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Alivaril said:
However, the Beyond will have a harder time mustering any sort of popular response if you're using it offscreen, IE at home and away from other people; Upgrade has subscriptions disabled. So if you use it at home, it'll probably take them longer to find out.
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Hmmm. The balance would be that we might not be able to do much with it while we're at home... is that actually the case? I guess that this particular bit of brokenness doesn't actually depend on having huge stocks of high-tier resources, does it? We just wouldn't be able to use anything we built because eventually someone would notice that we seem to have way more Upgraded items than we should.

How much longer is "longer", and how much bonus Upgrading could we get done in that time compared to how much we could get done before getting hit with the nerf-bat if we tried to take the entire workshop with us?
 
Alivaril said:
Three times is where they put their foot down since they do possess basic pattern recognition
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The funny part is that a good portion of it seems to have nothing to do with powers so much as mom's training and this:
Alivaril said:
"...Fiiine. She's like, the kind of girl who plays with game mechanics until she finds a bug, exploits that bug, and then uses it to set the entire beautifully-crafted castle-slash-maze that you spent hours making on fire! For no good reason! I mean, okay, it was a death trap that could give Crypt of Terrors a run for its money, and setting it aflame did accomplish her objective,
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mastigos said:
The funny part is that a good portion of it seems to have nothing to do with powers so much as mom's training and this:
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Aside: that never actually happened; Celes was just screwing with him.


Vebyast said:
Hmmm. The balance would be that we might not be able to do much with it while we're at home... is that actually the case? I guess that this particular bit of brokenness doesn't actually depend on having huge stocks of high-tier resources, does it? We just wouldn't be able to use anything we built because eventually someone would notice that we seem to have way more Upgraded items than we should.

How much longer is "longer", and how much bonus Upgrading could we get done in that time compared to how much we could get done before getting hit with the nerf-bat if we tried to take the entire workshop with us?
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Keep in mind that Skye does still have a limit on the amount of copied power she can put into each item. So the better the starting materials, the better the upgraded versions will be.



Summary: If you want ridiculously good gear in time for the embassy raid and the start of the school year, use both of them now. If you want a nice boost now and the ability to do another nice boost when you have superior materials at home, then use one of them and save the other for a while.

Using one would give you a larger likely output total, but you'd have to be patient before using the second exploit. It'll be a few months.
 
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Alivaril said:
Aside: that never actually happened; Celes was just screwing with him.
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Um:
Alivaril said:
Well. This is somewhat inconvenient. You'd known Progenitor would likely be showing up, but given as time was paused in your home reality, you hadn't expected it to be until after you had grabbed a power. By the sounds of it, Celes had told him about the time you elected to ignore a castle with an insufficient danger-to-loot ratio in favor of setting it on fire.
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[X] Reluctantly agree to let Skye flip the board and attend Paragon. She's not wrong about Dragon being a cutthroat environment; you'll enjoy the competition, but Skye certainly wont.
-[X] Encourage her to use both exploits now. Unless she's nerfed (which, admittedly, she probably will be), that should let Progeny make off with everything in the workshop and the workshop itself.

After some consideration I think this is the best option. Skye needs a safeish environment - Though that I think suggests Prism as opposed to Paragon. It also opens up the option for a sibling at each school if we choose that route, though Skye has already made her opinion on Dragon known.

I think Skye on the straight and narrow-ish might be best for her overall. In that case might as well use both exploits for all the phat loots.
 
I wonder if we could attend Dragon twice using Skye's spot on the books. Get all the best electives, get a three-person room for the two of us, etc. Or is tuition too expensive to be worth it?
 
[X] Plan Support Our Sister.
-[X] We will support Skye whatever she chooses. Reiterate that. It's important.
-[X] If Skye wants to go to Paragon, then we'll make that happen.
--[X] That said? Has Skye looked into things, with Precedent? That might be something to do before we make any immediate decisions, is to take a minute or two and check.
---[X] Suggest useful statistical measures. Data is good and useful.
---[X] Also, have there ever been Dragon-graduate Heroes? Bring them up. For that matter, wasn't Celestial pretty effective at heroing for a villain? (the cape who masqueraded as a hero and then took other heroes hostage and got away with it.)

-[X] If Skye decides to go to Paragon:
--[X] If we're flipping the board...Celes could go to Prism. To spread our friendship net wide, and all.
--[X] And if we're flipping the board, let's do it in style: Full speed ahead on the exploits, and damn the torpedoes. Not literally.
-[X] Otherwise, these exploits might be a trump card that we only get to play once, so it's probably a good idea to hold on to it.

[X] [Experiment] What is a Builder-made item if not a use of a cape's powers? Try to use Analysis on the materials in the room, starting with Cherub's crystals.

I feel like there's a broad consensus here, somehow.
 
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veekie said:
Thats like an entire category of woobie Dark Magical Girls and Villain's Cute Pampered Daughters

That sounds like a plus
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OTOH:
Alivaril said:
Using one would give you a larger likely output total, but you'd have to be patient before using the second exploit. It'll be a few months.
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I don't intend on voting for Both. One, but not both.
TheBiggerFish said:
[X] Plan Support Our Sister.
-[X] We will support Skye whatever she chooses. Reiterate that. It's important.
-[X] If Skye wants to go to Paragon, then we'll make that happen.
--[X] That said? Has Skye looked into things, with Precedent? That might be something to do before we make any immediate decisions, is to take a minute or two and check.
---[X] Suggest useful statistical measures. Data is good and useful.
---[X] Also, have there ever been Dragon-graduate Heroes? Bring them up. For that matter, wasn't Celestial pretty effective at heroing for a villain? (the cape who masqueraded as a hero and then took other heroes hostage and got away with it.)

-[X] If Skye decides to go to Paragon:
--[X] If we're flipping the board...Celes could go to Prism. To spread our friendship net wide, and all.
--[X] And if we're flipping the board, let's do it in style: Full speed ahead on the exploits, and damn the torpedoes. Not literally.
-[X] Otherwise, these exploits might be a trump card that we only get to play once, so it's probably a good idea to hold on to it.

[X] [Experiment] What is a Builder-made item if not a use of a cape's powers? Try to use Analysis on the materials in the room, starting with Cherub's crystals.

I feel like there's a broad consensus here, somehow.
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I like this, but for the Both part. Other statements seem to indicate that we can bank the second exploit for later, for a larger total output.
 
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[x] Reluctantly agree to let Skye flip the board and attend Paragon. She's not wrong about Dragon being a cutthroat environment; you'll enjoy the competition, but Skye certainly wont.
-[x] Encourage her to use both exploits now. Unless she's nerfed (which, admittedly, she probably will be), that should let Progeny make off with everything in the workshop and the workshop itself.

We promised to support her decisions so that's what we'll do, and if we're going to flip the table may as well go all the way.
 
Alivaril said:
As far as you know, Null doesn't actually dislike students - he's just tsundere as f--

(also, he knows your parents have been training you, which is part of the increased standards. Skye wouldn't have to worry about that.)
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Good to know?

*My Hero Academia parallels intensify*

Personally, I think we should just pop the exploits now. I'm not sure that the results of applying it at home over a long period of time are sufficiently superior to the advantage of having lots of sweet loot now to matter much, and there's definitely something to be said for getting a ton of awesome gear up front. Our power was always something of a slow-burner, so I see more advantage in giving ourselves a big boost to our starting gear, over enhancing our slow progression to power. Especially since that involves waiting in-game months to use the second exploit.
 
[X] Plan Support Our Sister.
-[X] We will support Skye whatever she chooses. Reiterate that. It's important.
-[X] If Skye wants to go to Paragon, then we'll make that happen.
--[X] That said? Has Skye looked into things, with Precedent? That might be something to do before we make any immediate decisions, is to take a minute or two and check.
---[X] Suggest useful statistical measures. Data is good and useful.
---[X] Also, have there ever been Dragon-graduate Heroes? Bring them up. For that matter, wasn't Celestial pretty effective at heroing for a villain? (the cape who masqueraded as a hero and then took other heroes hostage and got away with it.)

-[X] If Skye decides to go to Paragon:
--[X] If we're flipping the board...Celes could go to Prism. To spread our friendship net wide, and all.

-[X] These exploits might be a trump card that we only get to play once, so it's probably a good idea to hold on to it.

[X] [Experiment] What is a Builder-made item if not a use of a cape's powers? Try to use Analysis on the materials in the room, starting with Cherub's crystals.

Slight variant, because I think we shouldn't use the exploits here and don't see the correlation between "Skye goes to Paragon" and "therefore, we should make her look like a huge threat"
 
[x] Reluctantly agree to let Skye flip the board and attend Paragon. She's not wrong about Dragon being a cutthroat environment; you'll enjoy the competition, but Skye certainly wont.
-[x] Encourage her to use both exploits now. Unless she's nerfed (which, admittedly, she probably will be), that should let Progeny make off with everything in the workshop and the workshop itself.
 
[x] Reluctantly agree to let Skye flip the board and attend Paragon. She's not wrong about Dragon being a cutthroat environment; you'll enjoy the competition, but Skye certainly wont.
-[x] Encourage her to use both exploits now. Unless she's nerfed (which, admittedly, she probably will be), that should let Progeny make off with everything in the workshop and the workshop itself.
 
Qwertystop said:
[X] Plan Support Our Sister.
-[X] We will support Skye whatever she chooses. Reiterate that. It's important.
-[X] If Skye wants to go to Paragon, then we'll make that happen.
--[X] That said? Has Skye looked into things, with Precedent? That might be something to do before we make any immediate decisions, is to take a minute or two and check.
---[X] Suggest useful statistical measures. Data is good and useful.
---[X] Also, have there ever been Dragon-graduate Heroes? Bring them up. For that matter, wasn't Celestial pretty effective at heroing for a villain? (the cape who masqueraded as a hero and then took other heroes hostage and got away with it.)

-[X] If Skye decides to go to Paragon:
--[X] If we're flipping the board...Celes could go to Prism. To spread our friendship net wide, and all.

-[X] These exploits might be a trump card that we only get to play once, so it's probably a good idea to hold on to it.

[X] [Experiment] What is a Builder-made item if not a use of a cape's powers? Try to use Analysis on the materials in the room, starting with Cherub's crystals.

Slight variant, because I think we shouldn't use the exploits here and don't see the correlation between "Skye goes to Paragon" and "therefore, we should make her look like a huge threat"
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It's more like "she will end up in Paragon if we do X, so if she decides on Paragon, doing X only brings benefits."
 
Qwertystop said:
Slight variant, because I think we shouldn't use the exploits here and don't see the correlation between "Skye goes to Paragon" and "therefore, we should make her look like a huge threat"
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According to popular rumor: the more of a threat someone could become, the more resources CBCC is willing to devote toward ensuring they don't. So if Skye is shown to be broken enough, she might get to go on field trips and apprenticeships with major Builder heroes (such as Dreadnaught) that she might not otherwise have access to.

EDIT: The downside of that is that they might also spy on her more, do background checks on her friends, and other creepy nonsense. You aren't sure if the rumors of those actions are remotely accurate; it seems like the sort of thing they'd know better than to try.
 
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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Fragmentation's School vote is the most revised/repeated vote on SV. I think this is the fourth time we're voting on a potential school change :V

How about we send Celes to Prism too? That way, we have a sister in each school :p
 
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