either draw some boundaries or open up further relationship progression, but it in the end, how Jinx is seen will change little. Salo of all characters sees Jinx as someone important enough to be indulged and lightly ribbed over her end of the year school prank. Signed adoption papers or no it'll take a lot for that to change.
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
And since LoL exists in anime land where there are no Therapists she cannot work her issues in a healthy and safe way...

Besides that @Chengar Qordath Just to be sure... How long until Jinx graduates and becomes a Senior Academy Inventor?

I am asking because apparently, Piltover Academy is basically an Engineering Faculty, and if she has already been studying that for 4 years (while being one of the best ones) she should be close to finishing, not to mention that all her work in Hextech these 4 years is like several PhDs crammed into one...
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Jinx has had a very unconventional academic career, since she had no formal education before entering the Academy. When it comes to subjects like math or engineering she's advanced for her age, and between her intuitive grasp of the topic and sharp mind she absorbs new information quickly.

On the other hand, she was very lacking in terms of her broader education. Pre-timeskip Jinx wouldn't have known anything about Demacia or even been able to find it on a map, only had basic literacy, and so on. Which means her education with the Kirammans was a weird mix of highly advanced engineering and mathematics with remedial catch up classes on other topics.
 
Chengar Qordath said:
Jinx's fears of getting kicked out or having the adoption offer rescinded are much more a product of her insecurities and issues than rational. She's got some hefty abandonment issues after losing two sets of parents
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Okay I'm curious as to how long it'll take for things to click for Jinx.

... I'm going to be extremely amused if a consequence of the creation of:

Chengar Qordath said:
Friendship is Experimental Magitech Weaponry
Locked Behind Refined Hexgems
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And Cassandra being alive, in a healthy relationship with Jinx, things going down is Cassandra giving prerequisites of:
- Having access to the workshop (booby traps means no access)
- Weaponry being stored there versus on Jinx,/being used

Means that Weaponry gets borrowed. But I'm someone that would find the less combat heavy characters picking the lock because the powder barrel exploded and they all know Jinx has the good stuff and she's not around to ask permission from so they'll just ask forgiveness when they find her as hilarious.

Randino Treviani said:
It's also indicative of the status quo that is developing in which the councilors perceive Jinx as the person there more likely to be working with in the future than Caitlyn. Jinx has proven willing to step up, has an impressive academic Performance accompanied with fashion tastes they can dismiss as youthful rebellion. This is something they like to encourage, especially given Caitlyn herself favors entering a dangerous profession which the person she is emulating in pursuit of said profession died in. Better to embrace the spare stepping up than the wandering off course daughter.
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There's dark humor in the Hextech innovator being seen as the possible heir with a safer career.

But good points as to the ramifications of Jinx being the person that goes with Cassandra to the meetings. Which puts another angle on Cassandra's impromptu political breakdown. It may still be going over Jinx's head but Cassandra recently got hit with the fact that yeah, the rest of the Councilors are seeing and acting with Jinx as her youngest daughter and likely heir yeah really important to point out political realities.

Also a whole additional layer to her being tapped for Lux. Diplomat's teenage daughter of a similar age is an excellent teeth cutting opportunity.

Randino Treviani said:
Becoming "Just powder, worth something in her own right" was something of a childish notion. Just like being Vander's kid never stopped mattering or Vi's sister, powder was never going to completely shed her roots. Even if people started to think that messing with powder was a bad idea, the fact that you were messing vi too would always be second in there minds even if it became first.
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Like how Cassandra won't stop bringing her rifle to shoot an adult creeping on teenage Jinx ward or adopted.

Chengar Qordath said:
Abandonment
Severity: -3
"I've lost too many people who matter to me. Never again.
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The Other Side of the Pilt
Severity: -1
"Having Piltie friends doesn't make me a traitor to Zaun, does it?"
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Randino Treviani said:
The point is that Jinx embraced the Kiramman's as her guardians, and now, four years later, the question of whether to embrace them as parents has come up.

What Jinx decides will either draw some boundaries or open up further relationship progression, but it in the end, how Jinx is seen will change little
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Which is why I really hope there's an opportunity for Jinx to talk to Ekko. The change is meaningful to Jinx but very little will be different otherwise. What was true before will remain true and if Jinx talks about it to Ekko we'll probably get indicators if taking the adoption would be a Sidegrade of less abandonment more Other side of Pilltover.

Well or negation of the second half of that.

I don't think Ekko would see it as a betrayal. It is through that connection that Jinx got clean water for Zaun and she rescued him and Benzo by bringing help from the other side of the river.

Chengar Qordath said:
Hanging with the Firelights
Ekko and Benzo are up to something down in Zaun. Something Jinx could help out with, even if she's not living in Zaun full time. Plus she could use the opportunity to bring Ekko up to speed on what Hextech is and how it works, and see if he has any ideas of his own
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This and the hex crystals also synergize most likely. Throw in Jinx putting up the Firelights as security? If things go well in Zaun they get the PR of bringing food and legitimacy likely. If they get treated as a controlling/authentic organization they are one.

And that's without the fact that Jinx Kiramman probably sounds like an excellent idea to anyone concerned about the ventilation stuff being on the Piltover side of the river. Best case is ventilation on the Zaun side but until then having someone from Zaun with current ties as an inheritor of Cassandra is fairly good even without Caitlyn having her heart set on joining the Enforcers or the risk of her dying young.
 
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If we didn't have Lux here, I'd be down for the punch... Next time : )
 
Ekko definitely knows how to help Jinx put her thoughts in order. No one better for that.

Something hasn't really been discussed is the fact that because we went with a Zapper, Jinx has just been playing it off as a Hexgem powered tool, so no one even knows she's making weapons to disapprove of. It's a very interesting angle to have taken to avoid having her access to certain materials closed off.
 
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