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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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OverReactionGuy said:
I don't think Taylor even met Circus in this story. I think your talking about Rune.

Though, while it may raise some eyebrows so to speak, it was in circumstances beyond Taylor's control. Though it might be pushing it to claim self defence and the defence of others, maybe temporary insanity? I don't know. I'm tired right now. >.>
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Workplace hazard. If those 40+ mercs wanted to live a long and happy life, they shouldn't have accepted a job offer from a supervillain.
 
PRT/Protectorate really don't have anything to go on from here. Sure they might escalate things but damaged audio recording of confrontation isn't evidence of anything.

Also, they would have really hard time to explain judge how drugged up and underfed teenager who don't remember anything thanks to said drugs went on calculated mass murder rampage in villains lair.

Heh, now Glenn is going on forward with his plans, which probably backfire. When we add Brownbeat/Clements situation, that can make Taylor even more angry and disillusioned of system when she find out about it, shit is really going to hit the fan.

Not to mention all the other nice little things like Armsmaster little spying in school or the totally illegal interview of minors without parent present and leaving them confined in room after telling to one she would be free to go if she talked.
 
Anyone else think that Armsmaster is going to present the Mass Killing as something Coil was responsible for?

It makes sense to blame the secretive Super-Villain on site for the dead bodies. Not to mention Sirin wouldn't be a first guess because her MO is more blunt force TK, not decapitation by blowing up heads (the giant fireball can be pined on her, though, if Armsmaster does get everyone to connect her to the Phoinex that Appeared over Winslow).
 
Airier said:
Anyone else think that Armsmaster is going to present the Mass Killing as something Coil was responsible for?

It makes sense to blame the secretive Super-Villain on site for the dead bodies. Not to mention Sirin wouldn't be a first guess because her MO is more blunt force TK, not decapitation by blowing up heads (the giant fireball can be pined on her, though, if Armsmaster does get everyone to connect her to the Phoinex that Appeared over Winslow).
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Either that or he'd be looking at the legal defenses which logically exist in the Worm-verse. Say being placed in life-or-death situations.

Why? You can defend yourself with lethal force in the U.S. under certain circumstances - being taken prisoner, enslaved, drugged to the gills, and threatened with military-grade weaponry could qualify. Combine that with the "Coil went after my civilian identity" defense in the court of public opinion and there's a good chance Sirin can escape the full weight of the law.

(She might get probation or some kind of punishment, but she might not get life in prison, the Birdcage, or the death penalty.)

If Taylor knows that they know that she fought her way out and Taylor knows that they accept her reasons for doing so .. well, that might start the process of building some trust with her. That's something they've been trying *cough*failing*cough* to do for most of this story. Anyone want to lay odds they'd at least consider that opportunity?
 
I wonder how freaked out PRT would be when they realise that Taylor TK bypass the Manton Effect entirely.

As in "pop your head like a balloon" bypass
 
Nicholai said:
Either that or he'd be looking at the legal defenses which logically exist in the Worm-verse. Say being placed in life-or-death situations.

Why? You can defend yourself with lethal force in the U.S. under certain circumstances - being taken prisoner, enslaved, drugged to the gills, and threatened with military-grade weaponry could qualify. Combine that with the "Coil went after my civilian identity" defense in the court of public opinion and there's a good chance Sirin can escape the full weight of the law.

(She might get probation or some kind of punishment, but she might not get life in prison, the Birdcage, or the death penalty.)

If Taylor knows that they know that she fought her way out and Taylor knows that they accept her reasons for doing so .. well, that might start the process of building some trust with her. That's something they've been trying *cough*failing*cough* to do for most of this story. Anyone want to lay odds they'd at least consider that opportunity?
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I hope they consider this.:(
 
Nicholai said:
.. are you actually surprised that your fans enjoy your work so much they have unrealistic hopes as to your writing speed?

Thanks for sharing your writing with us, by the way.
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I mean, I could do two updates, but we'd get a long gap between an update and the two, so I'd rather keep to my rough schedule of one every week(more or less). This one took a bit longer as I was tweaking it and 4.1 may be a bit behind while I plot it out a bit more thoroughly. But still within that rough schedule.
 
chibipoe said:
I mean, I could do two updates, but we'd get a long gap between an update and the two, so I'd rather keep to my rough schedule of one every week(more or less). This one took a bit longer as I was tweaking it and 4.1 may be a bit behind while I plot it out a bit more thoroughly. But still within that rough schedule.
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Cloning is the way! You can do everything!
 
I wonder how the second timeline of Coil did look like. Didn't he stay at home in alternate timeline, while interrogating Taylor / Sirin in the other?
POV of Coil would be a nice Interlude.
 
Nicholai said:
(She might get probation or some kind of punishment, but she might not get life in prison, the Birdcage, or the death penalty.)
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With the way they have been so far, it would make perfect sense for PRT to jump on this chance to try and force Sirin to fully join the Wards (or else). Would be a nice change if Armsmaster does try to protect Taylor after all the screwups, and especially so if he does not use it to try and get her to join. If Taylor discovered telepathically that Armsmaster had protected her and not tried to guilt-trip her with that (or even revealed it), then I could indeed see that having an effect.


Another random thought. Wonder how much information Lisa managed to acquire? There was some mention of her fleeing after having salvaged what she could, and I would assume that means information. What exactly was Calverts relation to the PRT anyway? If Lisas information contained the truth about Calvert/Coil and it was released, how damaging would it be (if at all)?

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ShadeHawk said:
I wonder how the second timeline of Coil did look like. Didn't he stay at home in alternate timeline, while interrogating Taylor / Sirin in the other?
POV of Coil would be a nice Interlude.
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We already know that Taylor even without active Phoenix could see into the other timeline. I would assume that either Phoenix!Taylor forced a collapse of the other timeline, or just killed the other Coil with a long range head explodery or somesuch, leaving just one.
 
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Datakim said:
With the way they have been so far, it would make perfect sense for PRT to jump on this chance to try and force Sirin to fully join the Wards (or else). Would be a nice change if Armsmaster does try to protect Taylor after all the screwups, and especially so if he does not use it to try and get her to join. If Taylor discovered telepathically that Armsmaster had protected her and not tried to guilt-trip her with that (or even revealed it), then I could indeed see that having an effect.


Another random thought. Wonder how much information Lisa managed to acquire? There was some mention of her fleeing after having salvaged what she could, and I would assume that means information. What exactly was Calverts relation to the PRT anyway? If Lisas information contained the truth about Calvert/Coil and it was released, how damaging would it be (if at all)?

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We already know that Taylor even without active Phoenix could see into the other timeline. I would assume that either Phoenix!Taylor forced a collapse of the other timeline, or just killed the other Coil with a long range head explodery or somesuch, leaving just one.
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The PRT has tried force with Taylor. It has only been making things worse. Given that she can fly and just run away from the city, they need to try something else.

As for Coil - being stuck in a base with a ticked off Phoenix is a losing proposition. Telepathy means she always knows where you are. In either timeline she'd be taking the shortest-distance path between them. She doesn't need to collapse a timeline - and given how "mildly vengeful" Phoenix is in the comics, she/it might have actually wanted him to suffer (mental stress, fear) while he's trying to run away.. because she/it knows he can't escape.

Edit: By Phoenix I mean the Force, not Jean Grey. Just realized I was failing to be clear .. whoops!
 
I wonder if the room which Lisa was managed to stay somewhat intact. If so, then the Protectorate investigation team finds remains of restraints with nice cutting tool taken from dead merc with Sarah Livsey's fingerprints all over it.
 
Nicholai said:
The PRT has tried force with Taylor. It has only been making things worse. Given that she can fly and just run away from the city, they need to try something else.
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Yeah, however there has been clear limits to their approach. Taylor has/had not committed any crimes, so there would have been limits on how far they could go. However if there was solid proof that Taylor killed 40+ people by making their heads explode? Well, no doubt some in PRT think this is something that could be used to enforce things by basically making it a "join us" or "go to jail", with no other options.
 
Datakim said:
Yeah, however there has been clear limits to their approach. Taylor has/had not committed any crimes, so there would have been limits on how far they could go. However if there was solid proof that Taylor killed 40+ people by making their heads explode? Well, no doubt some in PRT think this is something that could be used to enforce things by basically making it a "join us" or "go to jail", with no other options.
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If they find proof of that, they'll also find proof that she was a hostage at the same site. The PRT has no leverage over someone who committed justifiable homicide in self-defense.
 
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Nicholai said:
Either that or he'd be looking at the legal defenses which logically exist in the Worm-verse. Say being placed in life-or-death situations.

Why? You can defend yourself with lethal force in the U.S. under certain circumstances - being taken prisoner, enslaved, drugged to the gills, and threatened with military-grade weaponry could qualify. Combine that with the "Coil went after my civilian identity" defense in the court of public opinion and there's a good chance Sirin can escape the full weight of the law.

(She might get probation or some kind of punishment, but she might not get life in prison, the Birdcage, or the death penalty.)

If Taylor knows that they know that she fought her way out and Taylor knows that they accept her reasons for doing so .. well, that might start the process of building some trust with her. That's something they've been trying *cough*failing*cough* to do for most of this story. Anyone want to lay odds they'd at least consider that opportunity?
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I like your idea. The only problem I can see with it is Taylor. She'd have to give the PRT or Protectorate the time of day and, unless something changes (which it might), that doesn't seem like something she's going to do.

Sure, her Telepathy could straighten out most communication problems. But her mind reading powers are in the same boat as her Pre-Cog: useless if she doesn't decide to use them (or remember to when stressed (heck, the fact that she's starting to read people despite herself might actually help her in the long run)).

SwiftRosenthal said:
If they find proof of that, they'll also find proof that she was a hostage at the same site. The PRT has no leverage over someone who committed justifiable homicide in self-defense.
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That, and publicly wrangling her into submission with charges like that, success would actually be a worse outcome for the PRT and Protectorate (because they'd inherit an uncooperative member who could lightly be called a public relations nightmare on their team). If they do try to use this event in their favor, it'll probably be along the lines of helping her keep it quiet. This outcome is actually in both parties favor because neither side benefits from the public knowing what happened (for the PRT/Protectorate it's a PR issue. For Taylor it's a way to keep the other players from looking at her as TOO dangerous to let be. This might not be a problem for her, but there are people she cares about who wouldn't do well with the gangs gunning for them).

Although, since Taylor doesn't trust authority farther than she can (non-TK) throw it, I doubt she'll take any type of approach the PRT come up with favorably.

Personally, though, I don't think the PRT will use this even to strong arm Taylor. But I can easily see her expecting them to do it.

If there was a betting pool on how quickly she freaks out when the Hero's approach her... Well, I know where my money (all 23 cents!) would be.
 
Datakim said:
Yeah, however there has been clear limits to their approach. Taylor has/had not committed any crimes, so there would have been limits on how far they could go. However if there was solid proof that Taylor killed 40+ people by making their heads explode? Well, no doubt some in PRT think this is something that could be used to enforce things by basically making it a "join us" or "go to jail", with no other options.
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You are forgetting several other options. I'm sure the PRT won't point them out to Taylor but they certainly will realize she can figure them out on her own. They are "run away", "join up with a villain group for protection", "make their heads explode". Considering they are starting to realize she may be endbringer level powers they are going to view those all as things she can possibly do in response to such an threat.

Even with just her manton-free TK is enough to kill off the entire BB branch of the Protectorate as they lack any brutes who have passive durability or strangers to avoid being targeted.
 
Query: I require examples of half-formed thoughts. Nothing explicit, but I'll allow some off-color. Just like random thoughts you have through the day. 1 per person each. Some will even make it into 4.1.

Ok, I think I have enough! Thanks, everyone. :)
 
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chibipoe said:
Query: I require examples of half-formed thoughts. Nothing explicit, but I'll allow some off-color. Just like random thoughts you have through the day. 1 per person each. Some will even make it into 4.1.
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"Dear god dont let this screw up..." *When Flushing a toilet*

You never know when it's just not going to work right and you always hope that it does... but sometimes... sometimes...
 
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