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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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wickedtruth said:
now im curious as to the kind of powers you were worried about breaking the setting considering this is a story that has Taylor as an Avatar of the Phoenix force.
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Oh, it kept wanting to hand them Cosmic Powers as well, is all. Like, that's great and all, but I don't need everyone to have ridiculous cosmic powers.
 
Made some changes to the end bit to make the revelation of identity a bit less awkward.
 
Spectrum said:
Fuckin' hell Victoria, why is this even a dilemma for you?

Stepping back a bit, I mean why seriously is she even *thinking* about telling Dean? He's her on-again, off-again boyfriend. Big whoop. And why does she even vaguely care about the Protectorate's investigation? This just seemed like artificial drama and thinkiiiing from her perspective to me.
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Seriously. How is this even an internal debate? If she really does consider Taylor to be a friend, surely she wouldn't do something that would cause mortal harm on that friend.
 
thatavidreader said:
Seriously. How is this even an internal debate? If she really does consider Taylor to be a friend, surely she wouldn't do something that would cause mortal harm on that friend.
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Mortal Harm? You do know that she's a hero and she actually likes the protectorate and respects their aims? Cape thing aside. The most she has reason to expect would happen is that she'd get support for her trigger event and a job offer. I mean it's not like Taylor is a Villain or that it is in the realm of possibility that Piggot would try any amount of legal dickery while she's Victoria's friend.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
Really? Those two are good at keeping secrets and Victoria is just going through a case of teenager syndrome(must make life a drama as much as possible) and did not actually out Taylor and decided not too. Though Victories might have just outed Taylor accidentally. She probably does not have that many tall brunet friends, and Taylor kinda has a habit forming of outing herself to people who know her every time she goes out.
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I was really talking about Victoria. She'll find a way to justify herself, she always does.
 
personaly im thinking it leads up to Taylor getting outed, which causes her to get killed. Which then results in another fire phoenix as Taylors resurrected and proceeds to beat the holy hell outa coil. cause u know hes the dumbass that did it.
 
Larekko12 said:
Mortal Harm? You do know that she's a hero and she actually likes the protectorate and respects their aims? Cape thing aside. The most she has reason to expect would happen is that she'd get support for her trigger event and a job offer. I mean it's not like Taylor is a Villain or that it is in the realm of possibility that Piggot would try any amount of legal dickery while she's Victoria's friend.
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I'm just sort of baffled at the 'Why is Victoria even agonizing about this?" argument. She's a teenage girl with superpowers, with a boyfriend who has superpower as well and is part of a different team. She's not currently on the outs with him, and respects the goals of his organization, as you said, and she has a newly made friend that she kind of likes, but all the same, there's the possibility that she's responsible for the giant fire bird and can apparently no-sell emotion powers, and she's balancing what she feels is Right against her boyfriend and their relationship against what is right for her newly made friend. Who, when they were a hormone bomb that was a teenager is going to objectively and logically consider everything especially with an issue like that where you have not only relationship issues(both friend and boyfriend) entangled in it, but also what you grew up believing in/being taught, which was full disclosure as far as cape things go. Crystal and Eric were supposed to represent differing views, with Eric's being a bit more extreme in that he thinks ALL capes should be subject to the same rules NW operates on, willing or not and Crystal's being more moderate.

And please don't bring the unwritten rules up. Our examples of them are pretty clear that they're crap and treated that way. The PRT and Protectorate give two shakes about them only when it suits them to. Oh, you're a villain and you found out a hero's identity... ok, you show your id to them or it's the Birdcage for you! Yet when a villain's identity is divulged(more than once), they freely target that villain. See, Purity and then Taylor(they had agents lying in wait in case she came home). When there's a pyrokinetic display bigger than the entire Winslow School building that erupts in the air, they're going to want to know who caused it and would task resources to that. They were more concerned about the idea that she could have violated the Endbringer truce than anything else post Levi. If the rules are supposed to be respected, they'd treat both sides with the same regard and that pretty clearly doesn't happen.
 
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chibipoe said:
I'm just sort of baffled at the 'Why is Victoria even agonizing about this?" argument. She's a teenage girl with superpowers, with a boyfriend who has superpower as well and is part of a different team. She's not currently on the outs with him, and respects the goals of his organization, as you said, and she has a newly made friend that she kind of likes, but all the same, there's the possibility that she's responsible for the giant fire bird and can apparently no-sell emotion powers, and she's balancing what she feels is Right against her boyfriend and their relationship against what is right for her newly made friend. Who, when they were a hormone bomb that was a teenager is going to objectively and logically consider everything especially with an issue like that where you have not only relationship issues(both friend and boyfriend) entangled in it, but also what you grew up believing in/being taught, which was full disclosure as far as cape things go. Crystal and Eric were supposed to represent differing views, with Eric's being a bit more extreme in that he thinks ALL capes should be subject to the same rules NW operates on, willing or not and Crystal's being more moderate.

And please don't bring the unwritten rules up. Our examples of them are pretty clear that they're crap and treated that way. The PRT and Protectorate give two shakes about them only when it suits them to. Oh, you're a villain and you found out a hero's identity... ok, you show your id to them or it's the Birdcage for you! Yet when a villain's identity is divulged(more than once), they freely target that villain. See, Purity and then Taylor(they had agents lying in wait in case she came home). When there's a pyrokinetic display bigger than the entire Winslow School building that erupts in the air, they're going to want to know who caused it and would task resources to that. They were more concerned about the idea that she could have violated the Endbringer truce than anything else post Levi. If the rules are supposed to be respected, they'd treat both sides with the same regard and that pretty clearly doesn't happen.
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Eh. It's more like a M.A.D. by custom with respect to power and reprisal and public concern.

The E88 were screwed as the PRT can't not act when given supervillains on a platter. It would be like not picking up Al Capone when someone gave you perfect verifiable intel on him through every single new outlet.

And Tagg just took the fight to that level.

So they're worth as much gun as you can bring to back them up? Like realpolitik.
 
Larekko12 said:
Eh. It's more like a M.A.D. by custom with respect to power and reprisal and public concern.

The E88 were screwed as the PRT can't not act when given supervillains on a platter. It would be like not picking up Al Capone when someone gave you perfect verifiable intel on him through every single new outlet.

And Tagg just took the fight to that level.

So they're worth as much gun as you can bring to back them up? Like realpolitik.
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I think Purity wouldn't even have taken it to that level had they come after her directly. It was the fact that they snatched her daughter that really set her off, I think. I don't think she would have gone on a rampage quite like that if they hadn't backed Social Services in taking her daughter away. But they didn't come after her, no they snuck in while she was elsewhere and snatched her daughter, which made her blow her top. (and was a REALLy stupid thing for them to do). So, pre-Tagg we have them showing examples of only giving attention to them as they please and attacking however they can.

Basically, if there's not an Endbringer situation... I don't think the rules are given anywhere near the weight fanon assigns to them.
 
Larekko12 said:
Mortal Harm? You do know that she's a hero and she actually likes the protectorate and respects their aims?
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I wouldn't call someone who routinely cripples/near murders others with impunity thanks to her mindraped sister's power to be a "hero." She just uses the mantle of being a hero as a cover to beat out her teenage aggression without moral qualms.

Shadowcub said:
I was really talking about Victoria. She'll find a way to justify herself, she always does.
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Exactly. Victoria's arrogance and egomania has been nurtured by her mindrape aura since her formative years, with her family worshipping her feet from a very young age.

The only reason Victoria's taken a liking to Taylor is because Taylor's responding differently to Victoria's usual behavior thanks to Phoenix Power immunity. Just like how new consumer products gain increased popularity thanks to their novelty, Victoria's shallow attraction to Taylor is only due to the novelty of seeing someone not grovel immediately before her.

Given Victoria's typical behavior, it is inevitable that she will betray Taylor's trust as soon as that novelty wears off, and Taylor somehow is not worshipping her like everyone else she mindraped.
 
VolantRedX said:
That was only because it was an Endbringer battle and you know it.
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Well, granted, but we don't know what options they presented to the person that Legend used as an example when he was giving Skitter her options. We don't know the circumstances of the situation whether it was an EB battle then as well(I think it was implied not, but Legend doesn't go into detail beyond what is needed to outline her choices)

Basically, like I said. I don't they pay lip-service to them, but the Protectorate & PRT clearly have compunctions about using information against the villains so if someone outed the heroes in the same fashion... well, i don't see how they can really have grounds to stand if the villains pulled a stunt where they came in and took Legend's adopted kid away while he was out. Sure, taking Aster had legal backing, but they had no way to determine that Kayden was a bad mother. They weren't judging based on her actions as a parenting figure, they were just taking Aster because Purity had done bad things, not whether she was incapable of, or was a shitty parent.
 
thatavidreader said:
I wouldn't call someone who routinely cripples/near murders others with impunity thanks to her mindraped sister's power to be a "hero." She just uses the mantle of being a hero as a cover to beat out her teenage aggression without moral qualms.


Exactly. Victoria's arrogance and egomania has been nurtured by her mindrape aura since her formative years, with her family worshipping her feet from a very young age.

The only reason Victoria's taken a liking to Taylor is because Taylor's responding differently to Victoria's usual behavior thanks to Phoenix Power immunity. Just like how new consumer products gain increased popularity thanks to their novelty, Victoria's shallow attraction to Taylor is only due to the novelty of seeing someone not grovel immediately before her.

Given Victoria's typical behavior, it is inevitable that she will betray Taylor's trust as soon as that novelty wears off, and Taylor somehow is not worshipping her like everyone else she mindraped.
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Ok, no. First of all, the effects of her aura on her family are going to wildly vary. Her parents are grown and aren't exposed to her aura WHILE enduring chemical changes in their bodies(aka puberty). Taken to that conclusion, then the Dallons would be a hotbed of incest and I don't see any stories showing Brandish or her dad lusting after her daughter. (Well, maybe QQ has them, but let's not go there).
 
thatavidreader said:
I wouldn't call someone who routinely cripples/near murders others with impunity thanks to her mindraped sister's power to be a "hero.
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You do realize those people are criminals right? Drug dealers and rapists and so forth. They deserved what they got.

thatavidreader said:
Exactly. Victoria's arrogance and egomania has been nurtured by her mindrape aura since her formative years, with her family worshipping her feet from a very young age.

The only reason Victoria's taken a liking to Taylor is because Taylor's responding differently to Victoria's usual behavior thanks to Phoenix Power immunity. Just like how new consumer products gain increased popularity thanks to their novelty, Victoria's shallow attraction to Taylor is only due to the novelty of seeing someone not grovel immediately before her.

Given Victoria's typical behavior, it is inevitable that she will betray Taylor's trust as soon as that novelty wears off, and Taylor somehow is not worshipping her like everyone else she mindraped.
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Well that's certainly a rational character analysis and not at all bashing.

chibipoe said:
Sure, taking Aster had legal backing, but they had no way to determine that Kayden was a bad mother. They weren't judging based on her actions as a parenting figure, they were just taking Aster because Purity had done bad things, not whether she was incapable of, or was a shitty parent.
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CPS will remove kids from homes of known criminals all the time. It's not about being a good parent. It's about not letting children grow up in homes where crime is encouraged.
 
chibipoe said:
I'm just sort of baffled at the 'Why is Victoria even agonizing about this?" argument.
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Honestly I think the tack you have taken with it is just fine.

Children of her age, rarely make important decisions easily.

And I like you showing her conflict with it. Shes trying to make the right decision but it's a choice between helping her boyfriend uphold the law and order, and her budding friendship with someone who doesn't just drop to the floor in awe of her.
 
VolantRedX said:
You do realize those people are criminals right? Drug dealers and rapists and so forth. They deserved what they got.


Well that's certainly a rational character analysis and not at all bashing.


CPS will remove kids from homes of known criminals all the time. It's not about being a good parent. It's about not letting children grow up in homes where crime is encouraged.
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Oh granted. But from an objective standpoint, where's the evidence that crime is encouraged?, is my point. It isn't like they sit at the dinner table and twirl their moustaches(fabulous ones, natch!) and teach their kids about being evil. You can be a terrible person and a fantastic parent at the same time.

(Plus, you can't tell me they wouldn't have dangled Aster as leverage to rein Purity in had they gotten the opportunity.)

I've already voiced my thoughts on the other things you replied to, so no need to repeat them.
 
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