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Fragmentation (Original Superhero Setting)

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[X] You want to keep experimenting.

==> Arrange powers so that they make a giant smiley face.
==> Attempt to interpret powers by smell
==> Attempt to interpret the powers by sound. (If this works, arrange groups so that they harmonize. Revert to sight and compare what they are)
==> Open a window that shows you the underpinnings of the mindspace
==> Open a window that shows you what your sister was doing ten subjective minutes ago.
==> Open another window that shows you in the inside of a power.
==> Open a window to your sister's mindspace. Compare the powers she has in her mindspace to the ones in yours. Are they the same, different?
==> Move one of your powers through the window.
==> Move one of your sister's powers into your mindspace.
 
So, the secondary powers with secondary powers were explicitly called out as suspiciously perfect. What criteria are we missing in our sort?
 
[X] You want to keep experimenting.
(major secrets not found: 2)

My inner completionist is screaming at me. I demand we continue to Science until we find all the shinies. This is non-negotiable :3

==>ask if the note-leaver has a name and if s/he may tell you it. Not knowing is horribly impolite.
==>see if you can sort powers by how many civilians will know your cape name five years in the future, should you choose that power now.
==>see if you can sort powers by the likelihood you will reach your two hundredth birthday, should you choose that power.
==>see if you can sort powers by the likelihood you can declare yourself empress of the world in five years, should you choose that power.
==>ask if any powers cannot be sensed by your current means.

Edit:
==>see if you can give yourself conceptual senses. See if you can sort powers by lethality, potential, the joy they can bring you, etc.
 
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tricholysis said:
Re: not sciencing i.e. @Equable: what kind of SV quester are you? Weirdo.
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You're right. I'm not sure what I was thinking. In fairness, I totally offered good science ideas, though.

[X] You want to keep experimenting.

I have a few ideas, though some might have been tried already.

Alright actual power experiments and reality hacking:
==> Organize shapes by depth.
==> Organize shapes by density.
==> Organize shapes by volume.
==> Organize shapes by transparency.
==> Request admin privileges over this reality
==> Organize shapes by number of dimensions.
==> Organize powers by probability of us choosing them.
==> Organize powers by the number of people currently in our reality using them.

Playing around:
==> Create a comfortable chair, a TV, a dvd player and a dvd of a movie you want to watch but have not yet seen. Watch the movie. If you really forget all this when you leave, you'll be able to enjoy it just as much when you watch it in reality!
==> Create the most delicious food in existence.
==> Create the perfect sandwich.

Trying to break reality:
==> Reverse the flow of time.
==> Create an infinitely dense point.
==> Try to occupy to spaces at the same time without splitting or duplicating yourself.
==> Extrude this reality to your home reality.
==> Make an object larger than this reality.
 
[X] You want to keep experimenting.

==> Turn on gravity with an arbitrary gravitational constnat, arrange the powers into three spheres where one contains roughly half the mass of all the powers another contains roughly a third and the last contains all the remaining powers, arrange these spheres so that their centers fall on a line where they order largest followed by smallest followed by middle from our perspective, impart velocity on the smallest and middle spheres perpendicular to the line the three spheres are arranged on and parallel to one another. Reset and change the gravitational constant and the imparted velocities until the smallest and middle spheres enter stable orbits around the largest one.
 
Equable said:
==> Create the most delicious food in existence.
==> Create the perfect sandwich.
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Careful, this is a setting that has magic users in it, there is a decent possibility that you will get fairy food or ambrosia, and those are not things we want.
==>Create the best sandwich you have ever eaten.
 
wertsir said:
Careful, this is a setting that has magic users in it, there is a decent possibility that you will get fairy food or ambrosia, and those are not things we want.
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That might be a risk for 'the most delicious food in existence', but the perfect sandwich is free from drawbacks by its very nature.

You see, the sandwich with drawbacks is inferior to the same sandwich without drawbacks, and is thus less perfect. Therefore, trap sandwich < perfect sandwich.

It's like the ontological argument, except with sandwiches.

I want the ontological sandwich.

Edit: Also, just had an idea;

==> Use admin powers received from my future self to grant myself admin powers.
==> Give past self admin powers.
 
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Equable said:
That might be a risk for 'the most delicious food in existence', but the perfect sandwich is free from drawbacks by its very nature.

You see, the sandwich with drawbacks is inferior to the same sandwich without drawbacks, and is thus less perfect. Therefore, trap sandwich < perfect sandwich.

It's like the ontological argument, except with sandwiches.

I want the ontological sandwich.
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It's not the food that is wrong with fairy food, the food is perfect, the problem is that the human vessel (you) simply cannot handle it's majesty, leading to them refusing to eat inferior normal food. the bug is with the user, not the program. (to use the christian metaphor, god is perfect, yet seeing him would kill you, this is not a problem with god, this is a problem with you being imperfect)

And by design, if anything did NOT produce this effect it would be inferior to one that did, hence not being perfect. (imagine it as you being raised to eat shit your whole life, to you it is fine, but once you start eating real/normal food you are not going to want to go back to eating shit)

However, there is a difference between a sandwich that is perfect, and a sandwich that is perfect for you. a sandwich which is perfect for you would not have that effect, (unless you have a very vindictive genie/reality).
 
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wertsir said:
It's not the food that is wrong with fairy food, the food is perfect, the problem is that the human vessel (you) simply cannot handle it's majesty, leading to them refusing to eat inferior normal food. the bug is with the user, not the program. (to use the christian metaphor, god is perfect, yet seeing him would kill you, this is not a problem with god, this is a problem with you being imperfect)
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Now that's an interesting point. However, I'd argue that it comes down to the purpose of the idealized thing: the purpose of a god is not 'to be viewed', but a sandwich exists 'to be eaten', and so the perfect sandwich would have no reason not to eat it. If the perfect sandwich is inedible, for any reason (including that eating it would cause us to lose all appreciation for other foods), it isn't perfect, surely.

If anything, a perfect sandwich would make all other foods taste like the perfect sandwich. Although that might get boring.

Although this rather raises the question of if we could stop eating it, because if it's perfect we won't want to stop, and a whole sandwich > a half eaten sandwich, so it might actually regenerate.

Still, we won't remember anything after we leave; even if the sandwich ruins all other food for us, we'll be fine after we forget about it.

Though there is the distinct possibility that we'll just get a note saying 'Progenitor says "Thank you for the sandwich. It was very tasty.".'
 
==>attempt to perceive the edge of this reality
==>attempt to perceive how you came to be here from your own reality
==>create something that listens to the words you speak in the real world, whenever you say the word 'zygarde' bring my mind back to this reality. whenever you say the words 'take me back to my reality' send your mind back to your body a moment after you spoke the original words.
 
Equable said:
Now that's an interesting point. However, I'd argue that it comes down to the purpose of the idealized thing: the purpose of a god is not 'to be viewed', but a sandwich exists 'to be eaten', and so the perfect sandwich would have no reason not to eat it. If the perfect sandwich is inedible, for any reason (including that eating it would cause us to lose all appreciation for other foods), it isn't perfect, surely.

If anything, a perfect sandwich would make all other foods taste like the perfect sandwich. Although that might get boring.

Although this rather raises the question of if we could stop eating it, because if it's perfect we won't want to stop, and a whole sandwich > a half eaten sandwich, so it might actually regenerate.

Still, we won't remember anything after we leave; even if the sandwich ruins all other food for us, we'll be fine after we forget about it.

Though there is the distinct possibility that we'll just get a note saying 'Progenitor says "Thank you for the sandwich. It was very tasty.".'
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Well now that is a bit silly (unlike this argument, which is perfectly serious), imagine that you create the perfect woman, would she make other women look uglier by comparison, (greater contrast) or would she make everyone else look prettier? Clearly it would be the former for any reasonable definition of perfect.

And should it be the second case the woman would be making herself LESS perfect, for perfection (as all things) is in the eye of the beholder, and ever greater beauty begets a longing for greater beauty still.

And making us not eat anything else is not the same as being inedible, it just means we would have to eat more of the perfect sandwich. in fact, I could argue that the perfect sandwich would ERASE every other sandwich, for what is perfection but the being the best possible thing at whatever you are? if there were no other sandwiches ANY sandwich would be the perfect sandwich, for there are no others to compare it to.

To go back to the fairy comparison, lets say you eat the perfect sandwich, and then eat a sandwich made of fairy food, since the sandwich has no mimetic effect the fairy food sandwich would seem superior, which would mean the perfect sandwich was not perfect, this is obviously impossible with a truly perfect sandwich, and thus the perfect sandwich would contain (or at least have a similar affect TO) Fairy Food.

Although, I suppose it could also just contain a mimetic effect that makes everyone who eats it believe it is the perfect sandwich, sidestepping that problem entirely. (OR it could have both). huh.

==>Send perfect sandwich to progenitor.
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==> bring me the shape who's powers all involve coffee.
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Ah, the "Ozpin" Power.
 
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You know a forum is special when you can find a philosophical debate about the nature of the perfect sandwich, and not even be surprised.
Carry on gentlebeings, and godspeed.
 
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==> Experiment with modifying our own perception. For example, does blocking our ability to see, say, red, cause red powers to disappear, purple powers to turn blue, and white powers to cyan? If color-blocking is partial, rather than binary, then observe if the written descriptions of powers change when we block some, but not all of their color.
 
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0.4: SCIENCE! phase ends.
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    • Note to self: point SV at a shiny and they will tear any puzzle to pieces within half an hour. Sorry for not including every single thing, but with the wild mass guessing going on, that would have taken forever. Which would be somewhat pointless, considering what happened.


    ==>Use window (similar to the ones you used earlier) to spy on every major hero and villain group.

    You have to specify the name of the group, but you are able to manage it.


    ==>See if you can open multiple windows at once, if you can, point open a window looking at itself. (if not, use a mirror)

    You are able to open multiple windows at once, but trying to open a window to look at another window has the second one display a blank black void. The mirror reflects nothing.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==>Attempt to contact progenitor directly.

    Failure, probably? You didn't get a response of any kind.


    ==>Ask which power Progenitor believes you would pick for yourself if you knew all possible information. (arrow, as before)

    You feel a little silly speaking to empty air, but do it anyway. SCIENCE! Awaits.


    ==>Attempt to pull the version of yourself that existed a minute ago into the present.

    Failure.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==>See if you can affect events in the outside world (unlikely, but still worth a try)

    You cannot.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==>Attempt to create a alternate reality within this reality, one which can be freely manipulated by you.

    Success. Your new pocket dimension would appear to have the same properties as the one it is contained in, with one exception:

    It contains even more powers. All of which are not-quite-spheres with at least two secondary powers attached to them.

    Oh, and you notice that they were moving of their own accord prior to your arrival. They all stop once you enter and you have the distinct feeling that you are being watched and judged.


    ==>Attempt to view any/all other rooms.

    This just lets you watch the pocket dimension you "created". You suspect that trying to make an extra one only made an entrance to said dimension instead of actually making one.


    ==>Attempt to affect the contents of your sisters room.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==>Attempt to talk to entity-powers

    They remain silent, but you do notice them beginning to move about of their own accord. It plays merry hell with your grids.


    ==> highlight powers with sentience (since Host powers exist, I want to be careful about that)

    Success. After some difficulty distinguishing them against the normal not-light being generated, you elect to put rainbow-colored rings around each one to make it easier to distinguish them against the glow.

    All of the powers within the sub-dimension you accessed are sentient. All of them.


    ==> try to discover if size of shape affects the powers.

    After a massive amount of testing, you are able to determine that size doesn't really make a difference. You suspect that making them different sizes was intended to throw people off.​


    =>Check if the original powers are actually secondary powers of some unseen zeroth's level power

    Nothing happened, but, well... "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    =>Bring all powers rated 10 or less on the brightness scale forward. Create a light amplifier to be able to see them.

    Surprisingly, this moves some of the clusters toward you. Raising your perception of how bright the powers are reveals that there are a bunch more shapes with Tertiary powers than you had initially thought...


    => see if you can bend space. See if you can form some kind of pocket universe. If so, fill it with an infinitely long rotating cylinder. If not, then try it anyway, just waaay over there.

    Not only are you able to do all of the above, you also earn another:

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."

    You're tempted to start keeping score.


    => send a message to our sister.
    ==> "open voice line to sister"

    Sadly, she does not appear to have received it.

    ==> "are there any other private rooms full of powers?"

    "Key word: private."


    ==> designate progenitor as your platonic older brother (an oniichan if you will) and look for his power or similar.

    You receive two notes simultaneously:

    "...What." and "Nice try."


    ==> Open another window that shows you in the inside of a power.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==> Open a window to your sister's mindspace. Compare the powers she has in her mindspace to the ones in yours. Are they the same, different?

    Different. They appear to follow the same rules, though.


    ==> Move one of your powers through the window.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==> Move one of your sister's powers into your mindspace.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again."


    ==>ask if the note-leaver has a name and if s/he may tell you it. Not knowing is horribly impolite.

    "I do not have a name."​


    ==>see if you can sort powers by the likelihood you can declare yourself empress of the world in five years, should you choose that power.

    "Nice try."


    ==>ask if any powers cannot be sensed by your current means.

    No response.​


    ==> Reverse the flow of time.
    ==> Create an infinitely dense point.
    ==> Try to occupy two spaces at the same time without splitting or duplicating yourself.
    ==> Extrude this reality to your home reality.
    ==> Make an object larger than this reality.

    "Progenitor has been notified. Again." x5.


    ==> Organize powers by probability of us choosing them.

    There are several seconds of silence before anything happens. After that, you hear what seems to be shattering glass from all around you. No matter what you do, you receive no more notes after that. Whooopsie?

    Achievement Unlocked: Blue Screen of Death

    Trying to intentionally repeat actions that got you a note before no longer get you a note. However, it did reveal a side perk: You are now able to perform some actions which were previously closed to you.


    Some experimentation reveals that you may now designate a single word, a color, any amount of sub-colors, and choose either sentient or non-sentient. If it exists in your personal little mindscape, an "Optimal Power" meeting the criteria will approach you.

    All secrets found. SCIENCE! Phase over.


    [] Write-in. (Insert single-word description, such as Analysis, here)
    -[] Color
    --[] Sub-colors
    -[] Sentient
    -[] Non-sentient


    There aren't an infinite number of perfect powers, so I'll just be dragging out the one closest to the winning power(s). There will be a confirmation vote (Y/N) after that. To speed things up, you may vote for up to three different potential powers at once. You'll pick between them or reject them next vote.

    EDIT: Due to reorganization of threadmarks, some people may have missed the overview for Evelyn's parents.
     
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    • Honestly, I'm a little surprised that "Sort by probability of us picking it" didn't just earn us another Nice Try.
     
    This has been the greatest and most well written session of Science I have ever seen, on SB, SV, or any other website. I congratulate you, sir.

    This quest shall be amazing.
     
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