[Exalted, ?] Most High

The flexibility and esoteric abilities of Noble Phantasms is worth more than simply being able to hit and move faster in the end.

The main issue isn't which is better. The main issue is that Gil doesn't use them all at one time, whereas Odyssial would be using all of the power granted to maximum efficiency in acquiring more power, immediately. And at a certain point, stacked speed does beat everything, because you can just kill any enemy before they can react to use their ultimate defense.
 
Wasn't there a canon 1st age cabal of Twilights who thought it was a good idea to tear down and rebuild creation?
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld

So if he doesn't become a Deathlord, what happens to Odyssial's ghost? I really don't see him just going into lethe and even without a Solar exaltion Odyssial with the ability to use charms is still scary.
 
So if he doesn't become a Deathlord, what happens to Odyssial's ghost? I really don't see him just going into lethe and even without a Solar exaltion Odyssial with the ability to use charms is still scary.
If we take sorcery, he uses that power to make sure that he reincarnates as himself, and receives his own Exaltation!

How? I have no freaking clue. But Odyssial can find a way, even through the uncharted lands of death.
 
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Subdued of the who'd also offer a lasting legacy in the fact that dragon blooded lines loyal to Odyssial survived in the threshold, provides an ablative layer for the Balorian crusade. Wins the loyalty of several Solars and can ensure that the Raksha fear Odyssial as the End of Stories.


I really want proof of Odyssials legend to survive.
 
Closer then I feared, perhaps there is still hope!

Unsurprising really, they both offer similar things. They both increase the wealth of the realm, they both leave a mark on history, they both give a power up; anti-fae for one and the general bonus of sorcery and greatness for the other. They both also potentially grant minions; sidereal and sorcerers for one and terrestrials for the other.

Really the fact we have almost a 50:50 split is pretty expected, it's basically simple personal preference.
 
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Unsurprising really, they both offer similar things. They both increase the wealth of the realm, they both leave a mark on history, they both give a power up; anti-fae for one and the general bonus of sorcery and greatness for the other. They both also grant minions sidereals for one and terrestrials for the other.

Really the fact we have almost a 50:50 split is pretty expected, it's basically simple preference.
Sorcery does increase Lea power some more you know and increase power on mortals in Odyssial dormain.
 
We made Odyssial Lord Strategos for the Host and made him a field commander. He works best in groups and this seems more in character than focusing on personal power. And while sorcery will improve his deme we it still pales incomparable with expanding creation and bringing back the financial resources of the venture as well as over a million loyal dragon blooded.
 
If we take sorcery, he uses that power to make sure that he reincarnates as himself, and receives his own Exaltation!
I believe this is the case regardless; we wind up with the same soul and Exaltation anyway. Taking sorcery only abets his efforts, making Ulyssian more like Odyssial by ensuring more of his traits and possibly even memories carry over into the Age of Sorrows, which is not necessarily desirable if you want them to be at least somewhat distinct as individuals.
Sorcery does increase Lea power some more you know and increase power on mortals in Odyssial dormain.
As does Subduer! With the riches snatched from the grasp of the Wyld, we can uplift our personal kingdom into a shining bastion of wealth and prosperity.
 
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You know, I want this quest to be the quest of Odyssial or at least the continuation of Odyssial ideals, dreams, hopes and optimization living through Ulyssian.
 
So we can infer that Odyssials deme semis still one of the greatest int the world. What will improve it more the titanic resources taken from the wyld or the power of sorcery. I would prefer resources as sorcerous workings will fade with time plus it would ensure that loyal dragon blooded survived into the second age.
 
They both also grant minions; sidereal for one and terrestrials for the other.

The sorcery one does not really give sidereal minions, rather it opens up the option to prevent the Wrecking. If this is good or bad is more hard to pin down. Good: Creation stays stable a bit longer, bad: There are elder essences Sidreals with free accsess to their bullshit kung fu running around hiding in tea cups killing the solars that the Wyld hunts fail to hunt down.
 
Sorcery gives us a celestial circle sorceror elder lunar still madly in love with us in the future yeah.
And Subduer gives us a cadre of fanatically loyal Dragon-Blooded who have kept the faith despite many centuries of untold hardship. If you're looking for enduring benefits external to Odyssial himself, it is definitely the superior option. Sorcerous remnants from the other option are a double-edged sword, if we don't even know how they work or what their objective is.
 
Come on guys the Oryssial here is the general of the host and so works best with an army. Getting a dragon blooded army seems better than potential for surviving sorcerous works. I also want Ulyssian to develop into his on person separate but similar to Odyssial.
 
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