I actually really liked that episode. I can't think of anything to complain about right now.

Okay I tell a lie, I cackled like a drunken old prospector when Tommen did his running swandive out the window.

But still.
 
Oh wow, I can't believe I forgot that. How the fuck has anyone sworn loyalty to her, since she obviously just murdered Lord Tywin's only remaining brother? Why the fuck were all those Lannister Mooks (And presumably some Westerner lords) kneeling?

She just set everyone who previously dared oppose her on fire, and has an gigantic murderous monstrosity following her every command. Who's going to object?
 
I actually really liked that episode. I can't think of anything to complain about right now.

Okay I tell a lie, I cackled like a drunken old prospector when Tommen did his running swandive out the window.

But still.
Honestly

Now, Watching Tommen trying and failing to be an Assassin is pretty damn funny but at that moment. I was still going "HOLY SHIT SHE BLEW UP EVERYONE." and it just made the Holy shit meter rise even further.
 
Sooooo...

How much do we want to bet that George is kicking himself that he dallied around so long for The Winds of Winter?

'Cos I'm sure he is, in many ways. Subtle, this writing and plot twists are not. :V
 
Map zmerc made on SB showing the general situation.


White - The Nights King
Grey - King in the North Jon Snow
Light Grey - Nights Watch (Nominally loyal and allied with King Jon against the White Walkers but officially neutral)
Red - Queen Cersei Lannister (nominally both the Riverlands and the Stormlands remain under her control however she really only holds sway in the Westerlands and Crownlands)
Black - Queen Daenerys Targaryen (you can safely conclude both the Reach and Dorne have declared for Daenerys after the scene with Varys)

Though Iron Islands is sort of a mixed bag with Euron claiming allegiance to Dany but offering far different terms then Yara

 
So on reflection, while the season has had its ups and downs, and I will post more about that later, this episode was almost flawless. Just a couple of things brought it down (and they're minor things really).

I don't know if this is the best episode of the entire series, but I do know it's the best episode of this season, and it has my now favourite scene in the entire show.
'Promise me Ned.' Made me misty-eyed.
 
Sooooo...

How much do we want to bet that George is kicking himself that he dallied around so long for The Winds of Winter?

'Cos I'm sure he is, in many ways. Subtle, this writing and plot twists are not. :V

Honestly, I have no idea what GRRM will do.

He can't change too much of the plot and he's talked about just letting it go when people figure stuff out (like R+L=J) and not fiddling with it just to shock people, but now he has a plot that will totally resemble his work but will be just subtly different enough that it'd go another way in the books.

I think the episode was amazing at what it wanted to do. Quite frankly, I think the show can't do certain things in certain ways, which is where GRRM and the novel format would come into play. But..how can he, if the show basically finishes and preempts most of his writing?

I don't think he'll ever get it finished tbh. If the show ends on a bang and not a Penny Dreadful-esque whimper I'd put even more money on that.
 
Map zmerc made on SB showing the general situation.
I'm not sure the Riverlands should be colored right now. I don't even think they're under Cersei's control even nominally, now that Walder's dead and chaos is back.

I'm pretty sure most of the lords there might outright declare for Jon starting next season. Especially if the Blackfish somehow survived. Heck, even if he isn't alive Edmure's got pretty much all the cards right now and doesn't really have any reason to feel particularly kindly towards the IT. I'd figure he'd be rebelling soon now that Jaime (along with most of the Lannister army IIRC) are gone.

Edit: Now spoiled for spoilers.
 
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Pretty much my opinion of episode ten.

[21:52:46] <+Apocal> I have now seen
[21:52:56] <+Apocal> the greatest of thrones
[21:53:24] <+Apocal> people got thronesed to fuck
[21:53:30] <+Sarpedon> lol
[21:53:36] <+Sarpedon> so how amazing was it Apocal
[21:55:04] <+Apocal> sarp
[21:55:09] <+Apocal> it was thrones at its highest
[21:55:17] <+Apocal> there was thronesing all over hte place
[21:55:24] <+Apocal> it was like a bukkakke of twists
[21:55:27] <+Apocal> all over my face'
[21:55:32] <+Apocal> running down my skin


Spoilerific anecdotes:
1. When me and my brother started watching, I immediately said, "Hah, Cersei looks like Darth Vader now." I didn't think much of the reference until I realized she was basically Empress Palpatine and quite literally a Star Destroyer. And her coronation was like some fucked-up evil version of the end of A New Hope.

2. Should have known that killing the first girl to ever fuck Tommen, right in his prime emo years and literally before his very eyes would have led to him taking a leap of faith. I did not see any of that shit coming though. It was so matter of fact and so perfect. He reacted exactly like I'd expect a sensitive dude with a wife he loved dearly and newfound religion to react to some shit like that. It was like, BOOOOOOM and there goes his entire world up in flames, almost literally.

3. Margery proved she was very well-equipped to play the game. Too bad the doormen were like, "Nah, you take this L." But I'm surprised the High Sparrow, for all his fucking wisdom and skill in playing the game, didn't think his cunning fucking plan all the way through.

4. Lady Lyanna Mormont basically stood up and went down the line, snatching people's manhood before throwing them on the ground. "...whose name is Stark!" Get wreckt, oathbreakers. Then they all come together in the northern equivalent of a group hug. Swords up gents, Winter is Coming.

5. Other than that, very powerful scene between Davos, Jon and the Red Woman. You can literally see Jon torn between justice as he knows it and gratitude towards her. That was some fucking raw quality right there, particularly the line about a god who tells you to burn little girls.

So...Anyone up for Pie?
Frey got Rat King'ed so hard it made the noodle soup I was eating taste bad.
 
And that Jamie is why you tell people about the jars of Wildfire hidden around the city. So crazy people can't use it to blow shit up.
 
Hey, he told Tyrion, and Tyrion did not remove it when he was Hand.
He was sort of busy. However it was 17 years between him killing the mad king and the Septsplosion and apparently he figured the whole thing would just work itself out. Also I'm seriously wondering do Varys and Littlefinger have teleporters? Either that or all of Planatos smaller than your average sized open world RPG.

Also a few questions:

How is Cersei queen? What sort of line of succession is that?

Why did Bran go back to the Tower of Joy? What relevance does that have to him at that moment?

If the Wall can stop the army of the dead no problem what threat do the White Walker's pose?

Where did Arya learn to change her face? I don't remember her getting that lesson in the House of Black and White.

Also can Cersei be called the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms when 5 of them are in open revolt?
 
He was sort of busy. However it was 17 years between him killing the mad king and the Septsplosion and apparently he figured the whole thing would just work itself out. Also I'm seriously wondering do Varys and Littlefinger have teleporters? Either that or all of Planatos smaller than your average sized open world RPG.

Also a few questions:

How is Cersei queen? What sort of line of succession is that?

Why did Bran go back to the Tower of Joy? What relevance does that have to him at that moment?

If the Wall can stop the army of the dead no problem what threat do the White Walker's pose?

Where did Arya learn to change her face? I don't remember her getting that lesson in the House of Black and White.

Also can Cersei be called the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms when 5 of them are in open revolt?
Cersei is queen because her son was the king and after him, there are no other heirs, because the various book-options don't exist (for example, various cousins of the Baratheons, like the Estermonts).

Though its probably not any line of succession, just Cersei acting as Lady of the Rock and straight up usurping the throne because she is the only one with a military in place. She's effectively queen of the Westerlands, King's Landing, the Riverlands and whatever of the Stormlands bothers accepting her. The queen of Westeros, she is clearly not.

As for Bran: plot. Because they teased us with it all season and now could'nt even let us hear the words, just infer from their choice of shots what the meaning is. Because D&D are cunts.

As for the Wall: Well, again, that's stupidity at work. Either the WW have a way of getting through and we have'nt seen it, or its the Night King's mark on Bran that will break the magic, in which case GOOD GOD, the Three-Eyed Raven is a retard.

As for Arya, we saw her do it when she killed Meryn Trant.
 
Also as good as this episode was I think I figured out a better title, Cutting down the Casting Budget. I guess they're feeling a need to cut a few costs.
 
As for Bran: plot. Because they teased us with it all season and now could'nt even let us hear the words, just infer from their choice of shots what the meaning is. Because D&D are cunts.
It was all but verbally confirmed by someone walking onto the screen saying 'Yes, this is Jon Snow.'

Remember: this is D&D being 'subtle' :V
 
As for the Wall: Well, again, that's stupidity at work. Either the WW have a way of getting through and we have'nt seen it, or its the Night King's mark on Bran that will break the magic, in which case GOOD GOD, the Three-Eyed Raven is a retard.
Did we ever hear about the Horn that Mance was looking for in the show?

But yeah, I'm betting on Bran. That voyeuristic little shit looks like he can't leave well enough alone. He'll probably poke the Night King again.
 
It was all but verbally confirmed by someone walking onto the screen saying 'Yes, this is Jon Snow.'

Remember: this is D&D being 'subtle' :V
But... we're already seeing this from the POV of a all-seeing, soon all-knowing Greenseer.

Why the need for subtlety? Why not just confirm a theory that has existed for 20 goddamn years? Why drag it out for another season until its spelled out, for the slow ones among the TV-only fans?
 
Because we still haven't met Howland Reed

Because Bran still needs to communicate with Jon about it

Because the story isn't over

Because Jon and Dany still need to unknowingly meet up and fuck and have surprise incest

Because the theory is confirmed in a really unsubtle fashion and if people don't get it I literally don't even
 
Well, perhaps this will make up for the pure rage that was the battle last episode.

I mean seriously, the north is supposed to be in bad shape by then, and yet ramsay somehow has the only professional army in westeros? (Seriously, we've never seen any force coordinate with that degree of uniformity except the unsullied and their basically cribbing from fantasy rome that westrosi armies lack the solhistication of) WTF?

Bolton Phalanx is bullshit.
 
Honestly, I have no idea what GRRM will do.

He can't change too much of the plot and he's talked about just letting it go when people figure stuff out (like R+L=J) and not fiddling with it just to shock people, but now he has a plot that will totally resemble his work but will be just subtly different enough that it'd go another way in the books.

I think the episode was amazing at what it wanted to do. Quite frankly, I think the show can't do certain things in certain ways, which is where GRRM and the novel format would come into play. But..how can he, if the show basically finishes and preempts most of his writing?

I don't think he'll ever get it finished tbh. If the show ends on a bang and not a Penny Dreadful-esque whimper I'd put even more money on that.

We have to remember that the show is following the main plot outlines that George has given them, but doing it in their own way while streamlining stuff. Hence Yara and Theon taking their uncle's place in going to Essos.

Benjen being coldhands, The sand snakes ruling in place of Doran etc.

So what se see in the show might not happen in the books exactly, or if it does in the books it will be different.

Since the show has killed off many characters that are still alive in the books.

Plus D&D might be doing what they are doing on purpose to keep some of GRM's other twists he has in mind from getting out before he wants them to.

As for the episode itself we have all seen.



Went as well as to be expected, the people we knew were going to die died.

So many have died at this point that any death barely registers with me.

Called it on Varys turning up in a sunny place.

R+L=J routine move on does nothing for me when it comes to Jon.

Enjoyed Walder's death, I'm going to miss David Bradleys performance as him, he has been one of the show's most delightful sources of loving to hate.

I expect to see Euron and Cersei next season doing something, it's the only way they can tie him into anything at this point.

They have a lot of work to do to make him feel like a threat, since his two appearances this season had nothing of the creepy factor he has in the books.

Night king, meh after six season and still not at the wall, why should we care about the threat he and the white walkers pose?

Superb acting from Liam as Davos tonight, he nailed his scene with Jon and Melisandre.

Well, Mel no doubt is going south and cross paths with Arya, Sandor and the Brotherhood at some point.

I doubt we have seen the last of Esso's at this point, otherwise what would be the point of the high priest earlier in the season.

Not to mention Jorah still looking for the cure.

Well I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see Bran fly yet. I'm assuming it's coming next season.

You know I keep wondering why Sansa and Jon haven't mentioned to each other they know Bran's alive.

Since he in the rule of law would be ahead of the two In the line of succession. I wonder if this will be a plot point in season 7.

Dany and Tyrion stuff, okay but just there to fill time I feel.

Liked the scene at the citadel, great face acting from the magister and the music was spot on.

Actually all of the music was spot on in this episode, props to Ramin for a stellar job as always.

Will miss Margery and Mace, the latter's actor nailed his facial dialogue this episode at Lora's trial.

The grey sunken cunt is gone, ironically I think near the sept of balor. Matching what he told Tywin in his deleted scene in season 3 of returning to the dirt and being near flowers.

I wonder if Benjen might turn up in the tell-tale game of thrones series considering what the north grove is. Hence why we haven't heard anything of season 2 yet.

All in all a impactful episode in terms of death. But the tension I feel has gone from the show and next season will need to bring it back to make the events work.
 
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Well, perhaps this will make up for the pure rage that was the battle last episode.

I mean seriously, the north is supposed to be in bad shape by then, and yet ramsay somehow has the only professional army in westeros? (Seriously, we've never seen any force coordinate with that degree of uniformity except the unsullied and their basically cribbing from fantasy rome that westrosi armies lack the solhistication of) WTF?

Bolton Phalanx is bullshit.
It isn't really. The Westeros armies have always been disciplined, and surprisingly we haven't actually seen Westerosi armies fight on the battlefield. And the Bolton foot are literally the only northern forces that bled the least during the War of Five Kings. Roose was in cahoots with the Lannisters for awhile and had always marched his forces the furthest away from enemy forces. He would always use other house troops to buffer against his own.
 
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