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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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I think the issue is that Taylor hasn't done anything wrong. Had the Firebird thing hurt people or wiped out the school it would make sense but nothing really bad happened so the question is why would anyone want to turn her in?

chibipoe said:
Oh granted. But from an objective standpoint, where's the evidence that crime is encouraged?, is my point. It isn't like they sit at the dinner table and twirl their moustaches(fabulous ones, natch!) and teach their kids about being evil. You can be a terrible person and a fantastic parent at the same time.
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The issue is that from the position of CPS it's this, if the parent is let's say a drug dealer, even if they're a great parent the kid is going to grow up thinking selling drugs is good. It's a question if a violent criminal can be trusted to teach their child to not also become a violent criminal. I mean how can you teach a child that stealing is wrong if you rob banks for a living? It's a matter of keeping the child from falling into the same lifestyle the parents live.
 
VolantRedX said:
I think the issue is that Taylor hasn't done anything wrong. Had the Firebird thing hurt people or wiped out the school it would make sense but nothing really bad happened so the question is why would anyone want to turn her in?


The issue is that from the position of CPS it's this, if the parent is let's say a drug dealer, even if they're a great parent the kid is going to grow up thinking selling drugs is good. It's a question if a violent criminal can be trusted to teach their child to not also become a violent criminal. I mean how can you teach a child that stealing is wrong if you rob banks for a living? It's a matter of keeping the child from falling into the same lifestyle the parents live.
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Oh, I agree. But like I said, from a purely objective standpoint, what they do doesn't necessarily mean it's what they teach. Anyway, that's getting a bit far afield.

As it is, there's clearly a precedent for them learning things outside of 'Oh person X was unmasked'. I mean, canon Browbeat was found out because his doctor/hospital told on him and the PRT acted on that info. True, nothing was damaged beyond people staring at the displayed, but the potential is what worries them.
 
chibipoe said:
As it is, there's clearly a precedent for them learning things outside of 'Oh person X was unmasked'. I mean, canon Browbeat was found out because his doctor/hospital told on him and the PRT acted on that info. True, nothing was damaged beyond people staring at the displayed, but the potential is what worries them.
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The issue, for me at least, is that there doesn't seem to be enough of a why to Vicky's thinking. She's debating turning Taylor over to the PRT, but there doesn't seem to be a reason for her to think that. At no point has Taylor hurt anyone. The giant bird didn't kill anyone. Essentially Vicky lacks any real motivation to do this. She knows telling is a huge breach of trust, but there isn't a reason to breach that trust.
 
VolantRedX said:
The issue is that from the position of CPS it's this, if the parent is let's say a drug dealer, even if they're a great parent the kid is going to grow up thinking selling drugs is good. It's a question if a violent criminal can be trusted to teach their child to not also become a violent criminal. I mean how can you teach a child that stealing is wrong if you rob banks for a living? It's a matter of keeping the child from falling into the same lifestyle the parents live.
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This is not a legitimate reason for CPS to act. It basically makes holding any belief CPS doesn't like a crime and violates all kinds of human rights. They need to prove the child is in danger in the home to act being a bad person/parent isn't enough.

They can get around this a bit as giving their kids drugs can be considered endangering them so if they have reasonable suspicion they are giving or allowing access to drugs they can use that as an excuse but as long as the drug dealer keeps the drugs far away from the kids CPS has nothing to stand on.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
This is not a legitimate reason for CPS to act. It basically makes holding any belief CPS doesn't like a crime and violates all kinds of human rights. They need to prove the child is in danger in the home to act being a bad person/parent isn't enough.

They can get around this a bit as giving their kids drugs can be considered endangering them so if they have reasonable suspicion they are giving or allowing access to drugs they can use that as an excuse but as long as the drug dealer keeps the drugs far away from the kids CPS has nothing to stand on.
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Eh. They're still a legal felon and murderer. In any case they would still legs to stand on. Primarily in that Purities an outed violent criminals with a stupid amount of enemies and Aster's a baby.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
This is not a legitimate reason for CPS to act. It basically makes holding any belief CPS doesn't like a crime and violates all kinds of human rights. They need to prove the child is in danger in the home to act being a bad person/parent isn't enough.

They can get around this a bit as giving their kids drugs can be considered endangering them so if they have reasonable suspicion they are giving or allowing access to drugs they can use that as an excuse but as long as the drug dealer keeps the drugs far away from the kids CPS has nothing to stand on.
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They were also attempting to arrest Purity for her many crimes. They will take kids away if you're under arrest.
 
Larekko12 said:
Eh. They're still a legal felon and murderer. In any case they would still legs to stand on. Primarily in that Purities an outed violent criminals with a stupid amount of enemies and Aster's a baby.
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The thing is that legally she is innocent until proven guilty and none of those crimes were against Aster anyway. If she was arrested CPS could get involved with providing her with an alternate home but as it is now they are arresting the child based off of unproven anonymous accusations that wouldn't endanger the child even if try. Thus non of CPSs business.

As for her having enemies if that was reason to take away a child then all politicians, superheroes and celebrities wouldn't be allowed to have kids. I'm sure Legend has an order of magnitude more foes than Purity.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
The thing is that legally she is innocent until proven guilty and none of those crimes were against Aster anyway. If she was arrested CPS could get involved with providing her with an alternate home but as it is now they are arresting the child based off of unproven anonymous accusations that wouldn't endanger the child even if try. Thus non of CPSs business.

As for her having enemies if that was reason to take away a child then all politicians, superheroes and celebrities wouldn't be allowed to have kids. I'm sure Legend has an order of magnitude more foes than Purity.
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Not really? Not Purity any way. She's a vet and likely already convicted and just escaped.

As for the rest. Guards, not outed, and not criminals.
 
Larekko12 said:
Not really? Not Purity any way. She's a vet and likely already convicted and just escaped.
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If she had escaped before then the PRT would already know who she is and thus make this action even more insane considering they would have to justify not arresting her before this despite her being a fugitive on the run and a publicly known address.


As for the rest. Guards, not outed, and not criminals.
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and ones that can't afford full time guards for their family? Especially considering most guards would be worth less than nothing against parahumans as they make the target easier to find.
 
chibipoe said:
"Our own secrets, Eric," Crystal said, her voice a touch chilly. "But being part of New Wave doesn't mean we run around giving out everyone else's secrets, if we learn them. We can't force people to take our view of things."
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Hey Eric? you want to go around risking getting people killed, that's fine. Do it yourself, don't encourage others to do it.

chibipoe said:
I paused with my spoon in my mouth, frowning as the scene flooded into my head abruptly.
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Adorable Eldritch said:
I'm guessing that vision Taylor got was a split timeline.
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She can't get information from something that doesn't exist, and that's not how Coil's power actually functions, just how it appears to him and the audience. If Coil's guards (acting as enforcers in the area) had accidentally done something to Taylor and caused Coil to drop the 'timeline' because ohgodfire, then he would know, but no one else would.

I'm thinking it might be a bit of info-dumpy from the phoenix force, either as something that happened to Jean (or one of the others, but stuff from Jean seems to be cropping up already so it's the most likely), or it's showing her what could have happened if they had moved a little faster/slower and she had accidentally precogged all of the walking in the mall out more then she thought and acted on it without realizing it.
 
Franklymydear said:
Hey Eric? you want to go around risking getting people killed, that's fine. Do it yourself, don't encourage others to do it.



She can't get information from something that doesn't exist, and that's not how Coil's power actually functions, just how it appears to him and the audience. If Coil's guards (acting as enforcers in the area) had accidentally done something to Taylor and caused Coil to drop the 'timeline' because ohgodfire, then he would know, but no one else would.

I'm thinking it might be a bit of info-dumpy from the phoenix force, either as something that happened to Jean (or one of the others, but stuff from Jean seems to be cropping up already so it's the most likely), or it's showing her what could have happened if they had moved a little faster/slower and she had accidentally precogged all of the walking in the mall out more then she thought and acted on it without realizing it.
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She had her own precog going.

Edit:And while Coil isn't simulating timelines,

His actions do have effects that mess with precog.
 
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Seclorum said:
It was in the middle of the street, which implies it wasn't moving with much force to be stopped.

The explosion of force that battered down part of a building, would probably be of more importance.
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...I thought he was talking about the canon bit in GG's interlude where she actually did throw a dumpster at an unpowered normal.

Worm Interlude 2 said:
"Screw you too," she hissed through her teeth. Then she kicked the dumpster below her hard enough to send it flying down the little road. It rotated lazily through the air as it arced towards the retreating figure, the trajectory and rotation barely changing as it knocked him flat. It skidded to a halt three to five yards beyond him, the metal sides of the dumpster squealing and sparking as it scraped against the asphalt.
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Larekko12 said:
Dumpster thing was mistake of the author not getting the scale of that amount of force. It's to be edited.
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Even taking that into account, here's the brief list of injuries Panacea rattled off;

Amy leaned over the man and touched her hand to his cheek, "Slingshot break to his ribs, fractured clavicle, broken mandible, broken scapula, fractured sternum, bruised lung, broken ulna, broken radius -"
"I get the point," Victoria said.
"Do you?" Amy asked. Then she sighed, "I wasn't even halfway down the list.
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Also with the note that this is the sixth time it happened.
 
VolantRedX said:
CPS will remove kids from homes of known criminals all the time. It's not about being a good parent. It's about not letting children grow up in homes where crime is encouraged.
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Funny thing about dealing with mid-level and up capes - their personal reactions have large-scale policy ramifications. When you go after a high-level blaster like Purity, for instance, you have weigh whatever your objective is against the risk of someone who can casually level city blocks flipping their shit. And no, removing a child from a home, NO MATTER HOW BAD THE HOME, is not worth having a Purity-level blaster rampage.
 
Alright folks, I think that's enough on the whole CPS intelligence debate.

Now, in order:

PRT/Protectorate and the Unwritten Rules: Both respect the rules as long as they work for them. The moment the rules don't work in their favor, they give as many shits as Accel!Taylor gave about just about anything. Which is Zero. Big ass firebird plus global Pre-cog knockout means the rules go out the window in favor of finding out what the fuck happened and the Unwritten Rules might as well be Bathroom Scrawl. Quite honestly, the fact that all the Pre-cogs everywhere got a disconnect could have resulted in the freaking Triumvirate showing up, or Contessa showing up looking pissed because all her Paths now lead to "You were incinerated by an all powerful cosmic force, try again."

Glory Girl: Yes she has issues. But because she has issues doesn't mean she isn't capable of basic human capacity for emotion and thought. Plus this is a freaking fiction. If Chibi decides that Glory Girl has some actually redeeming traits, then she does. Please stop trying to cram Canon Glory Girl into the story.

*Also, Hyper-competence is a not a thing in here. Not everyone is a Super Thinker that knows everything is either stupid, pointless, or can emotionally disconnect for the most effective thought process to the most logical conclusion.

I'm not saying this as a Reader. I'm saying this as the Beta for this story. Chibi has tried to say these things, and has for the most part been ignored.

Reasonable debate is cool. It's alright. But this back and forth of "Wrong!" vs "No, Right!" is plenty enough.
 
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kokuenDG said:
Aw. This is nice.

It's kinda like a shout out to Edgar Allen Poe and Monty Oum at the same time.

Also, if Taylor hasn't muffled her voice or anything it's likely that Minako and Catherine will figure out who she is.

Second day out and she's still bad at keeping her secret identity...well, secret.
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its the author/ chibipoe


Taylor, never give up chasing your dreams. Enjoy the story! ~Christa Poe. Beside her name was a tiny hand-drawn raven
 
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