Am I the only one unilaterally on the side of Taylor?
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Well, not really. E88 had to be stopped, no one is questioning that, but she let Cricket's goading get to her and went too far in the end (everything past the spit on the face). Everything up to then was fine-ish.
So, Phoenix has some ruffled feathers over the last time with Cricket, and is just as happy as Taylor to deal in absolutes. IIRC, Phoenix has a good chunk of mood/emotion amplification to help its host run 'hot' and keep wanting to access it, even if on a subconscious level. That, along with Taylor's current...displeasure, leaves a little to be desired in terms of restraint.
Lisa seems utterly nonchalant, which is odd, considering that A) her power is either failing her in Taylor's bad mood (which she was getting not-perfect reads on before, to be fair) or she's ignoring it in favor of juicy gossip, and B)Taylor knowing about the guards, IIRC, was at least some form of clue to her a chapter or two back that Coil wasn't on the up and up.
If she wants to get Taylor to fight Coil for her, why is she still playing up the smug insufferable act, rather than the smug 'I can help you out, if you'll watch my back' act?
There is the threat that Coil's already actively watching Taylor, so she has to be careful (not to mention how much of an unknown quantity Taylor is), but after seeing the strength of telekinesis, as long as she can get confirmation of Taylor beating Coil's simulation/split timeline, she should be not fumbling this badly, imo.
Up until the Cricket smashing, she's probably okay. After that...not so much.
Also....
Better hope no one else is listening.....
Eh....I don't know about that, other than the aforementioned Cricket smashing, which is a large cause for concern. I think (at least partially) the fact that no one is going to leave her alone as a potential rogue at this point. If she's powerful enough to beat up 4 E88 members at once, she's just shot up in notoriety.
Lisa seems utterly nonchalant, which is odd, considering that A) her power is either failing her in Taylor's bad mood (which she was getting not-perfect reads on before, to be fair) or she's ignoring it in favor of juicy gossip, and B)Taylor knowing about the guards, IIRC, was at least some form of clue to her a chapter or two back that Coil wasn't on the up and up.
If she wants to get Taylor to fight Coil for her, why is she still playing up the smug insufferable act, rather than the smug 'I can help you out, if you'll watch my back' act?
There is the threat that Coil's already actively watching Taylor, so she has to be careful (not to mention how much of an unknown quantity Taylor is), but after seeing the strength of telekinesis, as long as she can get confirmation of Taylor beating Coil's simulation/split timeline, she should be not fumbling this badly, imo.
Up until the Cricket smashing, she's probably okay. After that...not so much.
Also....
Better hope no one else is listening.....
Eh....I don't know about that, other than the aforementioned Cricket smashing, which is a large cause for concern. I think (at least partially) the fact that no one is going to leave her alone as a potential rogue at this point. If she's powerful enough to beat up 4 E88 members at once, she's just shot up in notoriety.
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BrokenAscendent
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Nazis.
Deserve it.
InfiniteFreedom
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Yeah, Taylor ain't staying away from the Rig this time.
Lordamnesia
What are we doing again?
Actually, she's not. Tattletale's trying to be upfront and forthwith with the info, but Taylor is majorly distrusting of... well almost everyone. Oh sure, Lisa started that way when they first met, but that's changed a lot from then. And now she really, really, REALLY wants Taylor's help to get away from Coil.
Like they give a damn about anyone. They only care when they want you under their thumb. Honestly if only for story purposes which I can accept Taylor staying in BB when she has nothing to hold her there. Minako and Catherine want to use her as much as Coil, Lisa, and the PRT.
Everybody knows her name and wants something from her.
Battery is right, but Piggot can have a dozen fits, she somehow shoehorns Taylor into the wards. Its one thing to be signed into something against your will, its another to make you do anything beyond sit on your ass. Frankly Taylor should ditch BB and show up when she's adult age.
Piggot can have a dozen fits but really if she could get Taylor into the wards, she would be nothing more than another weapon to use against the gangs and she wouldn't care about excessive force.
Cricket got what she deserved, she poked Taylor (the tiger) with a pointy stick and got her butt lite up.
So glad to see this update.
I don't see Taylor going in. She doesn't want to go, and smashing the empire isn't going to change that view. She technically managed to stop them from getting away and provided a valuable service. If you look at her attitude by the end it looks like its only reinforcing her original judgement and decision. Was she excessive yes, but she will likely rationalize that away for future notice. This is going to be the event that DOES cause the PRT to escalate, which is going to cause her to likely end up in open conflict with the PRT, whether this be through actual combat or Media.
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Uhhh, no.
Don't you know, when you upset someone more powerful than you, anything that happens to you afterwards is justified.
/sarcasm
I imagine that Taylor is going to have a few strong opinions of her own on the criminal negligence of letting Cricket's prisoner transport go unescorted and so easily intercepted.
Though this should also alert Piggot that she has to step softly because if she tries to strong-arm Taylor and Taylor berserks, no one in the local Protectorate is actually capable of stopping her. She has after all just proven herself to be the second-strongest cape in the city after Lung (who took on the entire E88).
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Spectrum
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Who are you talking about here? Cricket was too far, but as far as anyone else knows she legitimately doesn't have much in the way of options to capture Hookwolf, Fenja, or Menja. Acceptable use of force is entirely different when Brutes are involved. It's either maim them or let them run away.
Yes and no. Tattletale's still doing her usual Tattletale act:
Smug.
Not reading her as a hero.
Blatant lies.
BrokenAscendent
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Prt, not E88
Nice update.
I checked out who Cricket was again. Underground fighter and buddy of Hookwolf. You know the guy who is going to go straight to the Birdcage? Cricket tried to kill Taylor in the last chapter and discovered her identity when Taylor used her power to defend herself. Not to mention that Taylor was introduced to these guys in the chapter before the last by almost being killed by them. If not for her Precog Taylor would be a head shorter before she even knew there was something going on.
After all that responding to goading the way Taylor did is perfectly understandable if not desireable. And if the Protectorate and PRT are alright with having Nazis run around killing people then they can damn well suck it up. Taylor shouldn't have beaten Cricket the way she did. Taylor should talk to someone and get her head straightend out. However the PRT and Protectorate are not qualified for this and are not in the running anyway because of how they goofed up during the story.
I checked out who Cricket was again. Underground fighter and buddy of Hookwolf. You know the guy who is going to go straight to the Birdcage? Cricket tried to kill Taylor in the last chapter and discovered her identity when Taylor used her power to defend herself. Not to mention that Taylor was introduced to these guys in the chapter before the last by almost being killed by them. If not for her Precog Taylor would be a head shorter before she even knew there was something going on.
After all that responding to goading the way Taylor did is perfectly understandable if not desireable. And if the Protectorate and PRT are alright with having Nazis run around killing people then they can damn well suck it up. Taylor shouldn't have beaten Cricket the way she did. Taylor should talk to someone and get her head straightend out. However the PRT and Protectorate are not qualified for this and are not in the running anyway because of how they goofed up during the story.
Nope. That was fantastic. Besdies given the amount of damage they'd all do in the future if not stopped some collateral damage to put them down is pretty acceptable.
And on the Cricket beatdown.... well it wasn't exactly a good thing, but can't really hold it against Taylor. And well Cricket is a homicidal Nazi. And Taylor isn't a police officer so she isn't exactly held to the standards expected there.
Pretty sure he took on E88 as well.
Logic dictates he must have or they would have never settled into any kind of uneasy balance.
Err... what?
Tisaku
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Therefore the carnage was entirely justified. However the continued beating of Cricket was a bad choice, Taylor should have just rotated a vertebra and be done with her.
OverReactionGuy
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Considering that they were trying to A, kill Taylor. B, break out the person that knows her identity and tried to kill her. C, Would more than likely try to force Taylor into the E88 when Cricket tells people about her secret identity.
The PRT can just stuff it.
It's their damn fault for never having an escort for their damn prisoners to prevent this bullshit from happening.
Taylor just put 4 homicidal Nazi in jail. And the PRT will more than likely do this shit again and let them be broken free.
Sure she went a little to far, but considering Cricket wanted to take off her head, I don't really give a damn.
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Honestly the way this entire thing has been being set up, I will welcome a damn Phoenix rampage.
The PRT can just stuff it.
It's their damn fault for never having an escort for their damn prisoners to prevent this bullshit from happening.
Taylor just put 4 homicidal Nazi in jail. And the PRT will more than likely do this shit again and let them be broken free.
Sure she went a little to far, but considering Cricket wanted to take off her head, I don't really give a damn.
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Honestly the way this entire thing has been being set up, I will welcome a damn Phoenix rampage.
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Hachichiyyin
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This is why revenge is a dish best served cold. If you want to heap retribution on someone, make sure it can't be traced back to you.
Taylor could have used her powers to subtly maim Cricket.
Smashing her face in was... a bit too obvious, whether she deserved it or not.
ps: lol, just saw your pseudo & avatar. Your post fits perfectly.
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Yep, *Points up* I completely agree.
Wolfman217
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No, I am too, I think she's completely right with what she's doing. The world is slowly ending even without Zion going Apocalyptic, and the PRT's and Protectorates response is to constantly use Kid gloves and consistently let Villains escape. Worm seriously needs a Punisher type Vigilante. She said it herself she's managed to damage the local Nazi's more in an hour than the Heroes have in 20 years and now they're trying to strong-arm and guilt her into using kid gloves on murderers. Danny's a dick and Taylor has every right not to want to join the Wards and to be as brutal as she likes on bad guys, because in the end if they don't take a harsher approach to Villains those people who could die or be injured as collateral damage in her fights are going to die anyway.
And before anyone says they need Villains to fight Endbringers think about it:
1) Most Villains don't fight in endbringer fights, only the rare ones that have some morals and if the endbringer is attacking their city, and even then a good chunk run.
2) Those that actually do don't actually make much of a difference, they're just cannon fodder.
3) Most people become Villains because they know the Heroes will never actually hurt them and if they get captured they can escape quite easily, so a lot less people will become Villains if they get utterly destroyed by Heroes, killed if they're E88 level (as in they have killed etc) and they can't be captured easily, or very seriously injured if they're not that level, more Undersider's level. No way would Grue, Regent etc be a villain if they knew it ran the risk of being beaten to within an inch of death by the Heroes, and then while they recover being in thrown into a pit slightly bellow the level of the Birdcage in terms of in-escape-ability. The Politicians would not like it but in the end they would have a lot better PR with the general public if they took a harsher approach to Villains.
There's just no actual downside to being a Villain in Worm, all the risks of being a Villain are pretty much the same for being a Hero, but the Heroes have even more risk. At least in DC you run the risk of being beaten to a bloody pulp by Batman, or being Horrifically killed by Red Hood, same with the Punisher in Marvel.
I don't get why anyone would actually want to be a Hero in Worm, Vigilante yes, but according to the Authorities your not a Hero if you don't actually work for or are at least sanctioned by the Gov't. Remember even though they don't work directly for the Gov't New Wave are still regulated by them and ultimately answer to them if they ever step a toe out of line.
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The way it looks to me, this is another disaster for the PRT. There's the bit where they're technically responsible for Taylor's actions (though others don't really KNOW that, so at least that hit to PR can be avoided). Moreover, they've just managed to establish themselves as being stupid and incompetent enough to completely fail at keeping Cricket behind bars. With Taylor having a front row seat to her would-be employers sucking at their job.
It's sure as hell not going to endear them to her. She may have gone overboard (not by much, IMO) but she shouldn't have ever NEEDED to if it weren't for the PRT being idiots. Plus, they just lost the option of bringing Taylor in the easy way. Claiming Taylor as a Ward right now means claiming the violence she visited on the villains, likely inciting the E88 to full riots/gang war status and further pissing her off.
This all played out very much in public. Bad publicity is going to be unavoidable. Not only were the closest heroes too far away (Cricket WOULD have gotten away), but an independent hero (as far as the public knows) had to step in to fix their mess. Then PURITY of all people stepped in to keep Taylor from making an even bigger mess. Purity, not one of the 'official heroes'. With Assault and Battery still being too late to the party. And I'm sure someone will have caught it all on video...
Amusingly, the only good move I think Piggot can make is to publically recruit Purity. She needs the one person who did the job properly on her side
It's sure as hell not going to endear them to her. She may have gone overboard (not by much, IMO) but she shouldn't have ever NEEDED to if it weren't for the PRT being idiots. Plus, they just lost the option of bringing Taylor in the easy way. Claiming Taylor as a Ward right now means claiming the violence she visited on the villains, likely inciting the E88 to full riots/gang war status and further pissing her off.
This all played out very much in public. Bad publicity is going to be unavoidable. Not only were the closest heroes too far away (Cricket WOULD have gotten away), but an independent hero (as far as the public knows) had to step in to fix their mess. Then PURITY of all people stepped in to keep Taylor from making an even bigger mess. Purity, not one of the 'official heroes'. With Assault and Battery still being too late to the party. And I'm sure someone will have caught it all on video...
Amusingly, the only good move I think Piggot can make is to publically recruit Purity. She needs the one person who did the job properly on her side
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What if it did have an escort? The first we see of the truck, it's been sent skidding across the lot. Either from crashing, or being knocked over. But we do hear Sirens in the distance which means that law enforcement know something is happening. Plus, one of the sisters appeared late. That means, there is a very good chance that the escort was forcibly separated or dealt with, and the transport was trying to make a run to safety.
Of course, there is a chance that there wasn't an escort.
But on the chance that there was, the fault for the PRT isn't being stupid. It was being ineffective. Either they overestimated whoever or whatever they sent to guard the transport, or the underestimated the E88's response.
Of course, there is a chance that there wasn't an escort.
But on the chance that there was, the fault for the PRT isn't being stupid. It was being ineffective. Either they overestimated whoever or whatever they sent to guard the transport, or the underestimated the E88's response.
bluekun
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Well, a thing happened. The plus side, Brockton Bay is not a smoking crater. The downside? Ol' Tt is still having the compulsion to be the smartest Queen B around, and Mr. Calvert is about to attempt something rather ambitious, but maybe it might end up becoming rubbish? Business as usual around pre-Levi BB then.
On another note, scary thought. What if Noelle got her mits on Sirin and ended up with a Dark Phoenix clone instead?
One last thing, is this version of the Phoenix Force that Phoenix Force Raptor? Or is it a different fragment instead?
On another note, scary thought. What if Noelle got her mits on Sirin and ended up with a Dark Phoenix clone instead?
One last thing, is this version of the Phoenix Force that Phoenix Force Raptor? Or is it a different fragment instead?