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Labmit said:
Does Artoria know about the Add/Kay thing, and if so what's her reaction to it?
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Arturia: "Box who speaks in my brother's voice why are you such an asshole"

Add: "Maybe you should have bullied me when we were younger Uhihihihihihi!"

Arturia (in full armour): "...Gray, do you mind if I discipline my brother for a moment?"

Gray: "g-go ahead?"

Add: "no"
 
Swordomatic said:
Arturia: "Box who speaks in my brother's voice why are you such an asshole"

Add: "Maybe you should have bullied me when we were younger Uhihihihihihi!"

Arturia (in full armour): "...Gray, do you mind if I discipline my brother for a moment?"

Gray: "g-go ahead?"

Add: "no"
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So Morgana Le Fay modeled the seal's AI for Rhongomyniad after Kay. And, depending on how accurate the wiki article on the man is, did it by stuffing some part of the man's spirit in there. Didn't know that.

Is there a genuine reason for that, or was it just to torment the man who'd been closer to Artoria than her?
 
Always Late said:
So Morgana Le Fay modeled the seal's AI for Rhongomyniad after Kay. And, depending on how accurate the wiki article on the man is, did it by stuffing some part of the man's spirit in there. Didn't know that.

Is there a genuine reason for that, or was it just to torment the man who'd been closer to Artoria than her?
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To be fair, did she need any other reason?
 
To extend on this, the precise wording is that Morgan found Kay the knight "less fascinated" by King Arthur. Which, if you read Kay's POV in Garden of Avalon and listen to his discussion with Shirou at Glastonbury in the UBW drama CD, is pretty much how he feels about Artoria.
 
Shadowlancer said:
But she does turn into the original VN form for her NP in fgo. So its still kinda the same.
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Oh I know, but the transformation from Medusa into the tentacle monster made of snakes and hatred known as The Gorgon was very much a permanent one-way thing, and at no point did it involve a monstergirl form with white bird wings. (The bird wings really get to me; why does she have bird wings? She's a snake.)

But then again, Tiamat has a monstergirl form, which even the game admits in its profile for Beast II doesn't really make much sense, FGO just has a thing for monstergirls.
And monsterbois, don't go thinking FGO is sexist or anything, they got monstergirl boobs and butt for the men and fluffy monsterboi beefcake for the women:

Asterios needs a hug.
 
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Neruz said:
But then again, Tiamat has a monstergirl form, which even the game admits in its profile for Beast II doesn't really make much sense,
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It at least, once again, isn't actually entirely unprecedented; the White Titan has the exact same thing with Altera, except the girl form out-survived the monster form there.
Neruz said:
(The bird wings really get to me; why does she have bird wings? She's a snake.)
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That's actually mythologically accurate like Jaguar Man's tiger onesie is:
Prometheus Bound said:
Near them their sisters three, the Gorgons, winged
With snakes for hair— hatred of mortal man—
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(RE FGO Gorgon: The process, as we'd known before FGO, was gradual rather than poof monster. Medusa got worse and worse until eventually she ate her sisters.)
 
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Grue said:
That's actually mythologically accurate like Jaguar Man's tiger onesie is:

(RE FGO Gorgon: The process, as we'd known before FGO, was gradual rather than poof monster. Medusa got worse and worse until eventually she ate her sisters.)
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Eh, I always interpreted that line from Prometheus Bound as 'draconic' scaled wings, not fluffy white bird wings, but then again Greek mythology was big on chimeras with inexplicable mashed together features that made no goddamn sense.
 
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Neruz said:
Eh, I always interpreted that line from Prometheus Bound as 'draconic' scaled wings, not fluffy white bird wings, but then again Greek mythology was big on chimeras with inexplicable mashed together features that made no goddamn sense.
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Doesn't exactly look like draconic wings to me, and checking pots of other winged stuff like birds and Sirens, they're definitely using the same style they use for feathered birds.
(Or TLDR: Fate actually does do their research.)
 
Grue said:

Doesn't exactly look like draconic wings to me, and checking pots of other winged stuff like birds and Sirens, they're definitely using the same style they use for feathered birds.
(Or TLDR: Fate actually does do their research.)
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On the other hand, to be fair, that doesn't exactly look like a lot of things, because wow even by the standards of Greek art that is kind of terrible. Also apparently has two sets of wings, because sure why not, and thighs that could crush a goddamn mountain, and what the hell is going on with those boots?

Plus, those are definitely black wings, but *shrug*, like I said, Greek mythology was big on nonsensical chimeric creature-feature mashups. I guess that's what happens when you have no clue how biology works and so don't understand why taping a bunch of totally unrelated animals together doesn't make sense.


Actually if memory serves, nonsensical creature mashups were pretty common in a lot of ancient art; a lot of work has been put into making things like Gryphons look vaguely plausible, but if you look at older depictions of them the artist literally just taped a lion's butt to a bird and called it a day.



At the end of the day, given Fate's Eroge origins, I am neither surprised nor upset that fanservice keeps happening and I fully expect that it will continue to happen for the foreseeable future. Fanservice is a fundamental foundation of Fate, always has been and always will be.

I mean, this is a thing:


Tiamat in full monster Draconic Corpus form, and if anything her jubblies have actually gotten proportionately larger than her Femme Fatale form. :jackiechan:

The fanservice is eternal.

(Incidentally, I think those are much better inexplicable wings than Gorgon's fluffy bird wings, even though I think they're actually her horns pretending to be wings.)
 
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Grue said:
Side-effect of the medium; pot art doesn't exactly give much of a coloir palette.
(...Also, FGO Gorgons' wings are bronze. I'm not sure how you got white from that.)
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Er, oops, I was getting her golden wings mixed up with her white robes. Yeah okay, that one is 100% on me.

And actually, it's not a side effect of the medium so much as the age of the medium; the colours have all faded. Original ancient Greek art was covered in a horrific panoply of eye-searing primary colours, because the Ancient Greeks loved incredibly bright primary colours and slapped that shit on literally everything. Thanks to fancy microscopic analysis we now know that ancient Greek and Roman arts actually looked like this:


So that pot was probably a lot more colourful back when it was first made, though the black parts would still have been black I think.
 
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Neruz said:

(Incidentally, I think those are much better inexplicable wings than Gorgon's fluffy bird wings, even though I think they're actually her horns pretending to be wings.)
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Remember, Tiamat actually had wings at that point, so those are actual wings and not horns. Besides, the horns are clearly visible near the mouth.

On a side not, re: the pot art being horribly-drawn: Have you ever tried drawing on a curved surface? It's not easy in the slightest.
 
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Sir Plusse said:
Remember, Tiamat actually had wings at that point, so those are actual wings and not horns. Besides, the horns are clearly visible near the mouth.
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Did she? I can't find any other pictures of her Draconic Corpus body than that one and it's been ages since I played that part of the game, so I don't remember. Her Titan form definitely has horns pretending to be wings though, so I figured that they were just the next extension of that. Not that it really matters.

Sir Plusse said:
On a side not, re: the pot art being horribly-drawn: Have you ever tried drawing on a curved surface? It's not easy in the slightest.
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Honestly, finding pre-Renaissance art in general that isn't horribly drawn is mostly an exercise in futility, dunno why seeing as there's plenty of perfectly good statues and the like, but ancient humans were apparently just completely useless at drawing things for some reason.
 
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Neruz said:
Did she? I can't find any other pictures of her Draconic Corpus body than that one and it's been ages since I played that part of the game, so I don't remember. Her Titan form definitely has horns pretending to be wings though, so I figured that they were just the next extension of that. Not that it really matters.
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King Hassan explicitly mentions cutting her wings off to keep her from just flying out of Kur (and takes the opportunity to impose the concept of death on her while he's at it), she used them to fly earlier (before Gorgon!Ana snatched her out of the air)... I'm pretty sure she had fully-functional wings.
 
Neruz said:
Hmm, I was thinking about what Servant classes Cain would fit into last night and the only one that I could come up with that made sense to me was Berserker, since he basically got mad and killed his brother for stealing his (probably Saberfaced) imouto, but now that you mention it I suppose Assassin could fit as well.
IIRC another possible choice of weapon was a bone from the goat that Abel sacrificed, either used as a club or sharpened into a stabbing implement.

Actually, maybe it was only Cain's imouto who had the Saberface, and that was why he was so attached to her and why God wanted Abel to have her instead. God says 'calm down Cain, you can have Abel's imouto' and Cain responds 'but my imouto is the best imouto' and God goes 'yes I know, that's why I'm giving her to Abel, honestly it's like you don't even listen to me.' Cue invention of murder.
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That makes far too much sense, considering what we know of how the Nasuverse 'God' works.

Faaaaaar too much sense.
 
Just gonna drop in and say I've been lurking here and reading since 2018 and now only decided to make an account.
 
Swordomatic said:
"...Oh dear," Leonardo comments over the commlink while sounding not the least bit concerned, "It seems that whatever you did to Blackbeard has propagated back to the Throne of Heroes and altered his Spirit Origin permanently! You have done what even All the World's Evils could not, Kana; you corrupted a Heroic Spirit!"
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I'm hearing this in Maaya Sakamoto's voice, and I'm damn near dying of laughter, as she'd be saying it with pride in her voice.

Neruz said:
Keep saying things like that and you're gonna get a THOT-kicked through a wall like Blackbeard.
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This gets even more funny once they run into Kiara...
 
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