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chibipoe said:
Has no one seriously worked out a reasonable means that he might capture and keep captured a precognitive with telekinesis?
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I think some of it is that the writer knows the ins and outs of their characters and their powers better than the audience. So there might be a loophole there.
OverReactionGuy said:
like regent taking over her body
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That would be incredibly fucked up, but okay.

Also he can't body-snatch someone while they're unconscious, so it wouldn't work on it's own, unless that's part of the AU. Which would be unfair for us to guess :p
21.3 said:
"I'm going to ask you a question later, and I'll have my arms folded. I want you to lie."
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"Regent, you can use your power on unconscious people, right?" I asked.

Regent shrugged, "Obviously."

There was the lie.
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Datakim said:
Blackmail perhaps?
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Blackmail and threats that he precommits to enacting--Dinah has shown that those could be almost as effective as actually doing them.

But it requires having the right knowledge, the right levers, and worst of all, it's reactive, it doesn't actively stop the threat.
chibipoe said:
Taylor's precog will continue to work even drugged... but the concentration for telekinesis would be beyond her. So, all he'd have to do is keep her balanced so that she still responds to external stimuli(i.e., he asks a question) but not so much that she's capable of escape.
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This sounds definitive. Are you outright telling us?

Assuming it is...tinkertech drugs. Okay, fair in this setting. And like I said, because you know the character better than we do. I guess I assumed telekinesis didn't take so much focus for her anymore. It would be a convenient option, and a narrow eye to thread, dosage-wise. Though again, tinkertech.

Might combine two options, and have the drugs keep her whacked out until Regent finishes Mastering her. Though he wouldn't be able to leave her in a sealed room like they did to Shatterbird. Since his power doesn't work while he's sleeping, I mean.
21.3 said:
"For me, his power over me shorts out when I use my power, and that's any time he slips up or goes to sleep. Then he forgets who I am, and I'm free to come after him and fuck him up."
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Or, it sounds like it does, at least...weird/incorrect grammar if she meant when she goes to sleep.
 
Well, if Regent gets a hold of her and actually manages to keep that hold, she's pretty much up shit creek for awhile. He can just make her drug herself, after all, when he heads off to sleep.
 
(If someone already asked this, I apologize in advance.)

So, when Coil wakes her up in one timeline while keeping her drugged under in the other (which I could be completely wrong about), would the still drugged Taylor get woken up by the alternate timeline?
 
I'm kind of confused on what Regent mastering Taylor's body will do exactly? So she cant move on her own, her TK takes care of that. Has everyone forgotten she can project emotions, and has done it very successfully in the past? That right there will screw anything Regent could do because he requires a bit of concentration. And that is another way out, so she is lucid enough to answer questions but not enough to concentrate on TK, well she didn't need concentration to broadcast emotions, just concentration to control it enough to target only specific people.
 
Nobody knows she can project emotions.
Does Coil know she can observe alternate timelines?
 
chibipoe said:
Taylor's precog will continue to work even drugged... but the concentration for telekinesis would be beyond her. So, all he'd have to do is keep her balanced so that she still responds to external stimuli(i.e., he asks a question) but not so much that she's capable of escape.
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This is assuming she requires specific concentration to use her TK, and doesn't require such active concentration for useful precognition. While the former might be true I seem to have missed the part where Coil discovered that to be the case and so far in the story her precognition requires concentration to be used as more than a short ranged 'danger sense'.

Unlike Dinah where once she was captured keeping her contained was a low risk high reward scenerio Taylor appears to be a high risk, low reward scenario. And that's assuming she was only a precog with freeform TK.
 
Airier said:
(If someone already asked this, I apologize in advance.)

So, when Coil wakes her up in one timeline while keeping her drugged under in the other (which I could be completely wrong about), would the still drugged Taylor get woken up by the alternate timeline?
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Very likely. And she would probably be drugged in both timelines.
 
Lordamnesia said:
I'm kind of confused on what Regent mastering Taylor's body will do exactly? So she cant move on her own, her TK takes care of that. Has everyone forgotten she can project emotions, and has done it very successfully in the past? That right there will screw anything Regent could do because he requires a bit of concentration. And that is another way out, so she is lucid enough to answer questions but not enough to concentrate on TK, well she didn't need concentration to broadcast emotions, just concentration to control it enough to target only specific people.
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It depends... did Cherish's emotion projecting power affect Regent? Remember, he's basically emotion dead from overexposure to Heartbreaker's power, so it might not affect him at all.
 
I'm predicting that coil doesn't get the answers he thinks he will get from Taylor.

Taylor isn't like Dinah, she doesn't have a compulsion to spit out accurate numbers to ridiculous decimal places.
 
TheUnicorn said:
This is assuming she requires specific concentration to use her TK, and doesn't require such active concentration for useful precognition. While the former might be true I seem to have missed the part where Coil discovered that to be the case and so far in the story her precognition requires concentration to be used as more than a short ranged 'danger sense'.

Unlike Dinah where once she was captured keeping her contained was a low risk high reward scenerio Taylor appears to be a high risk, low reward scenario. And that's assuming she was only a precog with freeform TK.
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Coil obviously believes he has a work around for this. And if he were dealing with what he thinks she is, he'd probably be right and he judges the risk worth the reward....

Unfortunately, there's crucial information he(nobody) knows and that's his error.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
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I... really can't stress just how much of your post I was completely forgetting about.

Like that the Travelers are villains. Stuff that obvious.

I'll blame the late night posting, but thanks for spelling it out for me.

chibipoe said:
Has no one seriously worked out a reasonable means that he might capture and keep captured a precognitive with telekinesis? It was one of the first things I worked out when I started.
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Drug her water supply with an incredibly powerful tinkered up sedative that has an hour long activation time.

No bombs. No big attention grabbing stunt.

But I think that the reason people can't think of ways to keep her contained is because there's a difference between what Coil knows and what we know regarding Taylor's set-everything-on-fire-ness.

Candymancer said:
Imagine this scene happening in Coil's base
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Coil's base is underground.

That's going to be one hell of a hole.
 
chibipoe said:
Coil obviously believes he has a work around for this. And if he were dealing with what he thinks she is, he'd probably be right and he judges the risk worth the reward....
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I really hope you show why he thinks that in the story, because while I have no problem buying Coil having a method to contain someone with short ranged precog and unhampered TK having him decide to do so is quite a bit harder to accept.
 
Honestly, I'm still a bit iffy about why Coil would even bother to try. Even if his anti-Taylor measure worked perfectly, there is always the risk that if it fails, if only for a moment, all hell breaks lose. At least Noelle could be (theoretically) contained by collapsing the entire base on top of her as a last resort. With Taylor's demonstrated levels of precog and telekinesis, that wouldn't work.

In canon, Coil is depicted as being cautious to the extreme, staying in the shadows and using his power, people, and PRT connections to figure out the perfect time and place to strike. In this story, he just captured a known precog who also happens to be a member of the Wards (at least nominally; the PRT can't just let her disappear anyway) with several witnesses (some of which are independent heroes) in broad daylight who is also very much capable of defending herself unless everything goes perfectly fine. This is really bold and, in my opinion, just a little too risky for Coil to try. Couldn't he have waited until at least Hanabi and Rockshow have gone home for the night before heading in? If there was some reason why he couldn't (probably involving Tattletale the walking Doommagnet), maybe it's a good idea to explain that at some point with, say, a Coil POV.
 
Blackhole1 said:
In this story, he just captured a known precog
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She isn't a known precog though. Vicky knows, as do Cath & Mina... and then TT/Coil. The PRT is unaware of this fact. They know she's got some sort of thinker ability + large scale tk and suspect some sort of pyro, but have no evidence of her using such a power.
 
What are the odds everything ends the way Firestarter did? No Phoenix manifestation but Taylor going full pyro? And even outdoing Sundancer in the process? All while flinging everyone around with TK and snapping necks?
 
Blackhole1 said:
Honestly, I'm still a bit iffy about why Coil would even bother to try. Even if his anti-Taylor measure worked perfectly, there is always the risk that if it fails, if only for a moment, all hell breaks lose. At least Noelle could be (theoretically) contained by collapsing the entire base on top of her as a last resort. With Taylor's demonstrated levels of precog and telekinesis, that wouldn't work.
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That risk could be largely mitigated through the use of various fail-deadly systems. Whether it's worth the effort is another question, but Coil clearly believes it is.

As far as Noelle goes, he could easily check that his precautions would work by using Dinah or simply testing them in an alternate timeline.
 
TheUnicorn said:
I really hope you show why he thinks that in the story, because while I have no problem buying Coil having a method to contain someone with short ranged precog and unhampered TK having him decide to do so is quite a bit harder to accept.
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I shall endeavor to explain that in upcoming installments.
 
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