Rihaku
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Madness! Madness, I say!
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Madness! Madness, I say!
strongest Solar is such a trap description, considering there are still a good amount of First Age survivors that can still murder Uly
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On Evocations for Artifacts that we will wield in the extra limbs we'll be acquiring with our first Working.
On further general utility Ambition Evocations.
On Presence charms.
Bureaucracy charms (depending on how much we prioritize building up Luseng).
Finally getting Integrity charms.
Picking up any of the charm packages we haven't previously bought, such as being able to protect our allies better or boosting our physique (likely, in synergy with the Vitality Evocations, to obviate our need for sleep entirely).
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Reduim has a good point.
Luseng is pretty much fucked without us and Uly isn't going to want to stay in Luseng if he's embraced the clarity.
Embracing Clarity does means he has prioritized getting stronger to save Creation and it explicitly says that the fastest way to do that is by recovering his memories as Odyissial and finding sane Elders like Lea. Combine that with his defining principle of getting stronger; his major principle of love training and the incentives he'll have for certain options thanks to his prioritization of strength and Uly is probably going to be eating limit whenever he does not focus on gaining Creation-saving power.
Upgrading Moon to Third Circle Demon level with Sorcery? A waste of time as energy compared to what he could be doing
Buffing Luseng with Sorcery? A waste of time and energy compared to what he could be doing
It's only his major intimacy to the people that has kept him from already leaving and even that will fail against his defining intimacy of I must get stronger especially since he'll have prioritized getting stronger and staying in Luseng is an inefficient way to get stronger.
Only a time Dilation effect was said to be worth staying in Luseng for and even that was very arguable. Mind you we still don't have Sorcery. So until we do get it, we really can't rely on Sorcery to act as a motivator to stay in Luseng. And that's basically the only reason he would have to want to stay at Luseng. Given Rihaku always dangles other shinies in our face, it's not gurantee we'll get sorcery anytime soon. Can't forget the continuing problem that we can't use Sorcery like that without explaining ourselves as Ananthema. A major reason we hadn't picked up Sorcery yet. Though depending on what Anys does that, hiding our Anathema nature might not stay a problem for long.
Except he can't leave because we're still the vast majority of its combat strength and without our administration the place would fall apart. It's arguable that with the changes we just enacted, and the presence of Uncle Pan, Moon, Nilul, and Lily we can afford to leave it in their hands but if that's true then the girls can't come with Ulyssian after he peaces out from Luseng.
So it would be Ulyssain going off to Lea by himself.
Nevermind how IC he still knows shit about Anys so that really can't be used as a reason for him to stay.
Oh and I'm sure him delving into Ody's memories after reaffirming his desire to get stronger to save Creation won't make him more like Odyissial at all.
Given how hard it was to just go to stay Luseng instead of faking our death and then what we gave up to go for Shining Metropolis, not reaping the full benefits of Luseng before we leave is very frustrating. (we still haven't explored that mountain yet!)
As I said before I'm all for a journey east. Shit I didn't want to stay in the Realm in the first place. However staying in the realm proved to be a fun and interesting time and I didn't want to end prematurely because Anys decided to throw a curveball. Once we've fully turned it into the Shining Metropolis that can handle itself without us and our friends, explored the emerald mountain and we have dealt with Anys(she ain't going to wait too long when she knows the more she waits, the stronger we get), I say it's time to go East.
It's not like we won't have that option if we don't pick embrace. Embrace just means we'll prioritize it much more. Rihaku did tell us to pick a goal for the future so we can make that ours. I just don't want to leave any lose ends before we go.
Luseng is pretty much fucked without us and Uly isn't going to want to stay in Luseng if he's embraced the clarity.
Embracing Clarity does means he has prioritized getting stronger to save Creation and it explicitly says that the fastest way to do that is by recovering his memories as Odyissial and finding sane Elders like Lea. Combine that with his defining principle of getting stronger; his major principle of love training and the incentives he'll have for certain options thanks to his prioritization of strength and Uly is probably going to be eating limit whenever he does not focus on gaining Creation-saving power.
Upgrading Moon to Third Circle Demon level with Sorcery? A waste of time as energy compared to what he could be doing
Buffing Luseng with Sorcery? A waste of time and energy compared to what he could be doing
It's only his major intimacy to the people that has kept him from already leaving and even that will fail against his defining intimacy of I must get stronger especially since he'll have prioritized getting stronger and staying in Luseng is an inefficient way to get stronger.
Only a time Dilation effect was said to be worth staying in Luseng for and even that was very arguable. Mind you we still don't have Sorcery. So until we do get it, we really can't rely on Sorcery to act as a motivator to stay in Luseng. And that's basically the only reason he would have to want to stay at Luseng. Given Rihaku always dangles other shinies in our face, it's not gurantee we'll get sorcery anytime soon. Can't forget the continuing problem that we can't use Sorcery like that without explaining ourselves as Ananthema. A major reason we hadn't picked up Sorcery yet. Though depending on what Anys does that, hiding our Anathema nature might not stay a problem for long.
Except he can't leave because we're still the vast majority of its combat strength and without our administration the place would fall apart. It's arguable that with the changes we just enacted, and the presence of Uncle Pan, Moon, Nilul, and Lily we can afford to leave it in their hands but if that's true then the girls can't come with Ulyssian after he peaces out from Luseng.
So it would be Ulyssain going off to Lea by himself.
Nevermind how IC he still knows shit about Anys so that really can't be used as a reason for him to stay.
Oh and I'm sure him delving into Ody's memories after reaffirming his desire to get stronger to save Creation won't make him more like Odyissial at all.
Given how hard it was to just go to stay Luseng instead of faking our death and then what we gave up to go for Shining Metropolis, not reaping the full benefits of Luseng before we leave is very frustrating. (we still haven't explored that mountain yet!)
As I said before I'm all for a journey east. Shit I didn't want to stay in the Realm in the first place. However staying in the realm proved to be a fun and interesting time and I didn't want to end prematurely because Anys decided to throw a curveball. Once we've fully turned it into the Shining Metropolis that can handle itself without us and our friends, explored the emerald mountain and we have dealt with Anys(she ain't going to wait too long when she knows the more she waits, the stronger we get), I say it's time to go East.
It's not like we won't have that option if we don't pick embrace. Embrace just means we'll prioritize it much more. Rihaku did tell us to pick a goal for the future so we can make that ours. I just don't want to leave any lose ends before we go.
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Welcome to the optimized side.
Rihaku, could we accomplish a Working to aid in unlocking Odyssial's memories? It seems pretty obvious, so I kind of feel dumb for not seeing it before.
There is:
I'm inclined to stay in Luseng and get Sorcery.
There is an Ulyssian level combatant that happened to be quite caring about civilians within proximity of Luseng, just a thought.
Administration might suffer, but we just went with a public display of what happened to corruptors, and predictionism can probably have set of administrative short term and long term plan to be carried out during Uly's hiatus.
Administration might suffer, but we just went with a public display of what happened to corruptors, and predictionism can probably have set of administrative short term and long term plan to be carried out during Uly's hiatus.
Rihaku
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This is mechanically pointless in 3E, actually; the extra attunement cost would make it actively detrimental if you have an Artifact 5 or N/A.
Sure but Embrace Clarity without Sorcery(which we still have to actually get first and remember the shinies that Rihaku will undoubtedly as choices besides Sorcery. And even then not sure it would make staying in Luseng the best use of his time and effort since Time Dilation was said to be the only thing that could be worth more than Lea and that was arguable) means staying in Luseng is suboptimal which Uly will hate hate hate given his increase prioritization on getting stronger. So limit gain, limit gain everywhere.
Meanwhile leaving Luseng to go find Lea would be optimal and have incentives to do so.
No to mention we'd have to actually convince people to take the time and XP to do a working when we know OOC about Anys who may or may not be alone when she comes after us. We maybe be the strongest solar but we still don't know if we're Zao or Anys level just yet. To say nothing of the threats that will be coming after that as well(Like Hell throwing exerting, including multiple kitchen sinks at us and them possibly getting the Underworld and Heaven to do the same.) I mean you even came up with a list of stuff we could potentially use XP on besides Sorcerous Workings.
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@Orm Embar
Look what I found.
"I am... honestly happy with Ulyssian being an Infernal. For all their power, the Chosen of the Sun are bound to a paradigm not of their choosing. They can expand on it, grow stronger, but sooner or later they reach the peak of that proverbial mountain. How sad Odyssial must have been, when he realized Essence Ten was the end of his journey. Ulyssian can do what he could not: grow past the illimitable limits of mere Solar Exaltation. I want that for us. I want to be able to look at broken Malfeas, impotent despite all his awesome fury, and glorious Theion-that-was, whose power came from dominion over others... I want to look at them and say that we can do better."
How happy are you about Apex Flight?
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Look what I found.
"I am... honestly happy with Ulyssian being an Infernal. For all their power, the Chosen of the Sun are bound to a paradigm not of their choosing. They can expand on it, grow stronger, but sooner or later they reach the peak of that proverbial mountain. How sad Odyssial must have been, when he realized Essence Ten was the end of his journey. Ulyssian can do what he could not: grow past the illimitable limits of mere Solar Exaltation. I want that for us. I want to be able to look at broken Malfeas, impotent despite all his awesome fury, and glorious Theion-that-was, whose power came from dominion over others... I want to look at them and say that we can do better."
How happy are you about Apex Flight?
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So I suppose the usefulness will come from having free hands while we two-hand Ambition.
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Wow, I'm very impressed with the thread, I feel I've rather judged unfairly, I didn't think embrace would accumulate near as many votes.
One group of 5 gets 120k each, another group of 25 gets 60k each, is that not how it works?
Yeah I wasn't saying we'd get to roll for the total xp, just that it would be awesome if we did.
Someone else liked eating Mardukth!? All this time I thought I was special. =(
Nothing wrong with new competencies though. Anyway, what good is being in contention to be the strongest Solar in the degenerate age? The strongest existence... now that is a more useful goal.
One group of 5 gets 120k each, another group of 25 gets 60k each, is that not how it works?
Yeah I wasn't saying we'd get to roll for the total xp, just that it would be awesome if we did.
Someone else liked eating Mardukth!? All this time I thought I was special. =(
Nothing wrong with new competencies though. Anyway, what good is being in contention to be the strongest Solar in the degenerate age? The strongest existence... now that is a more useful goal.
Very happy. We humbled the Incarnae themselves; Odyssial at the height of his glory was the strongest being that has ever been or likely will ever be, but that is not his true victory. His greatest success was that he was never content with merely succeeding. His was a climb towards a summit that didn't exist, a journey with no End. He proved the Maiden wrong, which is as great a victory as shattering the Godspear.
Rihaku
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Hm, if you guys want to stay in Luseng regardless (which is the sentiment I'm getting), then you need to be able to afford Sorcery which means that Resisting is going to be harder. The only other option is that you have enough benefits to staying in Luseng that Odyssial would consider it viable, so that you're covered for both contingencies, which means you need to crank up the value of doing so immensely.
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
How would "Anys Syn just surrendered to Hell and is leading a taskforce to kill you" effect the attractivness of Luseng if we knew about it IC?
I'm all for getting Sorcery but for the "more value" side could you provide some details on the Great Library of Auseng Bu? Also, would my plan to disguise our Time Dilation zone as lingering Wyld taint be feasible?
what tier of sorcery could we get if we flash purchased them
Rihaku
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He would want to go dark immediately and preferably somewhere completely outside of Fate, but he doesn't know that.
Putting the Time Dilation zone outside of Luseng would greatly diminish its economic and other value. You can put it somewhere hidden, but it'll be hard to perform world-spanning Workings if it's too small, and then you'll just spend all your time inside of it, which would somewhat defeat the point of staying in Luseng.
Rihaku
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If you choose the XP-expenditure option, you can only afford Terrestrial Circle for now. If you didn't flash-buy and actually spent the training time (a substantial amount of time), it would be almost enough for Solar Circle.
That's assuming you spend 70,000 Solar XP on Occult 5, of course. If you choose the XP-gaining option, you'd easily have enough to buy all three Circles, but a compromise vote may arise that neither spends nor costs XP. Does anyone have ideas for a potential compromise vote?
so if embrace clarity wins we can get solar circle sorcery!
Actually, does anyone have a plan for fighting of Anys Syn and all of her forces while remaining disguised as a Realm-loyal DB? Because if we're going to be revealed soon (for a given value of soon), I don't see why we shouldn't be (somewhat) blatant about it.
Vote tally:
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[X] Embrace the Clarity
No. of votes: 46
TheOtherSandman, CrawlingChaos74, vel10, CrossyCross, Savonarola, Valor, Reckless_Sun, gigantisrex, dragon, Ridiculously Average Guy, Jouaint, Grimmair, Faux, VanusDraco, Emdeman, me.me.here, 1986ctcel, sithmor, Thomasfoolery, EnderofWorlds, drasky, useofstrike32, meianmaru, Vikerage, BSRK Aditya, Khaos, inventive alias, WorldSlayer, Usernames, Vanguard_D, Mannan, Robotninja, trekbook, skaro, Aloysius, Fumbles, Gerrou, afterthought53, arrepio, Cavalier, AZATHOTHoth, Dark Lord Bob, longmasher Da Boyz, Legion1771, Vanathor
[X] Resist the Clarity
No. of votes: 29
DOOMPOTATO, LastChronicler, Emerald Oracle, MrGazzer, pinkturnip, CharlBaal, Anasurimbor, Kurowari, SirLagginton, cyberswordsmen, mrttao, Alectai, Daniel14541, SometimesMaybe, Mishco, LordOfMurder, Yun, Cerillian, Dream Logic, Elero, Walkin' Man, wingstrike96, Random Asian Person, Redium, Katreus, Coaxmetal, aja318,veekie, Diller
[x] snap out of it
No. of votes: 8
Eliar, Orm Embar, Vitaris, Deadly Snark, Serous, Wing101, Jorlem Neptune
Tally.
Personally I'd prefer not to have a compromise vote, but, eh...depending on the nature of the compromise I might be amenable.
##### 3.21
[X] Embrace the Clarity
No. of votes: 46
TheOtherSandman, CrawlingChaos74, vel10, CrossyCross, Savonarola, Valor, Reckless_Sun, gigantisrex, dragon, Ridiculously Average Guy, Jouaint, Grimmair, Faux, VanusDraco, Emdeman, me.me.here, 1986ctcel, sithmor, Thomasfoolery, EnderofWorlds, drasky, useofstrike32, meianmaru, Vikerage, BSRK Aditya, Khaos, inventive alias, WorldSlayer, Usernames, Vanguard_D, Mannan, Robotninja, trekbook, skaro, Aloysius, Fumbles, Gerrou, afterthought53, arrepio, Cavalier, AZATHOTHoth, Dark Lord Bob, longmasher Da Boyz, Legion1771, Vanathor
[X] Resist the Clarity
No. of votes: 29
DOOMPOTATO, LastChronicler, Emerald Oracle, MrGazzer, pinkturnip, CharlBaal, Anasurimbor, Kurowari, SirLagginton, cyberswordsmen, mrttao, Alectai, Daniel14541, SometimesMaybe, Mishco, LordOfMurder, Yun, Cerillian, Dream Logic, Elero, Walkin' Man, wingstrike96, Random Asian Person, Redium, Katreus, Coaxmetal, aja318,veekie, Diller
[x] snap out of it
No. of votes: 8
Eliar, Orm Embar, Vitaris, Deadly Snark, Serous, Wing101, Jorlem Neptune
Tally.
Personally I'd prefer not to have a compromise vote, but, eh...depending on the nature of the compromise I might be amenable.
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Isn't embracing and then buying sorcery in order to remain in Luseng already a compromise though?
Beyond that I dunno how exactly a compromise could work, the nature of the decision doesn't seem to lend itself to one in my opinion.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Is staying in Luseng a compromise vote, or one that still nets us the XP bonus and multiplier?