Exploding Canon (Worm SI)


Several of these are a no-go. Bakuda's shard wants them to make bombs (or, even more preferably, traps) that cause damage or destroy things. Disinfection works because you're destroying the bacteria, cauterizing sort of works because you're making F I R E !, and Bakuda was able to help Noelle by (temporarily) destroying the portal that connected her to her shard, but I'm not sure how something like the hybrid grenade would work out. Some of the others might be possible with a bit of creative application, though, like the Temporary Float Grenade (as a bomb which creates a series of explosions whose shockwaves suspend you in the air, though "bomb that creates multiple explosions" and "shockwaves sufficiently powerful to keep you in the air but not so powerful that you're injured" may not be possible). Rust bomb would probably work as-is (I doubt the shard would even care that most metals don't actually "rust").
 
A long rant about personal issues and experiences, and why trying to talk things out wouldn't make them any better.
Counterpoint: What you have essentially done, here and in the story, is what I would consider an exemplary case of 'Tell, don't show.' Yes, I believe you that you know your own problems better than the forum users, and it wouldn't make sense for Bakuda to suddenly start acting against her own best interests.

That said, where is it actually demonstrated in the story? Yes, Bakuda launches into long internal rants and monologues, but that's the key word, internal. And I am not asking for flashbacks and scenes from Bakuda's previous (your) life or for you to change the story, but I do not think it is fair to not expect others to to question whether the main characters assertions are valid or if they are a reliable narrator.

Do keep in mind that most protagonists are not SI's, and even most SI's are there as a rough baseline, not an accurate representation of the author. And that difference is easily missed if one does not read your author's posts, which you cannot really fault your average reader for. And even keeping that in mind, there is still a separation for me as a reader, as I have little interest in reading "Ghoul King's adventures in BB," instead of "Wacky bomberman hijinks" even if they are the same person.

So what you have here are the twin issues of First: your own lack of detachment from your character, which honestly complicates giving feedback. Do tell if I'm wrong, but if I were to start lambasting Bakuda for dressing like a slut for example, your response would be more personal than if I started doing that to Madison. If I were to write an omake where Bakuda goes to the PRT, would you take issue with my portrayal of your SI being out of character? And Second: The very high gradients of 'Tell, don't show' in the story coupled with readers conditioned by the predominantly unreliable narrators in fiction lead to natural speculation and 'what ifs'. Like yes, Bakuda has the whole pizza ID rant, but in a different story we'd then get a second PoV and Bakuda would've been casually waving a loaded gun or something while ordering said pizza.


And after rereading Polarion's comment, it was vague enough that I'm not actually sure what there is to disagree with, let alone take it personally. That said, I do second the Alexandria rescue.

For one, Bakuda needs to deal with those two spatial anomalies anyway. Yes, they seem to be stable and are low priority, but given she seemed scared when a black hole bomb was thrown at one, they seem like a threat if left alone given that capes like String Theory aren't unique. She made the mess, she needs to clean it up too, and lucky her, the anomalies are already in her quarantine zone or adjacent. From this perspective, Alexandria rescue is just a bonus.

And two, Alexandria can occupy the gray area of a possible antagonist but also an ally of convenience one must work with. Unlike Contessa, she is an actual character. Unlike Eidolon, her power set is both strong but can be worked around. Unlike The Number Man, she is willing to take risks. Unlike Legend, she is not a muppet. And unlike Doctor "I will not give out my real name because EDGE" she is not a lying liar whose every word is disingenuous 100% of the time. Add in the existence of a previous interaction, and we have something to build off of. Add Taylor into the mix to play off the two, and the mix is interesting. No idea where you'd take it, but it's something.

Grenades that put the Target into a Sleep that lasts until they are Healed.
I see no way that this could go wrong.
 
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Counterpoint: What you have essentially done, here and in the story, is what I would consider an exemplary case of 'Tell, don't show.' Yes, I believe you that you know your own problems better than the forum users, and it wouldn't make sense for Bakuda to suddenly start acting against her own best interests.

That said, where is it actually demonstrated in the story? Yes, Bakuda launches into long internal rants and monologues, but that's the key word, internal. And I am not asking for flashbacks and scenes from Bakuda's previous (your) life or for you to change the story, but I do not think it is fair to not expect others to to question whether the main characters assertions are valid or if they are a reliable narrator.

Do keep in mind that most protagonists are not SI's, and even most SI's are there as a rough baseline, not an accurate representation of the author. And that difference is easily missed if one does not read your author's posts, which you cannot really fault your average reader for. And even keeping that in mind, there is still a separation for me as a reader, as I have little interest in reading "Ghoul King's adventures in BB," instead of "Wacky bomberman hijinks" even if they are the same person.

This is probably down to having different personal experiences. While the extra details that Ghoul provides from time to time are always interesting, they've never been particularly surprising because the broad strokes (and some details) were clear enough from the story itself. But you and I probably navigate through different social circles and have led different lives, so what's plain and obvious to me may be a little more obscure to someone else.

I'm not sure why you're reading this in the hope of just "Wacky bomberman hijinks," though. Even if most SIs are not actual SIs and instead have feature bland archetypal sort of protagonist insert, I don't know how someone can get past chapter 2 and think "despite Ghoul's claim that this is a story about their insertion as Bakuda, it is actually about the insertion of a generic protagonist with generic characteristics and life history." But I guess we're coming at it from different angles (I'm very picky about SIs, and read them to gain insight on the author as much as for anything else—what drew me to Hail Hydra on Spacebattles, for example, was not "Here's a story about a dude who joins Hydra and tries to save the world as a villain" but "The author is telling a story about in which they slowly but surely turn into a quasi-fascist authoritarian who is unreservedly a bad person in the eyes of the author and the SI's past self," which is a really interesting self-examination, but likely also explains why a lot of people disliked that the villain protagonist loses, even though the story literally starts with a flash-forward to their defeat).
 
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Several of these are a no-go. Bakuda's shard wants them to make bombs (or, even more preferably, traps) that cause damage or destroy things.

I know the Shard prefers Conflict Specced Gear.... But I thought Bakuda's Shard was oriented on Instantaneous Effects or Single Use Tech depending on the Fic etc?

Disinfection works because you're destroying the bacteria, cauterizing sort of works because you're making F I R E !, and Bakuda was able to help Noelle by (temporarily) destroying the portal that connected her to her shard, but I'm not sure how something like the hybrid grenade would work out.

Well it would destroy the Two Samples to make the Hybrid? Or at least the existence of the Two Ceases to make the Hybrid even if they do not die.

On a Taylor related idea, they could combine a Spider and a Wasp to make a Spiderwasp Hybrid?

On the Higher end.... They could empower others by Combining willing volunteers or themselves with an Animal?

Catgirl Hench?
Great Balance, Leaping, Speed and Senses. Retractible Claws. Night Vision etc.

Electric Eel Hench Striker?
Like it sounds... Electricity based Striker Power. Gills for Amphibious operation? Flexibility Boost? Enhanced Swimming?

Heck if Bitch is still present and alive in BB, then you could make Human/Dog's that can be further Enhanced by Bitch's Meat Suits.

Then there is the idea of Combining a Hybrid Animal with a Person for more Ability Grafting and Genemods....

Some of the others might be possible with a bit of creative application, though, like the Temporary Float Grenade (as a bomb which creates a series of explosions whose shockwaves suspend you in the air, though "bomb that creates multiple explosions" and "shockwaves sufficiently powerful to keep you in the air but not so powerful that you're injured" may not be possible). Rust bomb would probably work as-is (I doubt the shard would even care that most metals don't actually "rust").

Well she already made temporary Invisibility Grenades..... Those could be useful for both Taylor and Bakuda?

Maybe an adaptation to Erase/Conceptually destroy an Injury?

Alternatively another way to Heal could be a Pseudo Vampiric method? Kind of like Mega Drain from Pokemon or a D&D Lifesteal Knife? But weaponised as a Mine, Trap, Grenade etc?

Maybe Bakuda could Biotinker Explosive Bugs for Taylor to Remote Pilot?

Biochemical Explosive Drone derived/inspired by Bombardier Beetle but Much Stronger or a Swarm of them enhance each others Explosions?

A Firefly Inspired/Derived Flashbang?

I see no way that this could go wrong.

It's not a Flaw.... Its a Feature!
 
I'm not sure why you're reading this in the hope of just "Wacky bomberman hijinks," though
Because that's what I'm getting. Bakuda dropping a pain grenade at her feet. Bakuda fear grenading herself. Repeatedly. Bakuda setting her own lab on fire. The list goes on, and far from my only reason for liking the story, but it's hilarious. You are reading too much into my flippant word choice.

Also, "Does not correspond to author" need not be read as "Blank and generic".

This is probably down to having different personal experiences. While the extra details that Ghoul provides from time to time are always interesting, they've never been particularly surprising because the broad strokes (and some details) were clear enough from the story itself.
I do not know what you are referring to. I didn't find anything particularly surprising either, and I am not sure how our social circles relate to this, considering I was critiquing the writing, not GH's experiences.

And I remember picking up Hail Hydra, and then slowly losing interest in it as the author went too heavy into politics and optimization, which is the wrong genre for a superhero universe. It's a lot like picking PanaceaxSkitter in Worm and trying to achieve the maximum DAKKA: You could recreate Zerg in its full interplanetary glory, but you'd also be missing the point of the setting. That said, I read the ending, and people (including me) seemed to dislike because it of how it was written, not that it happened. That said: "Here's a story about a dude who joins Hydra and tries to save the world as a villain" " slowly but surely turning into a quasi-fascist authoritarian who is unreservedly a bad person" is accurate for why I picked it up, so you got that part right.
 
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I do not know what you are referring to. I didn't find anything particularly surprising either, and I am not sure how our social circles relate to this, considering I was critiquing the writing, not GH's experiences.

I'm not talking so much about Ghoul's experiences there. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

What I mean is that, because of my experiences, I'm already getting the sort of picture which Ghoul paints for us in their non-story posts, and so all this "well maybe Bakuda is wrong, it isn't clear enough from the story that they are conveying to us an accurate account of what is going on, and maybe they just need to, like, talk their problems out with people in order to fix things" stuff just doesn't occur to me. I have a friend who is, honestly, unnervingly like Ghoul, and whose experiences as a Bakuda!SI would basically just be This Story, and so, because of that, as well as other reasons, I've just nodded my head and thought, "Yup, that makes sense, I am definitely getting enough information to understand why Bakghoula is doing what they're doing" through this whole story.

But I can see how someone with different experiences in general might have a different experience of the story itself.
 
I know the Shard prefers Conflict Specced Gear.... But I thought Bakuda's Shard was oriented on Instantaneous Effects or Single Use Tech depending on the Fic etc?
That's total fanon. IIRC Ack made it up years ago and it spread? I could be misremembering who did it first, but that's not the point. The point is that in canon, Bakuda only did immediately destructive effects in small areas (bombs + exotic bombs) with a small amount of bomb-related gear to facilitate bomb use (IIRC she had well-hidden mines, and maybe a fancy grenade launcher or deadman's switch - although those could have been mundane tech). No healing, no convenient summoning, nothing safe to be around or to use on yourself.
 
I know the Shard prefers Conflict Specced Gear.... But I thought Bakuda's Shard was oriented on Instantaneous Effects or Single Use Tech depending on the Fic etc?

There are some details mentioned elsewhere, IIRC, but here are a couple places where we find out how Bakuda's shard does things.

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To my immense irritation when I try to imagine how I could do the obvious thing and convert that little transmitter/sensor bead thing into a medical instrument, I get nothing. When I try to imagine giving it a screen providing that information for human use... nothing. I can imagine setting it up so it's connected to a syringe and will automatically trigger the syringe under Y conditions, so that's something, since that could be de-Tinkerteched into any number of emergency medical devices, such as auto-injecting an epi pen, but mostly the power -my power?- is unhelpful unless it can be used as a trap, which hey, lethal injections when triggering a condition qualify.

Not a bomb, interestingly, even though it has no problems translating into bombs, but a trap. I'm pretty sure. I have an easy time imagining tinkertech trap doors and the like, stuff like dumping people into space via portal. Gun? No-go. Has me wondering if the canon bazooka was just an ordinary bazooka the ABB had, because I can't get my power to give me bazooka ideas. Claymores, sure, which are kind of like bazookas, I guess, but not anything I can carry around and fire bombs out of. Even making grenades is more a simple adaptation of making tripwire bombs than something my power wants to actually give me.

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Also, maybe I should figure out if I can somehow explode Noelle into being fixed and/or return the Travelers to Earth Aleph. Via explosions. I'm pretty sure I can achieve the latter somehow, a lot of my bombs involve portal shenanigans of some kind, but I'm iffier on the first point. Wormverse doesn't really do "life energy" or whatever, for all that "healing effects" like Othala's exist, so I have doubts I can engineer some kind of cure bomb, especially since Noelle's issues aren't necessarily anything that would qualify as an injury/infection/whatever. For all I know a "cure bomb" would just accelerate her transformation.

[...]

Naturally, I have another tinker fugue, making a series of bombs that do... eeeh. Sort-of-nice things. Like one of them, I was intending it to cauterize wounds, but really it's just a small, tightly controlled burst of intense heat from a pill-sized bomb, so you could totally use it to kill people, or destroy their eyes, or whatever. Another bursts into an anti-bacterial agent. It, uh, has acceptable impact on human flesh, but it does lead to explosive diarrhea and/or vomiting if you're caught in the radius. I do kind of wonder if maybe it could be useful for curing people with serious, long-term infections that are slowly killing them (eg MRSA), but it's not exactly a good way to address the common cold.
 
I'm not talking so much about Ghoul's experiences there. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Ah. Fair.
But I can see how someone with different experiences in general might have a different experience of the story itself.
Yes. And then as a thought experiment I'd ask you to compare the margin of error needed to make that reading of this portion of the story (which was, again, told not shown,) compared to the many other weird deductions people make all the time on this forum.

Good that we understand each other, I was confused for a moment.
 
Yeah, thats what I was thinking reading it. Every single thing listed is an Autism Spectrum symptom. up to and including being confused for ADHD as a kid but then it turns out its not that.

Wanted to come in for a third time here, ASD spectrum popped into my head repeatedly as well while reading this. Although I've only worked with ASD kids and am not on the spectrum myself so less weight on this opinion.
 
I'm almost certainly pointing out the obvious here, but according to the thread search it hasn't been explicitly noted thus far: What you've described is consistent in virtually every regard with autism, a lot of it even directly matching my own experience. I can't easily imagine that hasn't already been suggested to you at some point, but on the off-chance that it somehow hasn't, might be worth looking into.

Yeah, thats what I was thinking reading it. Every single thing listed is an Autism Spectrum symptom. up to and including being confused for ADHD as a kid but then it turns out its not that.

Wanted to come in for a third time here, ASD spectrum popped into my head repeatedly as well while reading this. Although I've only worked with ASD kids and am not on the spectrum myself so less weight on this opinion.

Yeah, I've commented in Monster before that I don't have an official diagnosis, but I'm almost certainly on the spectrum. As in part of why I don't have an official diagnosis is that I don't see the point in getting it confirmed when it's this obvious, same as I wouldn't go to a doctor and ask if the red goo pouring out of my leg is blood.

Though it's not the only thing going on with me...

I have found that while reading about rhetorical techniques and psychology is interesting it is about as useful to social interactions as learning physics is to riding a bike.

I've known multiple people who eg took classes on psychology, where they could've potentially gone on to become a therapist or the like... and in every such case, it was because they Did Not Get People, and were hoping educational material would fix that problem.

It, uh, didn't work with any of them that I'm aware.

So yeah, between that and my personal experience I pretty strongly agree with this opinion.

Well written, and clear. It's... Hard to explain or discuss those sorts of topics, especially when it applies to one's self rather than other. Even moreso when said topic is an active source of irritation.

I... think this is a compliment? In which case, thanks!

If not, uh, okay.

Counterpoint: What you have essentially done, here and in the story, is what I would consider an exemplary case of 'Tell, don't show.' Yes, I believe you that you know your own problems better than the forum users, and it wouldn't make sense for Bakuda to suddenly start acting against her own best interests.

That said, where is it actually demonstrated in the story? Yes, Bakuda launches into long internal rants and monologues, but that's the key word, internal. And I am not asking for flashbacks and scenes from Bakuda's previous (your) life or for you to change the story, but I do not think it is fair to not expect others to to question whether the main characters assertions are valid or if they are a reliable narrator.

Do keep in mind that most protagonists are not SI's, and even most SI's are there as a rough baseline, not an accurate representation of the author. And that difference is easily missed if one does not read your author's posts, which you cannot really fault your average reader for. And even keeping that in mind, there is still a separation for me as a reader, as I have little interest in reading "Ghoul King's adventures in BB," instead of "Wacky bomberman hijinks" even if they are the same person.

I mean yes, but no, and also no.

First of all, citing 'show, don't tell' in an attempt to support an argument that word-based solutions would've been more effective than action-based solutions is... deeply ironic, in a manner I really hope I don't have to fully explicate. Nuance is a thing, of course, but still, this is genuinely funny to me to see someone doing and not noticing that something is not quite right with using this line of argument for this situation.

Second of all, in practice I hard-disagree with the assertion that this quality was not shown. Exploding Canon repeatedly shows Bakuda mismanaging social situations and struggling to read people accurately, and often walking the audience through what likely happened and how it was a mistake, such as the "Wow, Taylor, great job on murderizing those people you feel guilty about killing!" When ABB members fob themselves onto her post-Simurgh and she tries to talk them into leaving her alone, this is completely blown off: it's (implicitly) threatening to blow them up if they don't back off that actually works. Essentially every interaction with Lung involves him being either hostile (Including immediately informing her he will kill her if she considers plotting betrayal or something, for no reason Bakuda can discern) or tolerantly amused. This only goes away once Oni Lee providing support for her out-of-context knowledge happens and Lung decides taking seriously the Coil stuff is something he would like to do -and in short order this results in an apparently permanent separation, so there's no evidence this issue going away was permanent. Her handling of the Alexandria conversation-confrontation is unproductive and spiteful; what gets Cauldron to take her seriously is doing damage to Alexandria, and through her actions revealing the Simurgh tinkertech project. Eidolon asking her about the resonance bomb is one of the only exceptions to this trend, and it's a situation in which Eidolon initiates and Bakuda is basically just answering leading questions from someone the audience afterward is shown was coached on the situation and Eidolon is just blatantly refusing to engage Bakuda name-dropping Cauldron and whatnot, so in an important sense it's not really an exception -Bakuda didn't improve the Simurgh situation by talking, Eidolon did.

Third of all, if you got through Exploding Canon genuinely thinking Bakuda is your usual SI that is avoiding putting too much of the author out there, I'm sorry, you have failed Reading Comprehension: The Game. I have literally gotten people reading through the initial bits and complaining that Bakuda is inadequately normal of a person, where they took it as a given that the SI attempting to genuinely represent a human being far removed from neurotypical expectations was taken as a writing sin. I obviously disagree with these people that such an approach is Bad Writing, but my point is that other people have immediately picked up on Bakuda being very different from your typical dishonest SI who doesn't meaningfully represent the actual author. This is not exactly a subtle quality of the writing, and if someone got through the story blithely assuming the 'rough baseline' you mention is what this story is operating off of, they did so through a considerable application of willfully ignoring the abundant evidence to the contrary.

ie 'this is a difference that is easily missed' can be a true assertion (I'm sure there are people who could honestly write themselves and end up looking distressingly similar to 'self-inserts' operating on the 'general baseline'. I'm not one of them, but I'm sure they exist), but is pretty obviously ridiculous to state in this particular case.

So what you have here are the twin issues of First: your own lack of detachment from your character, which honestly complicates giving feedback. Do tell if I'm wrong, but if I were to start lambasting Bakuda for dressing like a slut for example, your response would be more personal than if I started doing that to Madison. If I were to write an omake where Bakuda goes to the PRT, would you take issue with my portrayal of your SI being out of character?

If you started lambasting, as you put it, Bakuda or Madison for 'dressing like a slut', my opinion of you would go down regardless and I'd probably either not bother to engage you or make pointed remarks about how this shit is dumb in general.

If you simply remarked "You know, it sounds like Bakuda dresses kinda slutty," and had done so even before Bakuda herself presented the thought to the audience, I'd have gone "It is distinctly possible it would be taken that way, yes." And then it probably would've cropped up in the story within three chapters now that the thought was on my mind, probably in the form of an external character reacting in a similar way, while Bakuda went 'wait, wha- aw shit, that is a thing, isn't it?' Indeed, if you were deliberately attempting to insult me, it is distinctly possible I would fail to recognize it and react in this manner -this is something I've done on a regular basis my entire life, and it's a quality I've deliberately avoided getting rid of, because I find it hilarious to have someone try to insult me to my face and then become obviously distressed when I genuinely fail to recognize that was their intent.

If you wrote an omake about Bakuda going to the PRT, and attempted to write it from Bakuda's first-person perspective, I'd probably only 'take issue' with the portrayal if secondary signals convinced me that you had a dim view of SI-Bakuda and were generalizing that to making her dumb and incompetent, not because you genuinely felt any particular failing was one she was prone to, but because you'd thrown her into a vague mental model of 'dumb and incompetent'. If you presented her as making decisions an observer might consider dubious, but which were consistent with her observed behavior in Exploding Canon, I'd be more likely to praise the omake. If they were behavioral patterns I hadn't noticed/intended, but which looking back I could not find fault in the interpretation, I'd likely express a kind of pleased surprise.

As an example that actually happened, it's worth pointing out that the Coil Interlude was written by another individual, and involved implicit and, to a lesser degree, explicit characterization of Bakuda through Coil's eyes. I canonized that Interlude as the Official Explanation For Coil's Escape, with the only objection I had being to 'hamstringing someone is not something they could just ignore', which was an objection to a mechanical detail not holding up, not an objection to characterization. This was because I didn't see any issue with the characterization, including that 'Bakuda clearly concludes blowing herself up to kill this Coil's timeline is correct, because he'll drop the timeline' is absolutely something I might do.

And after rereading Polarion's comment, it was vague enough that I'm not actually sure what there is to disagree with, let alone take it personally.

I object to and take personally vague assertions much more readily than extremely precise and specific assertions. If someone walks me through how they think Bakuda could've solved X situation with talking, detailing how it could've happened, I'm going to engage in discussion. I'll probably disagree with individual points, and explain why I disagree, but I won't get mad unless they throw in gratuitous aspersions on my character for no reason on top of the explanation. And even then I tend to ignore those or point out that they're pointless assholery rather than getting upset.

If someone vaguely goes 'Bakuda could've done so much better if she talked instead of the things she actually did', no detail-work to ground this assertion, that pisses me off because the most likely scenario is that they've given zero thought to the topic -that they don't actually have concrete ideas of what Bakuda could've done differently, nor a model in mind for why these alternative actions would've been an improvement, and if they were to bother to try to explain their non-existent thought process it would rapidly become extremely obvious that they just haven't given any thought to what alternative situations might've looked like or why the character might've made the decisions they did make.

If someone, say, tried to assert that Bakuda should've run to the PRT toward the beginning of the story when Oni Lee was out of sight and turned herself in, I'd have raised all the reasons she didn't consider those plans: that Bakuda doesn't have a real civilian identity, the PRT is unlikely to accept 'I'm not the Cornell Bomber! I don't remember it!' as an explanation, and most importantly that Oni Lee is fucking terrifying and almost impossible for a regular person to actually be confident he's not in the area, about to jump you with an instant teleport. Plus assorted background reasons I'd probably remember in the course of writing such a response.

Even so, such a discussion could lead me around to going, "Oh. That was a valid scenario with decent odds of not ending horribly dead with no warning. Well, shit, sucks to be Bakuda."

'She had a bunch of situations that could've been solved by talking' is just an obnoxious, baseless assertion that almost certainly has no actual thought behind it and no intent to ever explain it. In the most generous scenario, it's a kind of innocent assholery, akin to coming upon someone griping about a building lacking an elevator, and innocently asking "Why don't you take the stairs?" while they gape in shock from their wheelchair. More likely, it's a lot less innocent than that.

Indeed, I'm honestly less likely to get pissy over people calling me an idiot to my face because at least other people clearly recognize that as asshole behavior. As you're kindly illustrating for me here, this type of assholery tends to be taken by observers as just fine if I don't explain exactly why I'm pissed off by it, and sometimes even if I do explain it. I often don't need to do anything about well-known assholery: it'll be shunned, or a mod will spontaneously come down on it, or other people will report it.

Not so much for this crap.

And two, Alexandria can occupy the gray area of a possible antagonist but also an ally of convenience one must work with. Unlike Contessa, she is an actual character. Unlike Eidolon, her power set is both strong but can be worked around. Unlike The Number Man, she is willing to take risks. Unlike Legend, she is not a muppet. And unlike Doctor "I will not give out my real name because EDGE" she is not a lying liar whose every word is disingenuous 100% of the time. Add in the existence of a previous interaction, and we have something to build off of. Add Taylor into the mix to play off the two, and the mix is interesting. No idea where you'd take it, but it's something.

I'd argue canon Alexandria does lie basically constantly, but that aside I don't particularly disagree with this assessment. And you're certainly correct the story can't just keep ignoring the portal in the sky; I'd basically forgotten about it for the initial writing of this Arc, and with the reread have made a note that even if Bakuda continues to forget about it, I as the writer shouldn't. (If nothing else, it should be pretty visible...)
 
I have found that while reading about rhetorical techniques and psychology is interesting it is about as useful to social interactions as learning physics is to riding a bike.
@Ghoul King
Rhetoric is the wrong approach, I tried it first. What you want to study is theater. Not modern theatre with microphones and speakers. Traditional theatre where the only amplification to your voice is your lungs as the structure of the room.

Especially useful is Pantomime and other more physical theatrical performances. Pantomime has been incredibly useful for my ability to emote in such a way that others pick up on it correctly.

Exaggerated emotional gestures performed with the whole body. Exaggerated vocal cues performed forcefully enough that the folks in the back

Rhetoric will not teach you these cues and techniques. They'll teach you about how to use repetition and how to sound convincing... How to weave little stories and try to win trust. Not remotely useful unless you plan to sell used knives or go into politics, or something else involving being a confidence trickster.

Rhetoric doesn't teach you how to emote sadness, fear, joy, and especially important is how to emote physical pain. The responsiveness of doctors to my injuries went up significantly when I learned how to emote pain correctly. I spent a whole week just learning various ways to 'hobble' depending on where in my body the hurt was supposed to be. That alone was fucking magic, and then they taught me how to wince...

And the way you emote in a 'believable' way is that you do an exaggerated emote... and then you just dial it back. Once you know how to do it (correctly) much much too hard, it's easier to do it less hard.

At least that's my advice. Theatre. Voice Acting lessions. Interpretive/storytelling dance. Not rhetoric. (though I took rhetoric, and it's useful in some of the more 'I need to convince you I know what I'm doing' aspects of my job)
 
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As in part of why I don't have an official diagnosis is that I don't see the point in getting it confirmed when it's this obvious, same as I wouldn't go to a doctor and ask if the red goo pouring out of my leg is blood.

Apologies if others have said this already, but an advantage of an official diagnosis is that it can open doors for accommodations/treatment that would be otherwise inaccessible. This may or may not be relevant to you, but if anyone else in this thread was reading past, I don't want to let the "obviousness" dissuade them from something that may help them.
 
Apologies if others have said this already, but an advantage of an official diagnosis is that it can open doors for accommodations/treatment that would be otherwise inaccessible. This may or may not be relevant to you, but if anyone else in this thread was reading past, I don't want to let the "obviousness" dissuade them from something that may help them.

Fair. I tend to forget that, hey, monkey see, monkey do, means I should keep in mind that my reasons for why I do things aren't necessarily clear to others, and they may just go 'huh, I think I'll just skip getting that diagnosis' even though they really shouldn't.

In my case, one reason I've never bothered is it wasn't obvious until after I'd already transitioned to homeschooling. I absolutely would've appreciated a diagnosis in the hellhole school that lead to turning to homeschooling, as it might have gotten the staff to actually cooperate on accommodating my issues instead of leaving me to dry with a lie of 'we'll give it a few weeks, and if the situation hasn't improved then we'll see about options'. (Though to be honest the school's attitude was bad enough I'm not sure this would've been true in practice) It might also have eased things in the schools before that, though it's difficult to be sure given I was being given a lot of informal accommodation as was -people were always able to tell I was a weird kid, it's just they didn't have 'autism is a thing' as part of their knowledge pool, and most of my schools were really not bad. (One of them was Top Ten in the US at the time I was going there, for example) And several issues I did have didn't really have to do with autism, like the absolute failure to teach me math and ensuing failure to recognize that I hadn't learned math, I'd memorized a specific set of question-to-answers that answer sheets rarely substantially strayed from and so I scored a lot of Cs and the occasional B on math.

Anyway, at this point as an adult, I've yet to run into a situation a formal diagnosis would've unambiguously helped more than just regular-person-mentioning it. If I got a specific job and became convinced that eg they were illegally refusing to accommodate me in some ways specified by the law, I might pursue a diagnosis then as, basically, a legal bludgeon, but even then I'd be reluctant given the coercive undertone wouldn't exactly win me points.

So those are my primary reasons for not bothering to get an official diagnosis, if for some reason someone thinks they should imitate me: there you go, now you know if your situation is even slightly like mine beyond the almost-certain-autism.

... okay, the other reason I should mention it is that, in the unlikely event there's a different explanation for being Extremely Obviously Autistic, I know enough to know people would probably still diagnose me with autism instead of identifying The Real Explanation. That's usually what happens when people have an unknown or rare condition that looks a lot like a better-known one.

@Ghoul King
Rhetoric is the wrong approach, I tried it first. What you want to study is theater. Not modern theatre with microphones and speakers. Traditional theatre where the only amplification to your voice is your lungs as the structure of the room.

Especially useful is Pantomime and other more physical theatrical performances. Pantomime has been incredibly useful for my ability to emote in such a way that others pick up on it correctly.

Exaggerated emotional gestures performed with the whole body. Exaggerated vocal cues performed forcefully enough that the folks in the back

Rhetoric will not teach you these cues and techniques. They'll teach you about how to use repetition and how to sound convincing... How to weave little stories and try to win trust. Not remotely useful unless you plan to sell used knives or go into politics, or something else involving being a confidence trickster.

Rhetoric doesn't teach you how to emote sadness, fear, joy, and especially important is how to emote physical pain. The responsiveness of doctors to my injuries went up significantly when I learned how to emote pain correctly. I spent a whole week just learning various ways to 'hobble' depending on where in my body the hurt was supposed to be. That alone was fucking magic, and then they taught me how to wince...

And the way you emote in a 'believable' way is that you do an exaggerated emote... and then you just dial it back. Once you know how to do it (correctly) much much too hard, it's easier to do it less hard.

At least that's my advice. Theatre. Voice Acting lessions. Interpretive/storytelling dance. Not rhetoric. (though I took rhetoric, and it's useful in some of the more 'I need to convince you I know what I'm doing' aspects of my job)

I think I've effectively done part of what you're talking about by pursuing stuff like Abridged Series. Exaggerated representations of emotion and whatnot have given me a better idea of what people think of as representing a given feeling and so on. I actually might've tried starting my own Abridged series (Or something) to practice these skills if it weren't for life consistently contriving to make it an unrealistic option. (eg Abridging started when I was homeless, which does not lend itself to recording and uploading videos and whatnot. Living in an SRO is better, but not by enough)

Among other points, this is probably a non-trivial factor in my interest in cartoons and similar long past the point many people lose interest and move on to series aimed at adults.

And it probably has helped: when I played through Red Alert 3's campaign, I was surprised to discover I was actually attributing significance to relatively minor things in what the actors were doing on-screen, where for most of my life if people pointed out things like 'this subtle bodily motion is a snub' or whatever I was like 'what the hell are you on about'.
 
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citing 'show, don't tell' in an attempt to support an argument that word-based solutions would've been more effective than action-based solutions is
One is a writing style, the other is a course of action for a character. I can see the irony if I squint, but no, nothing's wrong with the line of argument. But fair to you,

A myriad of examples where Ghoul King actually shows Bakuda being bad at interacting with people.

You know what, that is fair, I thought you were going for something different when those things happened, so I had a different take. Please do note that I had read the story before the current argument, so I wasn't connecting the dots to your rant. I'll present my thought process for posterity's sake.

"Wow, Taylor, great job on murderizing those people you feel guilty about killing!"
My take: Not screwing up social interaction when interacting via terse messages trying to derive meaning from bug vibrations is bound to fail. Moving on.

When ABB members fob themselves onto her post-Simurgh and she tries to talk them into leaving her alone, this is completely blown off: it's (implicitly) threatening to blow them up if they don't back off that actually works.
People be pushy. When someone decides to leave an organization gang, especially if you hold any degree of power in it, people will always try to double-check your resolve. I would argue in this specific instance the communication difficulties were not a factor.

Essentially every interaction with Lung involves him being either hostile (Including immediately informing her he will kill her if she considers plotting betrayal or something, for no reason Bakuda can discern) or tolerantly amused.

She was also concussed, clearly loopy, and Lung has had many different interpretations in the fandom. I took that to just be your interpretation of him and normal Lung behavior. Hypothetically, the story could have benefited from showing Lung interact with someone in a similar situation differently. I say hypothetically, because I can't see a way to write that in without bloat or contrivances.

Her handling of the Alexandria conversation-confrontation is unproductive and spiteful
I remember being confused throughout that interaction on my first read, but then separating how much of it was again just Bakuda being loopy after what was effectively a long running battle, how much of it was just her really despising Cauldron to astronomical levels, or other things is next to impossible.

Finally looking at the latest chapter, Taylor is noted to be looking at Bakuda weirdly, but that again could just be because Bakuda keeps acting like someone not native to Earth Bet.

So all in all, not of those cases are a clear-cut 'and this is why this happens,' which isn't necessarily bad writing, but does lead one to speculate how she'd do sans those other factors. It's clear Bakuda isn't a social guru, but just how much she isn't is a question.

Third of all, if you got through Exploding Canon genuinely thinking Bakuda is your usual SI that is avoiding putting too much of the author out there, I'm sorry, you have failed Reading Comprehension: The Game.
I do not equate unusual with authorial insert, but yes, Exploding Canon has a large amount of reminiscing and comparing and contrasting. I was thinking that we as the readers are conditioned to view the stories a certain way via repetition, and some are just slow to adjust. Or the SI could be taken as an OC with issues. That said, whole thing's kind of moot and on reread didn't contribute to my original point. I should've cut that paragraph.

I object to and take personally vague assertions much more readily than extremely precise and specific assertions.
Ok, I can see the problem. You hate people being lazy. And you also hate people leaving flippant comments. Seems... not worth the hackles raised, honestly.

Personally, I just cannot view something like that as assholery. The forums are a place for people to express themselves. For some, like yourself, it means long throughout arguments. For others, it's a five minute break and a yell out to the seven winds. It's not personal, and often aimless. Doesn't make sense to me to treat others by the standards they have neither agreed to, nor even aware of, unless you've made a heavily segregated chatroom.

Personally, I would've just asked the guy to elaborate, and dropped if he didn't. But hey, you do you. I can't tell you what to get mad at.

I'd argue canon Alexandria does lie basically constantly
But that's not ALL she does. She actually has lines where she isn't being deceitful, oh wonder of wonders.
 
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On the subject of Bakuda thinking she might or not might be an Abaddon missile, unless she finds a way to mine meaningful data from any of the entities and shards, it is a moot point, akin to wondering whether there is an invisible dragon that is impossible to touch or see or sense in any way.

Unless of course being an Abaddon missile ostensibly brings with it other circumstances than just being an Abaddon missile. Would being a missile somehow affect Scion's reaction to Bakuda? It depends on whether her shard has been subverted from the Scion network, in which case Jack Slash is dead if she can suprise attack him, maybe pre-cogging and power manipulation dependant on other shards, and in another case, if Scion notices the subversion, he may change course in some manner.

If her shard hasn't been subverted, and she was planted into Bakuda by Abaddon in some sort of xanatos gambit, the only remaining effects would be the same as her being Bakuda by ROB or cosmic coincidence - mainly affecting short term pre-cogs at the least in the local area and long term pre-cogs in a minor or major manner worldwide, unless pre-cogs can in some arcane manner predict out of context problems. I actually wonder whether Coil had his simulation affected when Bakuda was being replaced with the SI. If he hasn't been affected, we can assume A: she is a stealth missile of some sort, probably from Abaddon, or B: Pre-cogs can predict out of context problems which presents its own problems on the fundamental nature of the multiverse/universe within the setting, mainly it having to be a simulation if the multiverse/universe follows the conventional rules we humans assume to be true, or the multiverse/universe merely being the surface of a much stranger reality, where things like spacetime are the tips of the iceberg within weirdness. AKA, simulation or it's nonsense and the surface merely presents a facade of order.

If Coil had his simulation affected by the self inserting, that presents support for the idea that Bakuda is not an Abaddon missile, or at the very least not a stealth(y) one. This of course assumes Abaddon isn't insane and is making decisions to actually achieve an objective. At this point, if there are no other considerations for being a missile, this loops back to my earliest point, that it's a moot point that serves no purpose other than to provide easy distraction. So unless I missed anything else, it's ultimately not that important to Bakuda in the utilitarian sense.
 
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I've known multiple people who eg took classes on psychology, where they could've potentially gone on to become a therapist or the like... and in every such case, it was because they Did Not Get People, and were hoping educational material would fix that problem.
Nah the trick is to take English language instead, because that teaches a lot of nuances about communication. The how instead of psychologys why.
 
in the unlikely event there's a different explanation for being Extremely Obviously Autistic, I know enough to know people would probably still diagnose me with autism instead of identifying The Real Explanation. That's usually what happens when people have an unknown or rare condition that looks a lot like a better-known one.

Yeah this strikes me as fair. Took me a few years to get a proper adhd diagnosis when I managed to be functional enough to not completely fail at everything, they just said anxiety and depression, here's some pills do more therapy. Which to be fair has been an answer for me, it was just the wrong pills and now I know why I procrastinate finding a therapist for literal years on end. Having to shop around for a good fit on that sure doesn't help either, haven't found a good one for me for near ten years at this point.

There's always something to be said about the ability to advocate for oneself in healthcare, but I'd suspect some of the same issues you've mentioned may interfere with doctors taking your opinion seriously - the deli incident you described comes to mind. Which is double obnoxious cause it's their job to listen to patients and finding a doctor that actually does that is way too hard sometimes.
 
I find myself grateful that I only have a touch of the asperger issues, myself. Difficulty looking at eyes, because it's emotionally intense, but not impossible. Some forms of high-pitched singing irritating, but not intolerable. Also apparently I was being insulting to my sister when I described the notes she was hitting as 'physically painful', rather than me trying to give an accurate report on why I didn't like it when she sang. Resting bitch face, yeah. A few other things.

Studying how people really are is simultaneously fascinating and disappointing, but 'wheat and tares growing together' remains a useful analogy.
 
@Ghoul King
Rhetoric is the wrong approach, I tried it first. What you want to study is theater. Not modern theatre with microphones and speakers. Traditional theatre where the only amplification to your voice is your lungs as the structure of the room.

Especially useful is Pantomime and other more physical theatrical performances. Pantomime has been incredibly useful for my ability to emote in such a way that others pick up on it correctly.

Exaggerated emotional gestures performed with the whole body. Exaggerated vocal cues performed forcefully enough that the folks in the back

Rhetoric will not teach you these cues and techniques. They'll teach you about how to use repetition and how to sound convincing... How to weave little stories and try to win trust. Not remotely useful unless you plan to sell used knives or go into politics, or something else involving being a confidence trickster.

Rhetoric doesn't teach you how to emote sadness, fear, joy, and especially important is how to emote physical pain. The responsiveness of doctors to my injuries went up significantly when I learned how to emote pain correctly. I spent a whole week just learning various ways to 'hobble' depending on where in my body the hurt was supposed to be. That alone was fucking magic, and then they taught me how to wince...

And the way you emote in a 'believable' way is that you do an exaggerated emote... and then you just dial it back. Once you know how to do it (correctly) much much too hard, it's easier to do it less hard.

At least that's my advice. Theatre. Voice Acting lessions. Interpretive/storytelling dance. Not rhetoric. (though I took rhetoric, and it's useful in some of the more 'I need to convince you I know what I'm doing' aspects of my job)

Theater is probably a good place to practice expressing yourself, wish I had thought of it when I was younger.

I've known multiple people who eg took classes on psychology, where they could've potentially gone on to become a therapist or the like... and in every such case, it was because they Did Not Get People, and were hoping educational material would fix that problem.

It, uh, didn't work with any of them that I'm aware.

So yeah, between that and my personal experience I pretty strongly agree with this opinion.

It's not completely useless though. It can help tell you what is physically possible in social situations. So you do not spend a ton of time practicing something that is never going to work. It can also help you come up with practice exercises.

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After some more thinking I've come to the conclusion that you probably do not need any psychology for that or even to make it easier. Though you could probably pretty easily fool yourself into thinking it was helpful.
 
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If I got a specific job and became convinced that eg they were illegally refusing to accommodate me in some ways specified by the law, I might pursue a diagnosis then as, basically, a legal bludgeon, but even then I'd be reluctant given the coercive undertone wouldn't exactly win me points.

Well, if you didn't have a diagnosis, they would be quite free to discriminate against you, as at the time you wouldn't have been a member of that protected class.
 
Well, if you didn't have a diagnosis, they would be quite free to discriminate against you, as at the time you wouldn't have been a member of that protected class.
Actually you're a member of the disabled class even if you're only perceived as disabled and not actually disabled as a way to prevent that kind of abuse.
Theater is probably a good place to practice expressing yourself, wish I had thought of it when I was younger.
It's better than just 'practice'. You get a coach. One who knows what they're doing! One who knows how to emote, which a psychologist or a therapist can't actually help you with because they don't know how either, they just do it.

Theatre coaches and voice acting coaches and mime coaches and dance coaches are some of the only human beings who are paid to clinically and effectively explain how to emote. And paid to teach people how to emote.

It's not too late, if there's local amateur theatre groups, you can still get involved with them.
 
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You know what, that is fair, I thought you were going for something different when those things happened, so I had a different take. Please do note that I had read the story before the current argument, so I wasn't connecting the dots to your rant. I'll present my thought process for posterity's sake.

I'm just going to note that, yes, there's confounding factors at work, but you're still fundamentally telling me you developed a theory of what was happening that ignored the internal narration, when the original context was an attempt to support or defend an assertion that Bakuda could've resolved problems if only she used words at them more.

There's a reason I keep emphasizing the irony here.

I do not equate unusual with authorial insert, but yes, Exploding Canon has a large amount of reminiscing and comparing and contrasting. I was thinking that we as the readers are conditioned to view the stories a certain way via repetition, and some are just slow to adjust. Or the SI could be taken as an OC with issues. That said, whole thing's kind of moot and on reread didn't contribute to my original point. I should've cut that paragraph.

Your average 'I'm totally generic and normal, guys! Please buy that this cardboard cutout is a fully realistic rendition of my flesh-and-blood self!' form of SI is deliberately skimpy on many, many personal details, well beyond what falls under banners like 'the actual author has reasons for not wanting to share their real name, such as not wanting people they know in person to happen to read the story and realize it's them', in a manner that is very noticeable. They rarely express opinions or preferences, or allude to hobbies except maybe the self-evident one of writing fanfic and any sub-examples of obviousness. ("This SI into a video game-only setting is a person who plays video games." I would never have guessed, SI) They don't have nervous ticks, unusual things that piss them off, atypical personal rituals, or otherwise have qualities real people have. They will accidentally let slip some info, by virtue of genuinely thinking that eg All Adults Drink and not realizing that this isn't actually universal and even if it were they personally still drink noticeably more than most. But it's almost always pretty obviously an accident, where it got through because they think of it as so normal that it's on the order of admitting you have hair or wear clothes: certainly, there are nudists and people who shave themselves bald and all, but most people take 'has hair and wears clothes' as a given.

Exploding Canon is pretty far removed from that space.

Ok, I can see the problem. You hate people being lazy. And you also hate people leaving flippant comments. Seems... not worth the hackles raised, honestly.

Personally, I just cannot view something like that as assholery. The forums are a place for people to express themselves. For some, like yourself, it means long throughout arguments. For others, it's a five minute break and a yell out to the seven winds. It's not personal, and often aimless. Doesn't make sense to me to treat others by the standards they have neither agreed to, nor even aware of, unless you've made a heavily segregated chatroom.

I'm fine with flippancy. I'm flippant. (You did read the story, right? I'd think I wouldn't need to say this) Laziness doesn't bother me either.

My issue is that 'you could have done better very easily by making different decisions' when the individual saying such does not actually have thought put behind what those different decisions would entail is ludicrously assholeish. Among other ways in which it's a bad thing I can't believe people actually do. There's a reason I made the wheelchair comparison, or more accurately two reasons since the other reason is that most people will recognize without explanation that "Why don't you just take the stairs?" is a horrendously insensitive thing to say to someone in a wheelchair.

The rest of your sentiment here is... laughable on multiple levels. In the first place, we have the issue that this is my thread: I post the story. I participate heavily. I shape discussion on an ongoing basis. You're saying "I don't think your attitude makes sense except in contexts exactly like the one you're applying it in." In the second place, 'human reacts badly to behavior they have not explicated to that particular individual is undesirable' is not, in fact, a way I am unusual. This is the default, everywhere I'm aware of. My childhood would have been considerably less aggravating if this wasn't so. If this is somehow news to you, boy are you in for a surprise when you interact with some other human beings. I at least make an effort to say why I'm not happy with behavior. Plenty of folks are perfectly happy to expect you to psychically know exactly what set them off, not to mention psychically ascertain that there you did meaningfully commit a faux paus rather than happening to be mildly irritating when they were already under tremendous stress, and double-down on being mad at you when you don't immediately recognize what precisely they're mad about.

But that's not ALL she does. She actually has lines where she isn't being deceitful, oh wonder of wonders.

Does she? I'm not so convinced of that, especially given the superbrain and juggling multiple objectives and all.

Though at least unlike Doctor Mother we actually know she contributes in a more physical sense, I'll give you that much.

On the subject of Bakuda thinking she might or not might be an Abaddon missile, unless she finds a way to mine meaningful data from any of the entities and shards, it is a moot point, akin to wondering whether there is an invisible dragon that is impossible to touch or see or sense in any way.

Unless of course being an Abaddon missile ostensibly brings with it other circumstances than just being an Abaddon missile. Would being a missile somehow affect Scion's reaction to Bakuda? It depends on whether her shard has been subverted from the Scion network, in which case Jack Slash is dead if she can suprise attack him, maybe pre-cogging and power manipulation dependant on other shards, and in another case, if Scion notices the subversion, he may change course in some manner.

If her shard hasn't been subverted, and she was planted into Bakuda by Abaddon in some sort of xanatos gambit, the only remaining effects would be the same as her being Bakuda by ROB or cosmic coincidence - mainly affecting short term pre-cogs at the least in the local area and long term pre-cogs in a minor or major manner worldwide, unless pre-cogs can in some arcane manner predict out of context problems. I actually wonder whether Coil had his simulation affected when Bakuda was being replaced with the SI. If he hasn't been affected, we can assume A: she is a stealth missile of some sort, probably from Abaddon, or B: Pre-cogs can predict out of context problems which presents its own problems on the fundamental nature of the multiverse/universe within the setting, mainly it having to be a simulation if the multiverse/universe follows the conventional rules we humans assume to be true, or the multiverse/universe merely being the surface of a much stranger reality, where things like spacetime are the tips of the iceberg within weirdness. AKA, simulation or it's nonsense and the surface merely presents a facade of order.

If Coil had his simulation affected by the self inserting, that presents support for the idea that Bakuda is not an Abaddon missile, or at the very least not a stealth(y) one. This of course assumes Abaddon isn't insane and is making decisions to actually achieve an objective. At this point, if there are no other considerations for being a missile, this loops back to my earliest point, that it's a moot point that serves no purpose other than to provide easy distraction. So unless I missed anything else, it's ultimately not that important to Bakuda in the utilitarian sense.

I mean, right out the gate you're accepting WoG and later-canon bits that I don't because they're irreconcilable with what was actually written/what came before that was better-written in general: the 'Coil is performing precognitive simulations as his actual power' explanation is unbearably stupid, utterly impossible to fit together with things like Coil unambiguously getting actual benefit from combining his power with Dinah's. We're straight-up told precogs interfere with each other, and the only semi-exception we're given is the never-actually-meaningfully-acknowledged nonsense where PtV and the Simurgh are both treated as not being fouled up by 'lesser' precogs, which itself is pretty bluntly just thoughtless, bad writing, not any kind of intentional mechanical distinction.

Anyway, as far as theorizing goes, comparing it to a ROB/cosmic coincidence is... really bizarre to be doing. A character saying "I guess a ROB did it" is (In the absence of something like the ROB straight-up claiming credit) really just an arbitrarily specific rendition of the character admitting that, okay, the thing did happen so obviously there does have to be an explanation, but they have zero idea what that explanation might be. It's just throwing one's hands in the air and giving up on understanding what happened and why.

Which can be justified, mind, but my point is "A bunch of stuff sure would make a lot of sense if this is Abaddon's fault" is, setting aside the question of whether it's a correct theory (That's an entirely different consideration), actually a useful theory. It has a bunch of unknowns and uncertainties, of course, but it provides a model that can be compared against reality to check if there's any obvious inconsistencies, and if it seems to check out it can meaningfully guide decision-making, as it actually has with Bakuda deciding to search for Taylor because this theory suggests Taylor is probably not just appealing-to-Bakuda and so on but actually important.

"I dunno maybe a ROB did it?" doesn't provide any guideposts for determining whether the explanation is possible, and is even less helpful for determining what to do. Like okay, you commit to believing an arbitrary ROB dumped you in Worm as Bakuda: since your theory is literally 'Random Omnipotent Being did this', you have zero guesses on the ROB's personality, intentions, limitations, and so on. If indeed the ROB exists, it might've done this on a lark, and then completely forgot the SI exists because of a divine drinking binge. Or maybe the ROB set up an unwinnable situation to delight in the suffering of the stupid mortal struggling in vain. Or maybe the ROB made a bet with another ROB about how this human would react to being dumped in a flipped-gender body on a hellhole of a setting. (And maybe said ROB lost the bet already and has lost interest, or maybe it's still watching and is willing to fudge results if it thinks the other ROB won't notice)

I could go on literally forever: "I guess a ROB did it?" is a 'theory' that has no meat to it. (Unless the ROB actually talked to you or something, but of course that doesn't apply in this case)

This isn't even getting into more emotional or psychological appeal. If you're in a death world doomed to be destroyed by the most powerful being in the world, it sure is comforting to believe that another being that probably knows what it's doing assigned you the task of killing this ungodly powerful being, as it suggests your task is actually possible, and not a hopeless endeavor from the start. (I've actually had moments where I had Bakuda making video game comparisons, and then cut them because I couldn't get the wording right: "I'm an Abaddon missile" is comparable to the given assumption that a video game is designed to be beatable, in the sense that one might persist in trying to solve the seemingly-unsolvable in a game because of course the game intends for this puzzle or boss fight or whatever to be possible to get past, it can't actually be unsolvable)

There's always something to be said about the ability to advocate for oneself in healthcare, but I'd suspect some of the same issues you've mentioned may interfere with doctors taking your opinion seriously - the deli incident you described comes to mind. Which is double obnoxious cause it's their job to listen to patients and finding a doctor that actually does that is way too hard sometimes.

This has been an issue for me when it comes to the medical care system, yes, though I dunno if the ASD aspect was specifically pertinent. As a concrete, clear example, I've told multiple dentists painkillers don't work on me and would really prefer they didn't bother, because I hate having to suffer through what effects they do have. Not a single dentist has believed me, and it apparently never registered on them that when drilling into my teeth or whatever I was still reacting with pain in spite of them having injected painkillers, not even when I was a child and the default assumption would be this is an honest and unfiltered reaction. One of them used stronger painkillers, so hey, he at least didn't completely blow me off... but he still didn't believe me when I informed him afterward that, nope, I still felt the entire operation.

This has only gotten 'better' as I've read up on teeth and learned that they're actually very sensitive in general and use non-standard systems to detect pressure on the outer layer and whatnot, contrary to the continuous assertions from my childhood that teeth can't feel anything in the first place. And also learned that redheads are known to often have non-standard pain responses... and my beard, if I grow it out, makes me look literally like a leprechaun. HMMMM.

The final result is that I've always found fiction defaulting to characterizing medical professionals as especially empathic and so on to be unbelievable. I've lived all over the US and even spent some time in Germany: nowhere was this stereotype accurate!

I find myself grateful that I only have a touch of the asperger issues, myself. Difficulty looking at eyes, because it's emotionally intense, but not impossible.

Oh. That might be part of why I don't like it. As a very small child I hated emotionally intense experiences, to the point I would get incredibly mad, then get still madder over being so mad, unable to calm myself down. I eventually threw a tantrum so hard over this my nose started spontaneously bleeding, stopping me dead. I didn't really think to connect that to other experiences.

Well, if you didn't have a diagnosis, they would be quite free to discriminate against you, as at the time you wouldn't have been a member of that protected class.

No? If they're able to understand one can have legitimate issues that aren't immediately visible and actually believe that I have the issues I claim -and I'll reiterate people have always found it really obvious that I'm weird, so it's rarely hard for me to convince people who know me at all- then just telling them is adequate to get them trying to accommodate.

Conversely, if they're committed to refusing to accommodate my issues because they don't believe them or whatever, they're quite likely to do their best to keep on discriminating even if I slap down a doctor's note saying I have these issues and all.

There's actually a pretty narrow range of personality profile/motives/etc where they'll Not Get It without an Official Confirmation and then Get It once they have that official confirmation.
 
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