[X] ...got out of her room and stretched her legs [Rolls on the random hospital social encounter table]
Fate/In Glory Of (Worm)
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[X] ...did some cape research on her phone including whatever people said about Canberra.
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[X] ...did some cape research on her phone including whatever people said about Canberra.
Considering what happened the previous chapter, I'm leery about socializing with Panacea still in the hospital lmao
Considering what happened the previous chapter, I'm leery about socializing with Panacea still in the hospital lmao
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Just found this gem, and I have to say, I thought it was a very good read.
I don't quite get Panacea euthanizing Taylor, though. Taylor has just told her her power is a projection (Amy's words, actually) which she sent to fight the Simurgh, whereas she clearly stayed in Brockton Bay. The Simurgh needs to be physically nearby to affect others, which is known in-story, as Dragon is clearly listening to radio traffic from capes fighting the Simurgh and controlling their armbands (see her conversation with Grandiose in Migration 17.2), which isn't seen as a problem. Panacea would almost certainly know this, and thus should be aware that Taylor can't have been affected. So, it seems to me that she had no reason to jump to such an extreme reaction, especially with unsummoning and/or sedation also being options.
I don't quite get Panacea euthanizing Taylor, though. Taylor has just told her her power is a projection (Amy's words, actually) which she sent to fight the Simurgh, whereas she clearly stayed in Brockton Bay. The Simurgh needs to be physically nearby to affect others, which is known in-story, as Dragon is clearly listening to radio traffic from capes fighting the Simurgh and controlling their armbands (see her conversation with Grandiose in Migration 17.2), which isn't seen as a problem. Panacea would almost certainly know this, and thus should be aware that Taylor can't have been affected. So, it seems to me that she had no reason to jump to such an extreme reaction, especially with unsummoning and/or sedation also being options.
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Essentially Panpan panicked and thought sedation might be setting off a Ziz bomb. She wasn't thinking clearly. She didn't think someone whose power works autonomously across the world would be stopped by sedation.
Technically it could also be viewed as Taylor was sedated and just never allowed to wake up.
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I mean, Taylor did just say it caused the organ failure in every part of her body simultaneously
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But why was she thinking Taylor was a Ziz bomb to begin with? She presumably doesn't assume Dragon is one, and if she thought her projection somehow was one while Taylor herself was fine, she could just ask Taylor to keep it unsummoned for now.
That doesn't square with this part, though:
She also just described what caused it, namely pushing beyond the limits of her power. Given that explanation, and the Simurgh's well-established reach, there is little reason for such an extreme action.
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You sure it has nothing to do with the active Simurgh Wing in Berserker's hand?
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I don't recall it being mentioned as active? And there is obviously little to worry from a dead wing - it's well-known her singing is the problem. At any rate, if the mere presence of a dead wing was a problem, the entire hospital, including Panacea herself, would be potential bombs - Taylor (and presumably her projection) have been here for over a day.
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Taylor was describing what, to as far as Panacea could tell, sounded like Ziz reaching through Taylor's power, into her mind and then priming her to be a ziz bomb.
The Simurgh is weird in that she clearly holds back; they didn't even know her effect was going off tinkers until 2009. What's to say she can't just reach through a projection power and do funky shit? Is that any weirder than the crap she does with Thinkers and Tinkers by boosting off them to make stuff?
Panacea has literally only three choices at this point.
Let a possible ziz bomb go free. Sedate the ziz bomb. Kill the ziz bomb.
She is scared because there is a Ziz wing in the room with her and no one has ever hurt Ziz that badly that she knows of. This sounds like some kind of Ziz plan. She is scared because a Ziz bomb is right next to her and who knows what horrors a Ziz bomb could do with her power.
So she goes for the only way she knows could resolve the situation completely.
Replicating the 'mass organ failure' so Taylor doesn't lash out in death throes and think she is being attacked. Taylor only thinks its her own power over-usage that caused it. She wasn't certain.
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Hmm, while I can see where she/you are coming from, I feel that sort of thinking doesn't quite square with canon, in particular the Dragon example I mentioned above. Surely if the Simurgh reaching through a projection was a possibility, any live radio would be even more dangerous, especially if the Simurgh secretly activates it, and therefore, no radios could be allowed anywhere near the Simurgh. Except, well, we see they are.
IIRC, we also had people having shouting conversations with perimeter guards, which would imply there is some communication in-and-out of containment zones, which clearly shouldn't be the case if indirect exposure was taken so extremely seriously. Ultimately, it seems people in Worm generally do not assume the Simurgh is hiding capabilities she has not yet displayed, unless they are very close to something already seen; and as she hasn't yet reached through radios or projections, they therefore seem to be fairly confident she can't.
So, unless Panacea is actively looking for an excuse to kill Taylor, it doesn't quite seem her actions square with what we know people in Worm know (or assume) about the Simurgh. Panic can't fully explain her actions either, IMO, because, well, she has no reason to panic in the first place.
I meant, it doesn't square with her merely being sedated.
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It's AU cause we're in Nasuverse.
I'm curious as to why she can't. Radios transmit sound and her scream is sound-based. It should totally be possible.
So then why are there containment zones at all? This defeats the purpose of those.
This part confuses me. She just replicated mass organ failure in our body which results in our demise.
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We don't learn what they reason in canon, but as the wiki explains in more detail, her scream isn't actually sound, but rather a sort of psychic echolocation (perceived as a sound) that she uses to build models of those in range, which she then uses to predict their actions and set up events with a sort-of butterfly effect, and she obviously doesn't get a psychic "echo" from a radio connection (or a projection), given that they don't have minds.
People inside can't take actions on those outside, and we're still preventing 99.99% of communications.
It was in reference to this:
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Radios aren't powers. They aren't comparable? At all?
Except it can. Canonically she can bounce it through dimensional cracks. She just chooses to make it audible or not, if memory serves.
There are two ways to look at the ending. The obvious where Amy kills Taylor. The other where she fakes Taylor going through a second mass organ failure and then sedates her, tells the protectorate who then lock her in the deepest, darkest hole and keep her sedated in a coma until Golden Morning happens and she dies without ever waking up. It's non-obvious but that's the other way.
Alright, look at this way.
You are Amy Dallon.
You inherently are in a terrible headspace and very few things in your life spark joy.
Something inside you wants you to do more than just heal and healing just makes you feel guilty that you could be healing more.
Someone asks to talk to you private. They say they sent their power across the planet to fight Ziz. They had a strange headache that then gave them mass organ failure. You've stared at their biology. You can't see any of the normal signs of this being a parahuman based attack or reason. Plus that's not how powers work even a little, so you are doubtful. You've heard rumours that Ziz did some unexpectedly loud scream at the fight this time that no-one had heard before. Was this it? They only figured out she could manipulate powers like tinkers two Ziz fights ago, is this another aspect they had just discovered? Is this her ploy? You've seen countries fall into ruin because of her and you might be standing on ground zero for the next one.
Oh god, you are standing next to a Ziz bomb. Are you part of the ploy? To the deepest part of your core, that terrifies you. You know what your power can do if it was unbounded. You could make a plague that could kill humanity in probably a matter of minutes... this Ziz bomb could be using you for it.
The projection has a Ziz wing.
Ziz has never lost a wing before. You haven't even heard of her losing a wing for the most recent one! Ziz had to have given it away as part of the plot. Oh, oh fuck is the Ziz bomb going to force you to use your power on the wing and create a second Ziz?! Maybe fuse the wing to you? Mind control you without ever even hearing the scream?? Oh fuck oh fuck
You think back to Vicky.
You think what she would do.
You cannot let this Ziz bomb walk free.
You can't.
Something inside you breaks at the realization.
You are a hero.
She is already dead or worse then dead.
This would be a mercy.
You need to do what has to be done.
Even if you will hate yourself for it more than you already do.
You are still holding onto her hand, after all. You just recently reversed the damage she had.
It would be easy to replicate it and just... let it take it's natural course.
It'd save your family.
If you didn't do it, are you even a hero?
She's a Ziz bomb, they aren't even people anymore- just ticking bombs.
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so it's not sound, but it is sound? Or she's screaming in their minds? I really don't know enough about Worm to argue this point, but Berserker absolutely has a mind, and Servants have a psychic link to their Masters.
While radios don't have minds, Projections are connected to the minds of their makers. Ergo, it can bounce through the connection there no?
If she has access to our body, it would be trivally easy to kill our senses before working further.
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[X] ...did some cape research on her phone including whatever people said about Canberra.
Nikki is GREAT! We shoul tell her about teh Giant.
Nikki is GREAT! We shoul tell her about teh Giant.
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Ah, I guess, I just figured there was no need to fake the organ failure (which might cause her to panic) - Taylor just gets really sleepy and nods off (and never wakes, ofc).
Hmm, that - the underlined part - was an aspect I had not considered. I suppose if Amy is aware of the Simurgh behaving abnormally - especially if she knows its in relation to its fight with this projection, which then carries a Ziz wing - it's possible. Atypical behavior having atypical consequences is more reasonable, and given that this is our favorite bundle of issues we're talking about, I can see that leading to her panicking and deciding to kill Taylor (though she's likely to regret it later, especially once Carol learns of it and twists it into the most negative version of events possible). I still feel that it's not what I'd call the most likely reaction (which isn't quite ideal, given that this is a quest bad end), but I'd say it's plausible, at least for Amy.
Kudos on that description from Amy's POV, BTW. You might want to make that an omake/interlude/something
Kudos on that description from Amy's POV, BTW. You might want to make that an omake/interlude/something
I'm strongly considering it when I'm not half awake haha
[X] ...got out of her room and stretched her legs [Rolls on the random hospital social encounter table]
Something something, there isn't enough room in the world for two dangerous people who're possessive over Taylor.
Also, I'm increasingly getting the notion that Nikki is connected to Limbmaster in some way more than them just being her favorite cape.
Something something, there isn't enough room in the world for two dangerous people who're possessive over Taylor.
Also, I'm increasingly getting the notion that Nikki is connected to Limbmaster in some way more than them just being her favorite cape.
Why do you think that?
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Besides that she's just shown to be willing to murder innocent people over suspicion, we won get anywhere with her issues without going through 3 dozen more updates where every two votes can lead to a bad end wich just isn't worth the effort.
