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An example of an Ambition 2 Solar Working is changing how reincarnation functions over an area. I wonder how well an Ambition 3 one could complement Ody's already extant plans.

Look we're going to be exalting in a probably public fashion in the middle of a Dragonblooded Academy, we do not need to make things even harder by having a fate ninja hitsquad being sent after us.
If Sorcery means that Odyssial has greater reincarnation fidelity I pity the Sidereals.

And on that note I'll be going to sleep. I'll pick up my arguments in the morning.
 
Personally, I'm kind of a sucker for past lives more directly impacting reincarnations, which is why I rather like the thought of Ody succeeding and all those other ripple effects Sorcery would cause, whereas I just don't think the Fae alone remembering us is enough to make me choose Subduer because they seem a bit more peripheral than the other stuff.

They won't be, in all likelihood. Not moreso than, say... the Abyssals.
 
Not impossible, but challenging even for Odyssial's abilities, especially as there is no mechanical way to exceed 5 dots in an Attribute or Ability while you're on a human chassis (Though mastering Charms to allow you to effectively do so is a thing, and it's likely that Odyssial would have all of them.)

EDIT: I actually tried simulating it, he could pull it off within 10-12 rolls, but actually getting that many to try for it would require years of prep time and a full year actually implementing it where he wasn't doing anything else, plus materials on par with a Deathlord's corpus and another Adamant Circle Sorcerer he was willing to trust to cooperate.

I have been told there is a Larceny Charm that allows one to do it within 4-5 rolls, even within raw. But, given the massive timesink of performing one of these things, its marginal value is probably just not that high, since Workings cost XP as well. Not worthless, but not a strictly better use of time.

I see this and wonder why we're going to all this trouble to have a sword installed in our anima when we could have an army of ten thousand fully equipped, fanatical First Age elite dragonbloods sitting in there instead just going by RAW. Plus our own custom-designed Incarna 2.0 to lead them.

I imagine if Ambition 3 sufficed to create an Incarna, the Solars would have done so. That being-creation clause seems deliberately vague, it's almost certainly more along the lines of a Third Circle - or, more accurately, it's left completely up to ST fiat, but the implied derivation is a 3CD.

You won't have a fanatically loyal DB cadre if you don't take Subduer of the Wyld! A catch-22.

Also, given that it would occupy him for a whole month, and permanently remove a large portion of his existing power base from Creation in the present, the benefits seem dubious for the cost, at least from the perspective of First Age Odyssial. Any effort expended on this would be, in his eyes, far more productively spent on the reincarnation plan, until that plan is perfected, which even Greatness 10 cannot guarantee. Without knowing in advance that it is the Usurpation he must plan against - because these things always seem much more obvious in hindsight - how is he to know that he would benefit more from a legion later, rather than having access to those forces now? He would, after all, much rather simply obliterate any enemy that attempts to fight him with force and just not die, and most of his preparations are focused around not dying in the first place, which is one reason he was so hard to bring down.

Also, they wouldn't be stored in his anima, they'd be cast into the outer darkness from some part of Creation; you'd have to go to that part to retrieve them, assuming you remember where and how and that they exist.
 
Bearing in mind that I haven't been keeping track of your reasoning, specifically:
You can still get Sorcery and keep the Wracking.
Yeah, but it is one of the more intrigueing consequences of Sorcery, seeing how I don't care that much for the raw power increase, and there's a signficant danger that the sunk-cost fallacy and other stuff drives people to choose it just because they can.
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld


The main reason I am choosing this is I at least want a portion of Odyssial's legend to survive into the second age and we chose Lord Strategos for Odyssial instead of Protector of the West, we should operate as the leader of the Exalted Host and do the thing that matches. I would feel that something like the Adamant Circle would have been best with the other choice as it spreads sorcery to the entire western direction, but right now Subduer is better as it takes advantage of the fact that Odyssial is Lord Strategos, and the main reason we chose it was that it would unlock options later on. Well Subduer of the Wyld seems to be one of those unlocked options.
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
Yeah, I've been fully convinced. The wracking isn't all bad for us, I don't particularly want the reincarnation gambit to succeed very well, and a Dragonblooded legion + vastly expanding Creation is worthwhile to me.
 
[x] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle - Inaugerated into the Adamant Circle, Odyssial numbered among the greatest willworkers ever to live. Countless workings he wove into himself, power beyond the furthest reaches of mere superhuman skill, and the denizens of Hell learned to fear one summoner in particular. Sorcerous enlightenment became relatively common in his realm, and it is a stranger and more wondrous place, steeped in arcane traditions and myth.
 
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[ ] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle - Inaugerated into the Adamant Circle, Odyssial numbered among the greatest willworkers ever to live. Countless workings he wove into himself, power beyond the furthest reaches of mere superhuman skill, and the denizens of Hell learned to fear one summoner in particular. Sorcerous enlightenment became relatively common in his realm, and it is a stranger and more wondrous place, steeped in arcane traditions and myth.
Don't forget the X.
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld

We choose to become head of Solar force better to use this in effect,and this is simple more than mechanic benefit,revenge and fury.
 
Rihaku said:
Lea: I have no true self. Behind the mask, I am nothing.
Ody: That's awesome. Can you teach me?
… This is the most terrifying combination.
"You're right," she finally said, and there was something in her voice that had not been there before. "I just developed that power. I think I like you, Odyssial."
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
"You can't like me," he interjected, "you don't have likes or dislikes."

"I just gave myself one, on a whim. And then I marked it as true, and inviolate."
*Assuming the fetal position*
*breathing into a paper bag*
He supposed, in time, they would be able to look back upon this day and judge whether things had gone terribly, terribly wrong, or terribly, terribly right.
The thing about Lea is that she can probably manage both of these at once.
 
… This is the most terrifying combination.

Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
*Assuming the fetal position*
*breathing into a paper bag*
The thing about Lea is that she can probably manage both of these at once.
Too late Guile.

Lea is an total Yandere. Now, it's either reincarnation with sorceory and keeping her as an ally or not reincarnate and her not acknowledging udy=ody thus wasting all our actions.

Also I would really like Ody to live through Udy.
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld

The thematic appeal of being feared by basically everything in Creation and a fair number of things outside it is too tempting to pass up, especially as I do not view a perfect reincarnation as an inherently good thing.
 
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Damn, I take an evening off and this happens. Everything is ruined forever!

Subduer and Sorcerer are the ones I consider absolutely crucial. Charging off into the depths of Chaos and breaking off huge chunks of the Wyld to add to Creation is the kind of absurd act only possible in the greatest age. Ody's domain being a stranger and more wondrous place is just cool, it serves as a decent substitute for Apex Flight, AND it gives Lea Sorcerous power. Also, terrifying the denizens of hell is all kinds of hilarious. He not only personally kicked the architects of creation down into hell, he also began using them to fulfill his core values, whatever those may be.

[X] Subduer
Sorry Siddies, no Prevented Wracking for you. Ody is too busy punching fairies. It's just as well, I remember the mindless rage we had in previous Uly quests towards the workers of fate.
 
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[x] Subduer of the Wyld

I would switch my votes if Ody doesn't have great odds of a perfect reincarnation. Essentially I'm willing to take a die roll on Lea to lock down DB support.
 
Preventing the Wracking is more important than carving out some more land.
How can you say it's important the Wracking be stopped, when we don't even know for sure what it is? Anyway, it's observed effects are not all deleterious to us; the death of most of the Elder Sidereals not only removes the people most likely to fear and hate a returned Odyssial, it gives us more freedom to work in the absence of the omnipresent threat of teacup ninjas. From a narrative standpoint, a Creation imperiled makes for a better story.
 
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How can you say it's important, when we don't even know for sure what it is? Anyway, it's observed effects are not all deleterious to us; the death of most of the Elder Sidereals not only removes the people most likely to fear and hate a returned Odyssial, it gives us more freedom to work in the absence of the omnipresent threat of teacup ninjas. From a narrative standpoint, a Creation imperiled makes for a better story.

And more opportunity to grab power in a power vacuum. Screw the sidies.
 
Too late Guile.

Lea is an total Yandere. Now, it's either reincarnation with sorceory and keeping her as an ally or not reincarnate and her not acknowledging udy=ody thus wasting all our actions.

Also I would really like Ody to live through Udy.
1. It's Uly, not Udy.
2. That's not what Yandere means.

It's certainly possible that a too inaccurate reincarnation will upset Lea, but there is nothing Yandere about her origin story.
She neither started with plans to do Odyssial any harm, nor did she plan to kill anyone elese who gets close to him and she didn't plan some sort of fucked up double suicide thing.

Yes, the way they met is honestly very weird, but all that really happened is that Lea had a power that allowed her to pick her own personality and goals, but no inherent personality and goals because she got her powers too early to develop those.
She then met Ody, thanks to him figured out a way to create a core personality and goal that isn't affected by her powers, which makes it effectively the same as having a true personality she can revert to, and decided that her core personality should start as someone that loves Ody and is perfectly compatible with him.

The end result was someone perfectly compatible with Odyssial and then they loved each other fiercely for centuries.
That's it.
All potential Yandere like traits are incidental and result of circumstances completely removed from how her core personality started.

Heh, so Lea can modify her principals about as easily as Adojani internals can.
She can't modify her the principals marked as permanent with her power though, only the 'masks' she creates around that.
Notable is that the core principles can still be changed through more natural means, so she still grows like every other person, changes with time and even has the capacity to fall out of love with Ody.

Fundamentally, after she assigned her starting traits, she became indistinguishable from a person that gained those traits through natural means and has a powerset that allows them to use perfect 'masks' that can be taken off at will and don't carry any risk of 'becoming the mask'.
 
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