I'm still holding a grudge for your attempted cheating in a certain other quest, you cheating cheater who cheats.



Just as a warning to everyone going for Authority: your insta-win button can be foiled by them not being able to hear you. If you mind-control people too often, word will get around and they'll start using hearing protection.

Well, yeah. Our rightful subjects can hardly carry out their orders if they don't receive those orders, after all. :p

Luckily, reality itself is one of our loyal subjects, so we'd still have a few options open...
 


I'm still holding a grudge for your attempted cheating in a certain other quest, you cheating cheater who cheats. (Seriously though, I can't. Just swapped to a phone.)



Just as a warning to everyone going for Authority: your insta-win button can be foiled by them not being able to hear you. If you mind-control people too often, word will get around and they'll start using hearing protection.
1.) And that's two. Rule of Three says one more before you have to let it go or start being in the wrong.

2.) Hearing Protection! I command you to not impede my voice!
 
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Question: How much control over people does Authority grant? Is it simply 'You must make me a sandwich', or can we do stuff like memory erasure; 'You must make me a sandwich then forget that I commanded you to do so'?
 
Question: How much control over people does Authority grant? Is it simply 'You must make me a sandwich', or can we do stuff like memory erasure; 'You must make me a sandwich then forget that I commanded you to do so'?

You can't make them perform actions which they are ordinarily incapable of doing, so no memory-erasure.

That's when you restort to a two-by-four. :p

(In all seriousness, that probably wouldn't actually work either)
 
Fools! The power of Authority sways you from the true path! It gives it's orders, attempting to send you into darkness! Select Upgrade, and we shall be victorious!

Upgrade our ability to magically throw fireballs!
Upgrade our ability to magically command other people!
As our enemies' faces are insufficiently on fire! Upgrade the fieriness of their faces!
Upgrade our ability to do Science!

By the power of trollish logic twisting, I declare this argument valid! Upgrade the level of agreement the other questers have with me!
 
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Fools! The power of Authority sways you from the true path! It gives it's orders, attempting to send you into darkness! Select Upgrade, and we shall be victorious!

Upgrade our ability to magically throw fireballs!
Upgrade our ability to magically command other people!
As our enemies' faces are insufficiently on fire! Upgrade the fieriness of their faces!
Upgrade our ability to do Science!

By the power of trollish logic twisting, I declare this argument valid! Upgrade the level of agreement the other questers have with me!

A trait has to be present for it to be upgraded in the first place, even if that "upgrade" can twist the original trait beyond nearly all recognition. You can't throw fireballs to begin with, so you can't upgrade your ability to do it.

Probably. I'd be impressed if someone came up with an argument for why it's just an improvement on an existing trait.

Either way, that would count as "upgrading a power," so it's a moot point.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Probably not worth all that work when you could just upgrade a flamethrower, though.


You might be able to manage setting their faces on fire via exploitation of blushing and/or anger.


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Upgrading things needs to have a train of reasoning explaining why a given outcome is better than what came before. You merely thinking it would be better for your purposes is insufficient; it needs to fulfill one of more of the originally-intended purposes of an object.

As such, you can't directly upgrade a stick into a laser cannon even if you would prefer it to be the latter. You can turn a gun into a better gun without needing to resort to strange trains of thought, though.

...This is very difficult to explain. Examples might work better; I'll put a few up in a bit. Phone is slowing things down.


1: => Walls are intended to block things from getting through.

=> Doorways are holes in walls and let things get through.

=> This invalidates the purpose of walls.

=> Therefore, a door that stays shut would be an improvement over one that can open. Upgrade.
 
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A trait has to be present for it to be upgraded in the first place, even if that "upgrade" twists the original trait beyond nearly all recognition. You can't throw fireballs to begin with, so you can't upgrade your ability to do it.

I defy your logic and reason! My fireball throwing level is simply zero for the moment. I shall defeat this challenge, even if I have to hold lava, upgrading my ability to throw said lava to the ability to throw an infinite amount and not be burned by it! NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!
 
You can't throw fireballs to begin with, so you can't upgrade your ability to do it.

I hate to do this when it helps an opposing group's argument but I think we technically could.

-upgrade ability to produce heat via friction
-upgrade flammability of dead skin cells
-upgrade ability to throw flaming bits of dead skin at people
-some other upgrades for cosmetic appearances and other miscellaneous bits i didn't think of offhand
Voila!
 
A trait has to be present for it to be upgraded in the first place, even if that "upgrade" can twist the original trait beyond nearly all recognition. You can't throw fireballs to begin with, so you can't upgrade your ability to do it.

Probably. I'd be impressed if someone came up with an argument for why it's just an improvement on an existing trait.


Either way, that would count as "upgrading a power," so it's a moot point.
Throwing fireballs? How pedestrian: Upgrade the ability to move air to the ability to throw balls of air (alternatively, just use ballons). Upgrade our ability to heat things (from body heat). Throw balls of plasma.
 
Just do it the Mustang way and upgrade the flammability and volatility of the air around your target until it spontaneously explodes. Or improve the ability of the gases in the air around them to form molecular bonds until they're trapped in solid nitrogen/oxygen blocks. Or upgrade the ability of their lungs to resist impacts until they lose all elasticity and their alveoli collapse and they asphyxiate. Killing people is not the problem with any of these powers, unless we come up against others in our weight class regularly. Coming up each time with new, original, and creative ways to non-lethally defeat them is much harder.
 
A trait has to be present for it to be upgraded in the first place, even if that "upgrade" can twist the original trait beyond nearly all recognition. You can't throw fireballs to begin with, so you can't upgrade your ability to do it.

Probably. I'd be impressed if someone came up with an argument for why it's just an improvement on an existing trait.

Either way, that would count as "upgrading a power," so it's a moot point.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Probably not worth all that work when you could just upgrade a flamethrower, though.


You might be able to manage setting their faces on fire via exploitation of blushing and/or anger.


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Upgrading things needs to have a train of reasoning explaining why a given outcome is better than what came before. You merely thinking it would be better for your purposes is insufficient; it needs to fulfill one of more of the intended purposes of an object.

As such, you can't upgrade a stick into a laser cannon even if you would prefer it to be the latter.

...This is very difficult to explain.
Upgrading our ability to generate heat as a function of our cells. Then upgrade our ability to transfer heat. Maybe upgrade our ability to not be burned by things as well, for required-secondary-powers purposes.

Two steps. Big ones, but very simple.
 
I made a thing.
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Justice Lord landed at the entry to the bank, after confirming with the police that he had arrived, he slowly strode into the facility.

A report from a concerned citizen had placed the new Villan 'Simon' as the responsible party for this henious crime, and Frederick "Justice Lord" Goldstein was here to lay down the law.

As he laid his eyes on the scene, he immediately found the teenaged boy who had decided to ally with the forces of chaos and depravity. The child was dressed in a smart red and white pinstriped suit, with a rather odd looking top hat, managing somehow to look like a strange mix between Waldo and Cat in the hat, truly did villany have no sense of style.

"Halt foul evildoer, your short lived and pathetic spree of wrong doing will be no more, for I, Justice Lord, has arrived to hold court!".

The teenaged boy did not look that impressed...

"Simon says act like a snail"

Egad! Just as he finished that line, he and everyone else in the room laid down on the ground and started wriggling around slowly.

"Foul Feind, unbewitch me this instant!"

The boy still looked unimpressed. And infact said so in an incredibly boorish manner.

"Man, I heard you were pathetic, but I really underestimated just how innefective you really are... Giving me the advantage just like that, as if you knew what I could do, and thought you could just run right over me like a scrub, seriously shame on you."

The boy picked up his illgotten loot, leaving me to inefectually flail in his direction, suddenly he turned aroumd, a smirk on his face like the very fires of hell.

I suddenly had a forboding feeling in my gut, surely the lad would not torture his fallen opponent?

"Justice lord cannot stop thinking about penis"

NO. NONONONONOOOOOOOO-----
 
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Upgrading things needs to have a train of reasoning explaining why a given outcome is better than what came before. You merely thinking it would be better for your purposes is insufficient; it needs to fulfill one of more of the originally-intended purposes of an object.

"I'm throwing flash paper, and everyone knows bigger explosions are better, it's a scientific fact! as such, I shall upgrade my flash paper to produce flamethrower sized blasts of heat."
 
You can't make them perform actions which they are ordinarily incapable of doing, so no memory-erasure.

That's when you resort to a two-by-four. :p

(In all seriousness, that probably wouldn't actually work either)
BUT! We are capable of commanding inanimate things, soo...

Brain Cells, Do not record anything that happens for the next five minutes to long-term memory.

Authority is more versatile than upgrade, as it allows practically any effect, you just have to aim it correctly. (for instance, if you want to be invisible, just order light to bend around/ignore you. fireball? order the air to ignite in the area you want).

We could be one of the most effective villains ever, not only do we have have one of THE greatest mind controlling powers available, but we also have a powerful shaker ability that allows the manifestation of an almost infinite range of abilities within our zone of influence. (Someone found out how our power works and started wearing earmuffs? Order the earth to swallow them up. or the earmuffs to amplify your voice (or go for a walk)) it is almost literally non-counterable since any counter could be worked around by simply asking the counter to stop working. (The exception is being caught by surprise, but that is why we have teammates and a mother who is a wiz (hah) at building magic-items to protect us.
 
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As such, you can't upgrade a stick into a laser cannon even if you would prefer it to be the latter.
Well...a stick's purpose is to facilitate the transfer of material (including sugar/energy). A laser cannon clearly is more effective at transferring energy than a stick. (+some intermediate steps I skipped).

[X] Upgrade

INSANE TROLL LOGIC GO
 
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I think one thing to keep in mind is that he's doing this for (our and his) entertainment. So entertaining shenanigans (e.g. KRAKATHOOM!) are more likely to be acceptable and non-irritating, as compared to a non-funny attempt with the same degree of twisted logic.

This whole post started out as me trying to make a joke about maintaining the correct ham-to-cheese ratio in our upgrades...
 
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