DON'T SCARY
Hope is the road to disappointment....
Sera will hate us with dying passion.
Flandre's Quest (Touhou) World - (Madness Quest)
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Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Nasuverse(s) may or may not be available to go to. I'll consider it.
*Hides behind Patchouli*
Would require me to have watched TTGL.
Haven't seen either of the first two; and not so much that I dislike Soul Eater - in fact, I'm fairly sure I liked most of it ... probably ... it's just been years since I've read it (watched it? I think I read a manga ... is it a manga?) and I don't remember anything about it.
*digs up post from SpaceBattles*
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For Humans, Gensokyo is ... a fairly nice place. Life is pretty decent, for a pre-industrial society - though they do have magic to make things a lot easier, and some of the nicer youkai, like Eirin or Keine, do things that humans can't do or don't have the time for. The main strictures on humans are, of course, the youkai. Youkai - especially the very powerful and the very weak, are territorial; the weak because those territories are their hunting grounds, the powerful because those territories are their homes.
So there are definite - and defined - restrictions on where humans are allowed and not allowed to go; the Hakurei Mikos can attempt to negotiate with youkai if there's a problem, or someone can be hired to attempt to drive away or eliminate troublesome youkai. Marisa, for example - in her PMiSS article, it's mentioned that she makes a living exterminating youkai. Now, Marisa's pretty damn good at danmaku ... but an actual fight is going to be something else. She's a squishy human, even if she does have powerful magic from her Hakkero, and youkai above a certain level simply aren't going to have issues squashing her like a bug if she tries to exterminate them. Reimu can also perform these tasks, and she's better at it for a couple reasons: One, she's the Hakurei Miko, and therefore youkai are hesitant to actually fight her; two, even if they do fight her, she can avoid their attacks; three, youkai are inherently weak to faith-based attacks, and that's what most of Reimu's attacks are, so she can hit way above her weight class, since she doesn't need to worry about blasting through the sheer durability of powerful youkai the way Marisa would.
Of course, not all youkai are inherently hostile, and it depends on what you're doing .... For example, say you have a very sick child, and you need a certain herb to cure him. Unfortunately, said plant is only known to grow in Yuuka's garden. Well. You're just a poor squishy human, not some hero, so what're you gonna do? You've got a few options:
1) You can say "Forget it," and try to make the kid's last days comfortable.
2) You can try to hire or beg/persuade a professional to get if for you.
3) You can go yourself and try to get the plant.
Let's say you go with 3, because you're too poor to hire Marisa and Reimu is off solving some incident. How do you go about it? Well, you've got two basic options: Sneak or Be Obvious. If you sneak into Yuuka's territory, and she catches you doing it, Yuuka will happen to you. Bad End. So you shouldn't do that. Instead, what you should do is walk up the clearly marked path to her door and knock; she has a house (most 'civilized' youkai do), even if she doesn't need it, and she probably knew you where here the moment you entered her territory. She'll come ... probably. Eventually.
So let's say Yuuka's right there and not busy, so she lets you in and listens to your request for the plant. She has two options - Yes or No; "No" may lead to a second possibility, depending on how she phrases it. If she says "Yes" - unlikely, but possible - then she'll go get the herb for you and just hand it over; you'd better be grateful as hell, but she won't ask for anything in return (though she will take things if you offer them). If she says "No," there are two ways she can say it - "No, and get out," which means you should leave or Yuuka will happen to you, and "... Well, I would, but the plant is so very rare and precious to me ...." Which is code for "I'll let you have one, but you need to be able to pay me." Most youkai who enter the bargaining stage won't actually ask you for something you're not capable of doing, but they will make sure the bargain is fair ... from their side. For example, Yuuka might want another flower that she *could* get herself, but is too lazy/busy to get ... and said flower is in Eientei, which means you're going to have to talk to the Lunarians to get it, and probably bargain with them; or she may just want you to plant certain plants in certain locations and make sure they grow.
On the other hand, if you go to a human-friendly place like the Scarlet Devil Mansion, you generally have to really tick people off before they're willing to get hostile, and even then you're likely to be thrown out still alive. So let's say you need some information on something, so you go there because you've heard the Library there has information on just about everything. You go up to the Gate and talk to Meiling - possibly because you haven't quite realized she's actually a youkai herself - and she'll probably let you in, with a pass to go to the Library so the maids don't throw you out. Maybe you'll run across Remilia, because she likes talking to new people, but if you go during the day it's quite likely you won't meet anyone. So you make it down to the Library and meet Patchouli. Now, Pache doesn't like humans, but Remi's standing policy is that unless they do something against the rules, she can't do anything, so she'll listen to what you have to say. And, because Pache isn't going to give you something for free - you're a greedy human, after all - you're probably going to go straight to the bargaining stage. And that is going to be hard, because what can you offer Patchouli that she doesn't already know?
Most 'civil' youkai are going to be closer to Yuuka than Patchouli; they usually won't kill you out of hand, but you're certainly taking your life into your hands just going there, which is why people like Marisa can make a living doing intermediary work. Likewise, hedge-wizards and -witches who can't danmaku well but are still competent spell-casters can deal with lower youkai if they're prepared.
And full circle: Magic. Marisa's a pretty good magician, and she's got a lot of firepower with that Hakkero - if she gets the drop on a high-level Youkai and goes for the kill, she can do a lot of damage. She'll probably still die, because high-level youkai are just that tough, but she'll hurt it. In a straight-up fight, even mid-level youkai - Mystia, Letty, and the like - are going to be quite dangerous. A magician like Patchouli, on the other hand, is dangerous because she's powerful, but mainly because she could give D&D mages lessons in paranoid planning. If you get the drop on her, and she has no contingent defenses or you can bypass them somehow, you can beat her pretty easily. If she's not feeling well, Marisa can just Blazing Star through her barriers and smack her in the face with a broom for a OHKO ... but if she's feeling well and is prepared, she can go toe-to-toe with Remilia until one of them gets tired. Patchouli is not a lightweight as far as power levels in Gensokyo go, and if she's healthy and out for blood, she has the power, knowledge, and connections to put a lot of hurt where she wants to.
Humans can survive in Gensokyo, quite easily and comfortably ... so long as they understand and obey the rules that hold the place together. Step outside the "Safe for Human" zone? Better be prepared to fight, because you're fair game. Trash-talk a youkai because you're under the assumption that since humans are "protected" you're safe, even in the Safe Zones? Bad End For You. It's not a crapsack world, but it doesn't particularly tolerate stupidity.
But Youkai - most of them - need to do things; they need the fear, they get bored, and so on. Incidents using the Spell Card System help with this, and with inter-youkai political disputes (when they choose not to go for the kill, which still happens sometimes). Not all Incidents have a major effect on human lives - The Scarlet Mist and the Long Winter, for example, did, but the Imperishable Night and Mountain of Faith went completely unnoticed by humans (except those involved).
So there are definite - and defined - restrictions on where humans are allowed and not allowed to go; the Hakurei Mikos can attempt to negotiate with youkai if there's a problem, or someone can be hired to attempt to drive away or eliminate troublesome youkai. Marisa, for example - in her PMiSS article, it's mentioned that she makes a living exterminating youkai. Now, Marisa's pretty damn good at danmaku ... but an actual fight is going to be something else. She's a squishy human, even if she does have powerful magic from her Hakkero, and youkai above a certain level simply aren't going to have issues squashing her like a bug if she tries to exterminate them. Reimu can also perform these tasks, and she's better at it for a couple reasons: One, she's the Hakurei Miko, and therefore youkai are hesitant to actually fight her; two, even if they do fight her, she can avoid their attacks; three, youkai are inherently weak to faith-based attacks, and that's what most of Reimu's attacks are, so she can hit way above her weight class, since she doesn't need to worry about blasting through the sheer durability of powerful youkai the way Marisa would.
Of course, not all youkai are inherently hostile, and it depends on what you're doing .... For example, say you have a very sick child, and you need a certain herb to cure him. Unfortunately, said plant is only known to grow in Yuuka's garden. Well. You're just a poor squishy human, not some hero, so what're you gonna do? You've got a few options:
1) You can say "Forget it," and try to make the kid's last days comfortable.
2) You can try to hire or beg/persuade a professional to get if for you.
3) You can go yourself and try to get the plant.
Let's say you go with 3, because you're too poor to hire Marisa and Reimu is off solving some incident. How do you go about it? Well, you've got two basic options: Sneak or Be Obvious. If you sneak into Yuuka's territory, and she catches you doing it, Yuuka will happen to you. Bad End. So you shouldn't do that. Instead, what you should do is walk up the clearly marked path to her door and knock; she has a house (most 'civilized' youkai do), even if she doesn't need it, and she probably knew you where here the moment you entered her territory. She'll come ... probably. Eventually.
So let's say Yuuka's right there and not busy, so she lets you in and listens to your request for the plant. She has two options - Yes or No; "No" may lead to a second possibility, depending on how she phrases it. If she says "Yes" - unlikely, but possible - then she'll go get the herb for you and just hand it over; you'd better be grateful as hell, but she won't ask for anything in return (though she will take things if you offer them). If she says "No," there are two ways she can say it - "No, and get out," which means you should leave or Yuuka will happen to you, and "... Well, I would, but the plant is so very rare and precious to me ...." Which is code for "I'll let you have one, but you need to be able to pay me." Most youkai who enter the bargaining stage won't actually ask you for something you're not capable of doing, but they will make sure the bargain is fair ... from their side. For example, Yuuka might want another flower that she *could* get herself, but is too lazy/busy to get ... and said flower is in Eientei, which means you're going to have to talk to the Lunarians to get it, and probably bargain with them; or she may just want you to plant certain plants in certain locations and make sure they grow.
On the other hand, if you go to a human-friendly place like the Scarlet Devil Mansion, you generally have to really tick people off before they're willing to get hostile, and even then you're likely to be thrown out still alive. So let's say you need some information on something, so you go there because you've heard the Library there has information on just about everything. You go up to the Gate and talk to Meiling - possibly because you haven't quite realized she's actually a youkai herself - and she'll probably let you in, with a pass to go to the Library so the maids don't throw you out. Maybe you'll run across Remilia, because she likes talking to new people, but if you go during the day it's quite likely you won't meet anyone. So you make it down to the Library and meet Patchouli. Now, Pache doesn't like humans, but Remi's standing policy is that unless they do something against the rules, she can't do anything, so she'll listen to what you have to say. And, because Pache isn't going to give you something for free - you're a greedy human, after all - you're probably going to go straight to the bargaining stage. And that is going to be hard, because what can you offer Patchouli that she doesn't already know?
Most 'civil' youkai are going to be closer to Yuuka than Patchouli; they usually won't kill you out of hand, but you're certainly taking your life into your hands just going there, which is why people like Marisa can make a living doing intermediary work. Likewise, hedge-wizards and -witches who can't danmaku well but are still competent spell-casters can deal with lower youkai if they're prepared.
And full circle: Magic. Marisa's a pretty good magician, and she's got a lot of firepower with that Hakkero - if she gets the drop on a high-level Youkai and goes for the kill, she can do a lot of damage. She'll probably still die, because high-level youkai are just that tough, but she'll hurt it. In a straight-up fight, even mid-level youkai - Mystia, Letty, and the like - are going to be quite dangerous. A magician like Patchouli, on the other hand, is dangerous because she's powerful, but mainly because she could give D&D mages lessons in paranoid planning. If you get the drop on her, and she has no contingent defenses or you can bypass them somehow, you can beat her pretty easily. If she's not feeling well, Marisa can just Blazing Star through her barriers and smack her in the face with a broom for a OHKO ... but if she's feeling well and is prepared, she can go toe-to-toe with Remilia until one of them gets tired. Patchouli is not a lightweight as far as power levels in Gensokyo go, and if she's healthy and out for blood, she has the power, knowledge, and connections to put a lot of hurt where she wants to.
Humans can survive in Gensokyo, quite easily and comfortably ... so long as they understand and obey the rules that hold the place together. Step outside the "Safe for Human" zone? Better be prepared to fight, because you're fair game. Trash-talk a youkai because you're under the assumption that since humans are "protected" you're safe, even in the Safe Zones? Bad End For You. It's not a crapsack world, but it doesn't particularly tolerate stupidity.
But Youkai - most of them - need to do things; they need the fear, they get bored, and so on. Incidents using the Spell Card System help with this, and with inter-youkai political disputes (when they choose not to go for the kill, which still happens sometimes). Not all Incidents have a major effect on human lives - The Scarlet Mist and the Long Winter, for example, did, but the Imperishable Night and Mountain of Faith went completely unnoticed by humans (except those involved).
Haven't seen either series.
Hadiz
The Final Solution. To Others.
- Location
- Somewhere.
[X] Get back to the tower you tried to sleep in and go back to sleep. Don't do anything until night falls.
- [X] What to do when you wake up?
--[X] Eat. What else?
Can you give us a selection list of the world's available?
Though can you link that post from SB? I want to know more.
- [X] What to do when you wake up?
--[X] Eat. What else?
Noooooo!
Can you give us a selection list of the world's available?
Though can you link that post from SB? I want to know more.
False Xteeler
False smile :D
- Location
- Somewhere
[X] Feed. With so many people down there, you'll definitely be able to restore the energy you lost.
For some reason, the talk about Flandre visiting other world remind me of this:
Flandre in SCP
For some reason, the talk about Flandre visiting other world remind me of this:
Flandre in SCP
Doctor Akemi
Homura Akemi's Time Lord counterpart.
- Location
- inside TARDIS in time stream
am I the only person who would like to see Flan in one piece world? I mean common beating the SLAG out of marines and getting a highest bounty is what I wanna see.
Sk8torchic
The Sorcerer of Humanity.
If Nasuverse is off the table, what about Castlevania?
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
- Location
- My Ship of Light in the Cosmos
Probably, mostly because running water is one of the few vampire weaknesses that's actually a weakness to Flan; and One Piece is basically nothing but running water (i.e. the Ocean).
Doctor Akemi
Homura Akemi's Time Lord counterpart.
- Location
- inside TARDIS in time stream
I thought Scarlet sisters weren't weak to waters but running water like rains ( NOT ocean) unless Flan chooses to go to Island that is raining 24/7 she will be aright. ( afterall if Flan is weak to ocean like water... how the frag dose she wash herself?)
Sk8torchic
The Sorcerer of Humanity.
She doesn't, she has a maid for that.
I thought Scarlet sisters weren't weak to waters but running water like rains ( NOT ocean) unless Flan chooses to go to Island that is raining 24/7 she will be aright. ( afterall if Flan is weak to ocean like water... how the frag dose she wash herself?)
She's only ten years old, after all.
Doctor Akemi
Homura Akemi's Time Lord counterpart.
- Location
- inside TARDIS in time stream
mentally you mean... and also how dose Romalia, never mind Flandre wash herself then? even with a help of her maid surely they need WATER. ( I.E I don't believe Scarlet sisters are weak to water like fire is weak to water. They are only weak to "special" sort of water like FALLING water even then it dose not kill them).
Sk8torchic
The Sorcerer of Humanity.
They are weak to running water. This includes rivers and the rain. I can't say for certain regarding the ocean, but considering the constant waves and currents, it's plausible.
Also I meant physically. Mentally, her age is Depending-On-The-Writer, and temporally her age is >= 505.
Doctor Akemi
Homura Akemi's Time Lord counterpart.
- Location
- inside TARDIS in time stream
please... please... PLEASE don't turn Flan into stupid vampires like in bloodrayne vampires.
I'm begging you.
Baroque
Medi Aide, Whom Needed That
- Location
- Cosmic Ark, WIZ Faction
As far as I'm concerned the only stupid vampires* are the ones that you could hang up on the roof and use as a disco ball.
And even then, that's mostly the execution bringing the concept down.
*(EDIT: That is, vampires that are by nature stupid, rather than ones that happen to be stupid. Personal stupidity knows no species restrictions.)
And even then, that's mostly the execution bringing the concept down.
*(EDIT: That is, vampires that are by nature stupid, rather than ones that happen to be stupid. Personal stupidity knows no species restrictions.)
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Legionary
One of Many
I've voiced an interest in One Piece on this thread myself. I'm just not entirely certain how well we'll stack against the heavy hitters of the series
Doctor Akemi
Homura Akemi's Time Lord counterpart.
- Location
- inside TARDIS in time stream
it is good for Flandre to have some challenge... let's be honest here Puella magis were no challenge at all.
- Location
- Texas
It would be author's discretion mostly... unless you wanted to be one of those people who tried to calculate strength mathematically somehow.
Personally I'd like Flandre to go up against someone who could either 1) match her evenly or 2) kick her butt. It has been a lot of fun seeing her completely pwn everyone... but I would like to see a bit of character growth. Yes I know that's hard for someone like Flandre, but if she could mature just a tad bit to defeat someone big and scary that would be awesome.
Chartreuse32
Writing from the Birdcage
Yeah these guys were kinda pushovers compared to us. I prefer to think of this world as a tutorial, getting used to the character and maybe acquiring some minions.
It would be helpful if EJ posted a list of worlds he's willing to unleash Flan Flan on.
It would be helpful if EJ posted a list of worlds he's willing to unleash Flan Flan on.
Eh... hmm...
Let's see... if we consider the Bath = Ocean analog... then an Ocean is not a body of running water. Merely a very big container, where as a river is quite clearly a pipe-way to move water from place to place, thus making it count as running water.
Besides you can drink moving water just fine, and you can't drink Ocean water just fine.
Q.E.D (Not actually real logic)
Ocean is fine for vampires.
Let's see... if we consider the Bath = Ocean analog... then an Ocean is not a body of running water. Merely a very big container, where as a river is quite clearly a pipe-way to move water from place to place, thus making it count as running water.
Besides you can drink moving water just fine, and you can't drink Ocean water just fine.
Q.E.D (Not actually real logic)
Ocean is fine for vampires.
DON'T SCARY
Hope is the road to disappointment....
No one wants go to TTGL. I mean think about it, Flandre with spiral power. Let that sink in.
Legionary
One of Many
So basically get beaten up by someone, captured, sold as a slave because of our odd wings to a World Noble and... profit? Personally I think the experience would be quite interesting to see get written. But then it would be mostly until Flan wakes up and kyuus everything in sight
- Location
- Texas
I'd think Flandre would be more anti-spiral, what with being a living corpse and all.
- Location
- Underground
For something like that I think Disgaea would be a good choice. There are plenty of characters that can match or beat Flandre, but most are not actively malicious so the chances of she dying due to a bad encounter is rather small, and the mechanics and nature of the setting would facilitate Flandre's growth, both in character and in strength.
The only problem I can think of is the fact that Flandre is kinda of outclassed by pretty much anyone worth mentioning (I may be wrong, since my knowledge of Touhou is not that great), but that can be fixed by grinding a little. That and Disgaea, being what it is, making the quest a lot more silly and crazy, though this is madness quest, after all.
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Baroque
Medi Aide, Whom Needed That
- Location
- Cosmic Ark, WIZ Faction
Well, there's always the joys of generics. Through one bit of shenanigans or another, Flan could potentially usurp a netherworld, and from there she'd have the capacity to get all the friends she could need.
Plus, if we want to indulge our bloodlust, well . . . the Item World is a GLORIOUS THING and we all know it.