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From Stone to the Stars

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[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Social Unity
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In pictures, demonstrating the proper ways to live.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In full, as well as the People could commit it to stone.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations.
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
[X] [Gov] The People should deffer now to a single leader.
[X] [Record] In full, as well as the People could commit it to stone.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy
 
[X] [Gov] The People should deffer now to a single leader.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations.
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy
 
[X] [Gov] The People should deffer now to a single leader.
[X] [Record] In full, as well as the People could commit it to stone.

[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations.

[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
Japanime said:
Uhhhh...what? I'm pretty sure the origins of the Ember Eyes has them being founded in the Fingers. After all, the Ember Eyes as a Holy Order were founded after one brave warrior from the Fingers helped defend the settlement from the Hundred Bands who had attacked it. Turn Ten was named after it, and as seen by the settlement tab, the Shrine of the Ember Eyes is within The Fingers.





I mean that's what it sounds like to me, but without writing I'm curious as to how exactly we will prevent the stories from being distorted too much so that some of the original details and meanings are lost.



Yeah, I figured as much as we likely still haven't advanced far enough to have an advance form of law.

However, wasn't the original reason for the creation of the Code of Law the fact that Priit was dealt an injustice in the first place by a whole new law we made up whole cloth to punish him?

My view is that I would rather we create a rough and rigid code of law set in stone with balance and justice for all as its centerpiece, than have a mutable oral law where the stories and laws themselves may be too open to interpretation which allows those in power to exploit it, thus creating another situation like what happened to Priit. After all, stories change all the time and I would rather get writing now while we still can.
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Oral stories, specifically origin myths or way of life tales, are preserved extraordinarly well in oral tradition.

History is ephemeral yes, but the big stories once agreed upon, can pass down so well that the wording itself remains unchanged for millenia, resulting in generations that hear the story but can't understand half of it duo to linguistic drift.

The sheer significance and sacred status of the stories ensure that story tellers are mandated to retell it in extreme accuracy.
Now what the story exactly means is always open to debate, and in case of splits and great migrations, additions or changes can be found in the story, although the story itself remains largely intact.
(such tales also create a drive towards the development and advancement of poetry)

Prominent examples are turkic stories, such as the Dede Korkut, the Arabic epics such as the tale of Antara and various others.

Hell such stories where the main glue holding much of the Tribal cultures(veneration of blood ties not withstanding) , as they provided a common identity and expectations of conduct.

(The Arab tribes identify kin tribes by tracing Tribal poetry until they reach a common lineage poem, the fact that such poems remain largely identical in two geographically separated illiterate communities despite the passage of millenia, is quite telling)
 
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[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Social Unity
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.

Yeah, by uplifting all people we can hopefully prevent the forming hard caste systems that have the possibility to bring internal strife if the ruling class is an actual minority.
Also arrow lake can eat a dick, they're arrogant, let's set our beasts on them.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy

I like this, makes a lot of sense, more so with the balance of people core and the single leader gov vote making it so corrupt or incompetent leaders are smacked down by those with power when they realize said leader is corrupt or incompetent to a dangerous degree if his people are revolting, or showing grievance towards said leader, and as such, as a whole make them look bad. With the recorded law in stone would mean any laws we come up with can be debated and fixed in the future, its very stable and best in our time period to have. It could evolve to a commonly written language for our civilization in the future.

Edit: I changed my vote to what it is now.
 
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[X] [Gov] The People should deffer now to a single leader.
[X] [Record] In full, as well as the People could commit it to stone.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy​
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations
zac1 said:
[X] [Gov] The People should deffer now to a single leader.
[X] [Record] In full, as well as the People could commit it to stone.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy

I like this, makes a lot of sense, more so with the balance of people core and the single leader gov vote making it so corrupt or incompetent leaders are smacked down by those with power when they realize said leader is corrupt or incompetent to a dangerous degree if his people are revolting, or showing grievance towards said leader, and as such, as a whole make them look bad. With the recorded law in stone would mean any laws we come up with can be debated and fixed in the future, its very stable and best in our time period to have. It could evolve to a commonly written language for our civilization in the future.
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If you want law that can be debated and fixed, go for metaphor; Alegorical law frameworks are AMAZING at adaptation. If we write down the specifics then we won't be able to alter a single word of the law without defacing our temples.
 
[] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.

This vote could lead to even more problems, now we got massive groups of murderous big mans with family tides or other connections with hunters or warriors further splitting up people within a settlement and thats just one settlement, till one big man is the one on top of a mound of corpses and no one in the settlement wanting to stand up against said person, and thats just the one settlement. This could lead to civil war among the people if one leader tries to subjugate another settlement under his name.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy
 
zac1 said:
[] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.

This vote could lead to even more problems, now we got massive groups of murderous big mans with family tides or other connections with hunters or warriors further splitting up people within a settlement and thats just one settlement, till one big man is the one on top of a mound of corpses and no one in the settlement wanting to stand up against said person, and thats just the one settlement. This could lead to civil war among the people if one leader tries to subjugate another settlement under his name.
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Thats why we should promote unity and the balance of people to even it out.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.

Something that at least tries to be applicable equally to the rulers as well as the people is a big step, and it'd be lucky if we got it this early in the game.
 
I wonder if we'll get anything extra for the unity behind the [Ask] vote. I know some quests do that.
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Social Unity
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
The problem with going with this vote, imo, is that it cuts into our elitism too heavily. We need the best of the best, in addition to not causing internal strife. It's a fine line to walk, but I think we're falling too far on the side of communalism, which could lead to the best being tamped down. Anyone have thoughts on that?

[] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[] [Core] Balance of People
 
[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] On Behalf of Future Generations
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy
 
Cariyaga said:
The problem with going with this vote, imo, is that it cuts into our elitism too heavily. We need the best of the best, in addition to not causing internal strife. It's a fine line to walk, but I think we're falling too far on the side of communalism, which could lead to the best being tamped down. Anyone have thoughts on that?

[] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[] [Core] Balance of People
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I'm less worried about specifically not having enough elitism, and more about having the internal contradiction at all. Either elitism will erode the values our laws are based on, or the law will erode elitism, and we don't want to lose either law or elitism . And if they ARE balanced, then I call attention back to this;
Redium said:
You're roughly balanced right now (Flat Arrow Outlook, I Want To Be The Very Best, and Wondrous World are most weighted) but that's actually a bad thing. A completely balanced society is one where Values are competing, confused. You want a society that have a specific direction because that promotes unity and shared understanding. The more closely aligned your values are, the fewer cultural problems you'll have.
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We don't WANT a cultural contradiction; we will be more stable if we steer down one clear path at a time.
 
With some consideration due to our vast distances from one another our settlements are at, it be best if we have many big man collecting power at each settlement, then have one leader who can only get things done near the seat of power and having to travel weeks to reach any other settlement.

Keeping the balance vote tho.
 
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[X] [Gov] The People's rulers should build ties within themselves so that they no longer fight for power.
[X] [Record] In metaphour, understood best through study and understanding.
[X] [Core] Balance of People
[X] [Ask] Bring it, boy.
 
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