Exploding Canon (Worm SI)

Ghoul, I have to say, I'm deeply relieved to see that there's someone else who hates Amy as much as I do. She's basically the Draco Malfoy of the Worm fandom; a completely loathsome person who is wildly popular for no clear reason.
 
Ghoul, I have to say, I'm deeply relieved to see that there's someone else who hates Amy as much as I do. She's basically the Draco Malfoy of the Worm fandom; a completely loathsome person who is wildly popular for no clear reason.
For what it's worth, I also have a sharply negative opinion of her. For... largely the reasons Ghoul King has been outlining.
 
What? No, this is nonsense. It operates on the premise the SI's world didn't exist/wasn't accessible until the exact moment the SI arrived, or some such nonsense. Either PtV can access it at will, or it can't. End line.

Not even getting into the fact that it's a nonsense premise for PtV/the SI/anyone in-universe to assume the SI is definitely in canon Worm as they recall it. If Worm can be real, why can't Monster? "Alright Cauldron, first you need to get a hold of one Taylor Hebert AKA Skitter, or bug-girl, or-" "Taylor Hebert is calling herself Monster." "Huzzawha?? Whatever, anyway, she controls bugs-" "Actually, she turns into a monster when nobody has a clear view of her." "Bu- wha- no, that's Night! No no no! Anyway, go recruit Taylor Hebert-" and then everything ended in murdertentacles.

Ahh, the best kind of ending. =D The "rocks fall, everybody dies" of fic endings.

If I were to write an SI it would almost certainly be an escalating nightmare where death is the only release. Which ... ok, not too far from what you're doing. Only with more empathy. Which would just make it worse.


In some ways it sounds kind of interesting to try, theoretically, but in practice it sounds, ah, a bit to close to actual nightmares I've had and I don't really want to relive those.

Although… now I'm perversely tempted to write a spiralling-down fic opening with canon!Taylor accidentally killing her first night out. Uh, sorry, I got a bit far a field there and now I'm thoroughly off topic…
 
Amy is a character that's very easy to like at a surface level. She has an obvious 'good' power in her healing, which she uses in a very 'heroic' manner with constant hospital tours, with a strong note of self-sacrifice that runs her ragged, plus external problems like a terrible home life and the emotional mess with her sister, both of which are issues that resonate with plenty of teenagers, even if the latter mostly does so on a 'loving the wrong person' level rather than the 'loving your foster sibling' level.

So, a shallow reading makes it very easy to interpret her as somebody Too Good For This World, dragged down by problems that are either the price of her Pure And Noble Heart Trapped In A Cruel World (she just wants to help everyone, but there aren't enough hours in the day!), or come from external factors that aren't really her fault. All of which makes it very easy to view her as a woobie who needs protection and lots of TLC. The fact that her power has incredible potential for munchkinry in a community that loves optimisation is just icing on the cake, really.

Which sadly makes the whole, "she's a judgemental bitch enabling her sister's lack of self-control and totally willing to damn thousands of innocents because she doesn't like the people saving them" thing unfortunately easy to ignore.

Then again, it's not like Taylor isn't an awful person too...
 
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If I were to write an SI it would almost certainly be an escalating nightmare where death is the only release. Which ... ok, not too far from what you're doing. Only with more empathy. Which would just make it worse.

I'd read it.

Heck, I actually really want to see a story in which Everything Is Going Wrong and The Main Character Has Some Actual Empathy. Most (decent) stories I see -fanfic or otherwise- in which the main character has good empathy are ones in which, like, the Things To Have Empathy For are... distant. Like, in Naruto, we see Sakura feeling bad for Wave Country -a foreign power she's visiting temporarily as part of a job, and will leave and never see again afterward.

It's much rarer for a story to have the things have immediacy on the things with empathy. (Well, unless you're talking individuals, friends who are suffering while the rest of the world is assumed-to-be basically okay)

In some ways it sounds kind of interesting to try, theoretically, but in practice it sounds, ah, a bit to close to actual nightmares I've had and I don't really want to relive those.

Catharsis? Sometimes writing the bad things helps make them go away/not come back/feel less awful. I know that's why most of my favorite stories by other people got written, as most people aren't nearly as gleeful as I am about reading through a story in which Everything Is Terrible Let's Fucking Do it.

(Though sometimes it just means reliving them)

Then again, it's not like Taylor isn't an awful person too...

Well, yeah, but people are at least aware she's not some pure bastion of noble, unblemished Goodness.

There's a reason we get phrases like "Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons." (Which, mind, I've always felt was the exact wrong description for Worm: I'd say "Doing the wrong things for the right reasons.")
 
Well, yeah, but people are at least aware she's not some pure bastion of noble, unblemished Goodness.

There's a reason we get phrases like "Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons." (Which, mind, I've always felt was the exact wrong description for Worm: I'd say "Doing the wrong things for the right reasons.")

Well, that and the sorts of mistakes we see her make generally come in two flavors- idiot ball out of left field (we know you're smarter than this why are you doing this this is stupid goddammit WB) or poor choices borne of bad information that appeal to her various prejudices ( e.g. Why is Lisa able to predict a person's PIN from which hand is dominant but fed everyone bad information about this scenario goddammit WB; or, why is anyone trying strongarm tactics on her again when everyone with half an IQ point has seen she responds poorly, oh look, there she goes again).

She generally doesn't do much of anything out of outright malice other than a couple of times, and typically her targets for said malice are set up to be pretty reprehensible. At least, inasmuch as I recall anyway.

Wrong things for the right reasons would do for a good tagline for Worm or for an imaginary better-written version ;)
 
Well, yeah, but people are at least aware she's not some pure bastion of noble, unblemished Goodness.
Ehhh... I often see a lot of whitewashing, still. I mean, you just took it for granted that you'd want to help Taylor without a second thought in this very story, while I'd probably think twice and twice again about that. I mean I guess if I could reach her really early she's nice enough, but if I were popped in that early, there's other kids in equally shitty situations I can help out. For most of the story, Taylor is a mentally disturbed criminal who mainly justifies fairly horrid actions through circumstances that she had a significant hand in shaping. Her main claim to being a hero is saving the day at the last minute via Deus Ex Machina.
Taylor constantly operates by lifeboat rules, and believes that not only is she best-suited to be in charge of the lifeboat, but the stuff she likes - Brockton Bay, her friends, and her self-image - are all absolutely vital to the lifeboat's continued operation. If anyone disagrees, they're selfish, blind fools, probably stupid and stubborn, possibly corrupt, and must be overridden for the good of the lifeboat - probably by punching another hole in it so that they can't deny they're all sinking.
 
Even the laying awake at night, feeling guilty, still feels like a logical extension of that. I've known people who will work themselves to the bone without consideration for their own health because they want to see other people happy, and this bit of Amy's doesn't fit these people at all. It fits to the duty thing, a gnawing awareness she could be doing more, which feels to her like she should be doing more.
Oh, ok. We're not actually disagreeing there, then. I meant that her dialogue contradicted my impression that you didn't think she felt guilty about being ineffective at all - but if you're acknowledging that she does, just with the caveat that it's caused more by a sense of ingrained duty than a fully realized moral compass, then yes, I think you're continuing to hit the nail on the head - though the optimist in me would combine the impressions of both your readthroughs, where she both genuinely got some degree of joy out of helping people pre-burnout while still being fundamentally motivated by her sense of obligation. I imagine it takes a borderline psychopathic person not get at least a little bit of joy out of curing somebody's cancer, and for all her faults she's never struck me as being so severely maladjusted that she was that callous even at the outset.
The only self-loathing I really recall is regarding her inappropriate love for her sister.
That was definitely there, and arguably the largest source of it, but I don't think it'd be a stretch to say that she extended the sentiment to other aspects of herself, particularly her own moral failings and origins. This is the example that immediately leaps to mind:

She sighed again, "The last person I really remember? It was maybe a week ago, I was working on a kid. He was just a toddler, an immigrant from Cairo, I think. Ectopia Cordis. That's where you're born with your heart outside your body. I was putting everything in the right place, giving him a chance at a normal life."

"What made him so memorable?"

"I resented him. He was lying there, fast asleep, like an angel, and for just a second, I considered just leaving him. The doctors could have finished the job, but it would have been dangerous. He might have died if I'd left him on the table, the job half done. I hated him."

Gallant didn't say anything. Scowling, Panacea stared down at the ground.

"No, I hated that he would have a normal life, because I'd given up mine. I was scared that I might intentionally make a mistake. That I might let myself fuck up the procedure with this kid. I could have killed him or ruined his life, but it would have eased the pressure. Lowered expectations, you know? Maybe it would have even lowered my own expectations for myself. I… I was just so tired. So exhausted. I actually considered, for the briefest moment, abandoning a child to suffer or die."

"That sounds like more than just exhaustion," Gallant replied, quietly.

"Is this how it starts? Is this the point I start becoming like my father, whoever he was?"

Gallant let out a slow breath, "I could say no, that you're never going to be like your father. But I'd be lying. Any of us, all of us, we run the risk of finding our own way down that path. I can see the strain you're experiencing, the stress. I've seen people snap because of less. So yeah. It's possible."

"Okay," she said, just under her breath. He waited for her to elaborate, but she didn't.

"Take a break. Tell yourself it's something you have to do, to recharge your batteries and help more people in the long run."

"I don't think I can."

They sat in silence for a few moments.

This exchange has always interested me, because it strikes me as one of the very rare occasions of something approaching genuine self-awareness on her part. She's not unaware that her moral compass is faulty (even if she feels compelled to view it through the whole irrational father complex), and that seems to be genuinely distressing her, which is really neat to me. She knows that she should be a good person who genuinely enjoys doing good for doing goodness' sake, in the same way that she knows she should be healing, but while she can make herself go out and heal people, she can't force herself to be the sort of person who can do so gladly - no matter how much she wishes she were. I've felt that sort of desire before myself, in other contexts.
Certainly, understanding can produce empathy, but it can also provide the basis of true loathing.
Right. This would be where the "At least for me" bit comes in. Though I feel like there's something to be said for the difference between understanding how a person is terribly, terribly flawed versus why they're that way to begin with.

Then again, I also quite like the likes of King Lear and Dr. Sloper, men who by all accounts really did not have anything in the way of justifiable causes causes for their behavior, so maybe I'm also just unduly fascinated by terrible, pitiable people?
Well, yeah, but people are at least aware she's not some pure bastion of noble, unblemished Goodness.
Well, mostly. You do come across advocates to the contrary on occasion.
The fact that her power has incredible potential for munchkinry in a community that loves optimisation is just icing on the cake, really.
Too much potential, honestly. To the point where I sometimes feel like you'd at least one biology degree to really begin to properly grasp all the implications. This is why I'm not sure how much sense it makes to hold her to account for insisting on wasting the thing on 1:1 healing, incidentally - the more I've thought about it, the less I've been able to wrap my head around how it was handled from a Doylist perspective. I mean, there's the lines given during the S9 arc that gets bandied about a lot that strike me as a sort of attempted handwave:
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"Just- I'm just keeping her complacent. I'm okay with it if she doesn't forgive me for it. Don't deserve it anyways. I do this, and then I'll go somewhere I can be useful. Only reason I haven't made more of myself and my power is because of the rules and regulations about exploiting minors with powers. Either go into government or don't work at all, and didn't want to go into government because they would have made me a weapon. And because I needed to be with my family."

She smiled, but it wasn't a happy expression. "Burned that bridge. But I'm sixteen now, I can get a job somewhere, start making a real difference with my power."

Where it's implied she hasn't done anything with it because of her age and the legalities involved, which does go a pretty long way, honestly, as explanations go. But even setting her ability to make things or work in a formal capacity aside, the comprehension aspect of her power alone means that she should be able to sit down with a neurologist for an hour and give him enough dirt to completely revolutionize multiple fields of medicine. Or, if that's too close to something like actual work, just start a blog, and let anybody who with actual credentials who wants to follow up on her tips do so. There's a certain extent to which you can handwave that too, arguing that her comprehension is innate and that she lacks the vocabulary to readily explain things to people, but not only is that not really borne out by the text, it's an obstacle that could be easily overcome with time and training if she just hit the textbooks... which she never gives any indication of doing either. It's enough to make me suspect that Wildbow either didn't fully consider the all the batshit implications of her power or just didn't really want to bother dealing with them.
Her main claim to being a hero is saving the day at the last minute via Deus Ex Machina.
She also founded an orphanage, tbf. Though in retrospect that may have been unofficial and/or highly illegal. Did we ever hear about her filing any of the necessary paperwork for that?
 
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She also founded an orphanage, tbf. Though in retrospect that may have been unofficial and/or highly illegal. Did we ever hear about her filing any of the necessary paperwork for that?

Lisa might have, but I think Lisa's shelter was the official legal one, and Taylor's was just her being able to take in kids from her neighborhood. Filing papers would tell people it existed, and she didn't want that, yes?
 
Ehhh... I often see a lot of whitewashing, still. I mean, you just took it for granted that you'd want to help Taylor without a second thought in this very story, while I'd probably think twice and twice again about that. I mean I guess if I could reach her really early she's nice enough, but if I were popped in that early, there's other kids in equally shitty situations I can help out. For most of the story, Taylor is a mentally disturbed criminal who mainly justifies fairly horrid actions through circumstances that she had a significant hand in shaping. Her main claim to being a hero is saving the day at the last minute via Deus Ex Machina.

I really really don't agree with this, or basically any statement to the effect that "Taylor is not a hero".

I've said something to this effect on SB before, but I picked up Worm having been promised a Villain Protagonist, full stop. I was completely baffled when, in that first scene in the bathroom where Taylor summons all the bugs, she didn't go Carrie. "Alright," I thought to myself later, once it was clear that she was actually planning to be a hero, "I see that the writer's going for a slow burn on the villainy. I suppose that's probably a good sign; an extended descent into darkness from a starting point as such a moral paragon should be interesting."

It never happens. Or at least, it certainly hadn't by the time I dropped the story (Interlude 21). Instead, we learn that wildbow believes that he can just switch which sides get the names "hero" and "villain" and that makes for a perfectly good villain protagonist. He thought I wouldn't notice that he'd essentially taken Luke Skywalker and declared him the bad guy on the basis that Darth Vader has legal authority here, but continued writing both characters the exact same way.

Skitter was not a villain; I assure you that I wouldn't have dropped the story if she was. I've learned from fandom osmosis that she apparently actually does join Team Villain at some point after where I dropped the story, but from what I've heard wildbow couldn't figure out how to write it so he just timeskipped past most or all of it.
 
(This all being premised on the idea that I have an accurate perception of myself, which is a bit shaky. A recurring issue I have with SIs is that the author is quite clearly not the kind of person they imagine themselves to be, whether it regards bravery, or compassion, or whatever)

That said, I do agree that most Sis are not at all constructed as a meaningful representation of the author. Typically, they're the author's agent more than they are the author, themself. "I want Panacea to have a happy ending!" SI busily makes it happen. "I want Taylor to have a happy ending!" SI busily makes that happen, too.

With little thought given to what they, themselves, would do if they were actually placed in that situation. Most people don't look at a course of action that risks life and limb, and go "Sure why not." (Or if they do, it's because they don't really think of skydiving as dangerous, that kind of thing)

I have an unfinished SI story, where the SI solved the ostensible problem, but the day isn't saved yet, because his team still needs to get out. He's keenly aware of how much risk they're in, how much responsibility.

Aaand I can't get into the headspace of me from 11-years ago to finish it. I know what was supposed to happen, but I'm not sure I can match tone.

It looks to me a lot more like the main relevancy of Carol not loving her is that it pushed her closer to Victoria, possibly helping plant the seeds for her inappropriate love/lust.
TVTropes theorized that it's Vicky's fault. Specifically, using her Awe Aura around Amy, at a critical stage in her sexual development. Apparently Wildbow confirmed it.
 
I've learned from fandom osmosis that she apparently actually does join Team Villain at some point after where I dropped the story, but from what I've heard wildbow couldn't figure out how to write it so he just timeskipped past most or all of it.

She has a scene where she breaks into the headquarters of a bunch of capes who tried to use their powers for economic benefit instead of joining the Hero or Villain teams, and then beats them all up?

And then she shoots a baby, later! In front of the baby's older brother. And she mind controls the brother later, but that one doesn't really count as anything.
 
She has a scene where she breaks into the headquarters of a bunch of capes who tried to use their powers for economic benefit instead of joining the Hero or Villain teams, and then beats them all up?

And then she shoots a baby, later! In front of the baby's older brother. And she mind controls the brother later, but that one doesn't really count as anything.

Well that's encouraging, I suppose. I dunno, maybe I'll go back to Worm sometime.
 
TVTropes theorized that it's Vicky's fault. Specifically, using her Awe Aura around Amy, at a critical stage in her sexual development. Apparently Wildbow confirmed it.
Well, sort of. The actual exchange:
Some guy said:
"I've been wondering, how much of Panacea's attraction for Glory Girl was Glory Girl's fault? I mean, she had a super power that affects people's emotions, making those who like her admire and be awestruck by her. Feelings like that could easily translate over into love and Panacea had a lot of long term exposure to it. Sure she became immune eventually, but only eventually. Couple that with the fact that Panacea felt close to -only- Glory Girl and I'm more inclined than ever to think that Glory Girl brought it on herself, even if unintentionally."
Wildbow said:
I wondered if anyone would pay any attention to that.
 
Ehhh... I often see a lot of whitewashing, still. I mean, you just took it for granted that you'd want to help Taylor without a second thought in this very story, while I'd probably think twice and twice again about that. I mean I guess if I could reach her really early she's nice enough, but if I were popped in that early, there's other kids in equally shitty situations I can help out. For most of the story, Taylor is a mentally disturbed criminal who mainly justifies fairly horrid actions through circumstances that she had a significant hand in shaping. Her main claim to being a hero is saving the day at the last minute via Deus Ex Machina.
I would absolutely help Taylor, on the logic that:
  1. The setting contorts itself around Taylor to establish and maintain her hypercompetence.
  2. Taylor goes to extreme lengths to protect the people she cares about.
  3. Therefore, become one of those.
Throughout a story in which entire countries are slaughtered and whole prisons of supervillains are vaporized in desperate last stands, Taylor loses... two people she actually cared about. And one of them was Regent, and he had to charge into battle against a living nuke armed with nothing but a novelty taser for that to happen. Regardless of how you feel about Taylor's moral grounding, she's a safe place to stand if you're a parahuman she likes.
 
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I mean, this story "Exploding Canon" is supposedly a self-insert. Do you feel like you know a thing about who Ghoul King is in his off-internet life after reading it?

Surprisingly, yes.

What? No, this is nonsense. It operates on the premise the SI's world didn't exist/wasn't accessible until the exact moment the SI arrived, or some such nonsense. Either PtV can access it at will, or it can't. End line.

I'm now interested in an SI story where one of the following two cases is true:
  1. Everything exists according to canon, except for the bits that isn't already known to Cauldron and can't be verified by Thinkers. That stuff has been completely changed up. Maybe Wildbow got a stray Thinker shard that somehow found its way over to our universe, and it inspired him to write Worm. Except, of course, for the bits that the shard is blind to. Either Wildbow or Wildbow's shard made those bits up (actually, we could maybe use that excuse for all of the weird bits that just don't seem to hold up. The shard didn't give WB everything so he filled in the gaps and, well, he didn't do a perfect job of it.).
  2. There are also other things in canon that are not as canon would have us believe, so the SI has a 50/50 chance of being correct about any given "hunch." This might on its own be viewed as a semi-decent Thinker power by other people, actually: You're wrong as often as you're right, but when you're right, it's sometimes about some really weird stuff that nobody expected (unfortunately, when you're wrong, acting on your mistaken impressions is liable to turn out disastrously, so you had better out how to verify before you take action).

It never happens. Or at least, it certainly hadn't by the time I dropped the story (Interlude 21). Instead, we learn that wildbow believes that he can just switch which sides get the names "hero" and "villain" and that makes for a perfectly good villain protagonist. He thought I wouldn't notice that he'd essentially taken Luke Skywalker and declared him the bad guy on the basis that Darth Vader has legal authority here, but continued writing both characters the exact same way.

I'm gonna have to steal this description for the future.

Also, you got a lot further than I did. I checked out shortly after Leviathan, because I'd already gotten spoilers from the wiki and on the grapevine, and I didn't want to slog through stuff like the S9000 just to say that I completed the story.
 
*reads the OP alerts.

Of all the Author teasing I've had to deal with, this is the most aggravating. I mean seriously. after multiple 1K+ posts you expect one of em to be an update right? It's like I'm 5 again, my parents waking me up at 6:30 on a weekend telling me we're going to disneyland. And then we go on a 3 hour car ride and then we come to this fucking donut place and they go like "Oh, you thought we was going today? no i meant 6 months from now."
 
There's a reason we get phrases like "Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons." (Which, mind, I've always felt was the exact wrong description for Worm: I'd say "Doing the wrong things for the right reasons.")
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As she risks life and limb, Taylor faces the dilemma of having to do the wrong things for the right reasons.
 
She's got her black-and-white morality thing, and I loathe that. She's judgmental about morality in a way few Worm characters are -we don't actually see Protectorate capes doing a lot of "You are a very bad criminal person and I am Judging you", for instance, even though they are law enforcement- which would irritate me on its own but in conjunction with her doing stuff like blithely covering for Victoria torturing a gang member to protect New Wave's reputation it makes her a colossal hypocrite of the sort I consider to be pretty much the most loathsome possible.
Reminds me a bit of Taylor, to be honest.

Panacea desperately wants there to be clear black-and-white lines, because if that's the case then she can stay firmly in the Good Guy category and not worry about whether having a biological apocalypse at her fingertips and a villain for a dad means she's going to do something awful some day. Skitter, on the other hand, relies entirely on the primacy of shades of grey to justify her actions, even when they clearly don't. That whole "shades of grey" chat she has in the post-Leviathan medical tent is sort of undermined by the fact that she's not actually been engaging in shades of grey, she's just been a stupid teenager who did some dumb and horrible shit to no good outcome.

Later on, rather than Good/Evil, Taylor leans on Selfish/Selfless, so that when she does something awful it's a terrible sacrifice and she's really selfless for doing it, but when someone else does something awful to her it's monstrously short-sighted and self-centered.

They both engage in willful ignorance in service to their worldview. That's... people, really, and early on Amy's is a more sympathetic worldview to me than Taylor's.

She's got an amazing power and refuses to use it in any manner except the one that puts the most social burden on her and then resents the entire rest of the world for said burden, and no I'm not complaining about her suffering burnout I know that's a thing and I understand it, I'm complaining about how she's adamant on only using her power in this one way that's making her miserable.
She's a teenage girl who's deeply insecure about the nature of her own capabilities, raised by people who rely on constant public goodwill to operate, in a setting where the two big representatives of biological alteration are Nilbog and Bonesaw. Hell, the only other candidate we're aware of is Blasto, and he thought it was a good idea to clone the Simurgh. I can forgive her for not wanting to dip into retroviruses and benign symbiotes and GM crops or whatever, if those are her potential rolemodels.

(if all she does is heal people, how the hell did Bonesaw just randomly know that she had ridiculously comprehensive biological manipulation capabilities?)

It is rather less forgiveable that those around her never raised this. As far as we can tell, no-one at New Wave ever makes a peep about a 17 year-old girl pulling down a more-than-full-time job while having basically no social life or friends or anyone to talk to. It's not as though they don't understand the concept of burnout or mental illness; they seem largely at peace with her extremely depressed father's needs. Failing that, it beggars belief that no doctors would have raised this topic with her, but honestly, the whole model for how Panacea is "used" suggests that Wildbow just doesn't understand how hospitals work. If nothing else, it beggars belief that Brockton Bay isn't Medical Tourism Central, considering how Panacea's work there is portrayed. The only other medical aspect of the city is the presence of MedHall (which exists solely to give Kaiser a Lex Luthor-style businessman alter ego that's never explored).

Panacea's undoing is a complete and total lack of any real support network; but it's a lack I have trouble believing, because she's presented as insanely valuable.

If they can give fucking Sveta a therapist, you'd think they'd book in Amy Dallon, faith healer to the stars.

Then when the Nine come along, she wants to shut out the world and stop participating. It requires Bonesaw coercing her to get her into any kind of active mindset, and even then once she latches onto Taylor she stops thinking for herself -except insofar as she can fuck over the person currently fighting the Slaughterhouse Nine, because it's so important to prevent Evil Taylor from taking over the city after the Nine have left, never mind how unlikely it is for Taylor to survive the fight and never mind that Evil Taylor running the city with an iron fist is an improvement over the city being reduced to a bloody wasteland because the Nine got to run roughshod over the whole thing. And also never mind that her basis for assuming Taylor is lolevil is the Villain label, rather than her actual behavior.
What you're saying here doesn't really make any sense.
  1. Bonesaw showing up at Amy's house is, iirc, the first she hears of the Slaughterhouse Nine being in town. It's part of the whole raft of recruitment interludes that follow the whole "take control of Shadow Stalker, infiltrate the PRT, and apparently drive her to suicide" plan. She doesn't have an opportunity to display a passive or active mindset up until that point.
  2. As far as I can recall, her immediate decision upon learning they're trying to recruit her is "get away from my friends and family", both because she's done some horrible shit in the middle of a breakdown, and ignoring the problem until it fades away seems like an easier out that facing up to it, and because sticking around your family while the Slaughterhouse Nine seem to confirm all your worst fears about yourself is a gut instinct bad idea. Armsmaster has a similar reaction, he just channels it productively because he has a support network and isn't a burned out 17 year-old girl.
  3. She only cripples Taylor's capabilities insofar as she refuses to give her a long-term weapon for a short-term problem. She massively expands her arsenal, but refuses to make that arsenal a sustainable one. This is an intelligent decision. The only way it can backfire is if the Slaughterhouse Nine stick around for weeks to follow, in which case they're facing an unprecedented disaster and are probably all dead anyway.
  4. Taylor's actual behaviour, judged independently from the villain label, has been awful. Her first meeting with Panacea was threatening random civilians with deadly insects, while her friend threatened to expose all her psychological laundry. Her second meeting was healing Skitter immediately before she broke the truce rules of an Endbringer attack and got away with it (which she'll have heard about, as a faux-Ward, regardless of whether she knows about the Armsmaster incident), in between which she engaged in what can only be called a terrorist attack. The last thing Taylor did before the Nine attack was kidnap a Ward, subject her to an invasive Master effect, directly assault the PRT HQ to steal private information on heroes, and apparently drive the aforementioned Ward - someone Amy knows, regardless of whether she likes her - to attempted suicide.
Oh and she retaliates against Taylor post-Leviathan for what Tattletale did, because of course she believes the individual who didn't even do it ought to be punished for a course of action done by someone defending themselves from an individual Amy knows is prone to going overboard with the people she fights. (Yes yes, the Undersiders are stealing from the bank and that's why they're in a fight with Glory Girl in the first place. That doesn't mean they deserve whatever harm she is likely to inflict on them, which given what we see of her interrogation of an E88 thug seems alarmingly likely to be "whoops I accidentally killed them") The fact that this 'retaliation' directly lead into Taylor "violating the Endbringer Truce" isn't even necessary for this to be godawful, but honestly the only part of that outcome that's unlikely is where Taylor happens to run across the one person she can't possibly risk a mutual unmasking with. Otherwise the entire thing is firmly Panacea's fault, and it's utter nonsense (In the sense of "what a goddamn bitch", not in the sense of "Goddammit Wildbow") she did it at all.
I can't help but be somewhat puzzled by this, since Panacea's "retaliation" consists of refusing to tell Taylor whether or not Tattletale is dead; which has no impact on her decision to bug out and go rushing through the medical tent. She clearly enjoys not telling her why three Protectorate members are coming to see her, which has the actual impact, but that's not her call. She's been told by the PRT to keep Taylor in the dark, which is a baffling decision, but it's not hers. She was bitchy and vindictive, but engaged in no material retaliation, and being rude to someone who's been nothing but awful to you is certainly not something that she could have expected would lead to Taylor rushing into a restricted hospital area, considering a) she's in handcuffs, b) Taylor herself admits it was pretty stupid of her not to realize why she was in handcuffs.

Taylor accuses Panacea of seeing everything in black and white, but again; her resume at that point is "robbed a bank" and "attacked a charity gala". She's not exactly shown off any hidden depths.

Even little things she does manage to get me, like how she "apologizes" to Taylor when she explains she's making death plagues while talking to Jack and so Jack and Taylor should be dead many times over. Like, okay, you're fine with fucking over Taylor for no actual reason, repeatedly, but you feel the need to pretend to apologize for theoretically incidentally killing her in the process of dealing with Jack? What is this shit, and why should I believe it's a genuine apology as opposed to some subtle way of being mean?
The other parts I can understand, even if I don't agree, but this is just a bizarrely willful interpretation. Panacea asks Jack why he isn't dead, considering she's been making death-plagues to kill him and Bonesaw, and when Taylor goes "what about me", Panacea says "I didn't know you were there. You should be dead too. Sorry." That reads as dialogue in a tense situation, not a "pretend" apology. This comes just paragraphs after she admitted that Skitter and Tattletale were among the only people to actually pay attention to her; "some subtle way of being mean" is a tremendously counter-intuitive reading.

Honestly, as tired as I am of Panacea as a character, and as much as I have trouble connecting with fandom beanbags, and as much as I feel she's one of a long list of amazing wow so powerful and important setting entities that have been clumped into Brockton Bay for no good reason and with no particular impact on the setting, I think you're viewing Panacea too much through the lens of Taylor's mask. She treats Taylor like a self-serving bitch in the early story, because the sum total of her interactions with her - prior to a mental breakdown provoked by a cascade of implausible events in the middle of what amounts to the apocalypse - have cast Taylor as a self-serving bitch.

Even accepting your read of her as amoral and acting solely on the expectations of society, rather than a moral person who's under too much external and internal pressure to properly function and no real support network to ease the strain... Your judgement of her is bafflingly harsh. And I say this as someone who rags on Worm for more-or-less everything.
 
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Where it's implied she hasn't done anything with it because of her age and the legalities involved, which does go a pretty long way, honestly, as explanations go.

Somewhat later, but before the timeskip and while she's still with her family, Dinah makes clear that she is charging for the use of her powers, despite being as underage as Amy is here.
 
*reads the OP alerts.

Of all the Author teasing I've had to deal with, this is the most aggravating. I mean seriously. after multiple 1K+ posts you expect one of em to be an update right? It's like I'm 5 again, my parents waking me up at 6:30 on a weekend telling me we're going to disneyland. And then we go on a 3 hour car ride and then we come to this fucking donut place and they go like "Oh, you thought we was going today? no i meant 6 months from now."

You must not be familiar with Ghoul King's style. I don't think I've seen a story post that's as short as 4K words. If it isn't even that long, then it definitely isn't an update.

(This is no doubt annoying to some people, but personally I enjoy the in-depth commentary, especially since, at this point, I know whether an alert is for a story or more discussion.)
 
I've said something to this effect on SB before, but I picked up Worm having been promised a Villain Protagonist, full stop....Instead, we learn that wildbow believes that he can just switch which sides get the names "hero" and "villain" and that makes for a perfectly good villain protagonist. He thought I wouldn't notice that he'd essentially taken Luke Skywalker and declared him the bad guy on the basis that Darth Vader has legal authority here, but continued writing both characters the exact same way.

I think there's another problem here--it's how you define "evil": Some people think that certain actions are good or evil in themselves regardless of why you are doing them. Other people would say that taking the best of several bad options is not evil, even if the exact same action would be evil if you just did it for the lulz.

If you define evil in the first way, then Taylor is evil. I find that definition indefensible, but people do think that way. And it seems that when Wildbow claims Taylor is evil and a villain, that's the definition he's using: ruthless but necessary actions are automatically evil. She killed a baby! She carved someone's eyes out! Only evil villains do that. It doesn't matter that the Worm world is so shitty that those are the best choices.

Or to put it another way, "doing the wrong things for the right reasons" is nonsense. Things aren't "wrong things" independently of the reasons you do them. Even killing a baby isn't a "wrong thing", if you do it under circumstances which are so bad that they really do justify killing that baby.
 
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