[Exalted, ?] Most High

Yes, but it would have been the meagre splendor of an Eternal High First Age, instead of the true glory of a re-purposed Creation. A dire sacrifice to make, but a socially focused Odyssial would have been too willing to sacrifice...
Well there'd be nothing stopping him from secretly using the Lathe after securing that Eternal High First Age right?

...
? The Lathe wasn't anywhere near completed when they attacked. Also, the Usurpation happens at the Calibration Feast. It's not like the Sidereals attacked individual Solars in their strongholds, that would have been silly.

He learned about the Usurpation MONTHS ago and he didn't decide to become a recluse to focus on the Lathe/Reincarnation and still went to the feast?
 
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And he couldn't have just NOT gone out to fight instead of making final preparations to activate the Lathe so he wouldn't have needed to beat the Sids/DBs in order to win?

What are you smoking, Odyssial was at the company picnic calibration feast that he didn't even want to be at when they started to murder him and all his coworkers. There was no option to not fight.
 
Well there'd be nothing stopping him from secretly using the Lathe after securing that Eternal High First Age right?

Of course both sides would ask for multiple redundant Eclipse oaths and other ways to enforce legitimacy. And the Lathe doesn't go through all defenses anyway - you'd still have to deal with the monsters somehow, because nothing pierces a perfect defense.

He learned about the Usurpation MONTHS ago and he didn't decide to become a recluse to focus on the Lathe/Reincarnation and went to the feast?

Cite me on months?

Anyway, you have to go to the Feast. A few months is definitely not enough time to complete the Lathe, lol.
 
He learned about the Usurpation MONTHS ago and he didn't decide to become a recluse to focus on the Lathe/Reincarnation and went to the feast?
What the hell are you talking about.
No solars or lunars learned about the Usurpation until the knives came out at the feast. Even then, they fought each other at first because they never expected the betrayal to come from the Sidraels
 
Odyssial has no fucks to give. For anyone.



Not that Odyssial would have made concessions to them in the first place - he'd just have killed them all before they marshaled the DBs and traitor Solars.



No, it was a deliberate choice. He wanted to make the consequences of corruption clear, but didn't have time to stage a big public execution.* Also, Odyssial knows that he is mediocre at inspiring love but incredibly capable of inspiring fear, and that, when the chips are down, it is better to be feared than loved, for men are weak and fear loss more than they value gain. He wants his enemies to understand that 1) they are never safe from him 2) they cannot run from him and 3) there is nothing they can do to become safe from him except to wholeheartedly comply with every fiber of their existence, and he will know if they aren't.

Terrified Helplessness, basically.

*Because he's fucking off from Luseng to figure out how to reintegrate Odyssial

How the hell did Fairest calm down permanent Limit Break Ody if he was "completely out of fucks to give for anyone" mode

The fact he would've just killed them instead of attempting to talk says a lot about him.

And you ninjaed me before I could mention he also probably did it to inspire fear. Though fear's only better you can't have both.

I want people to consider this. When Odyissial planned his reincarnation he wanted a merging of his and Ulyssian's personality instead of his just overwriting Uly's. There is a reason for that. He didn't want Uly to be exactly like him. He wanted him to have different experiences so that he could have a different perspective on what he did. So that he could pursue new avenues. Embracing the clarity means embracing the memories and becoming more like Ody. Allowing him to dominate our thoughts more and more which is exactly what he didn't want to happen.

Odyissial probably would've killed Lily and might not have trusted Nilul. And I'm have been loving those character interaction and I know I'm not
the only one who feels that way. Plus Lily buffs us, helped boost our WtS roll and she gave up some of her motes to make us better at social fu. I don't want to even imagine how our attempts to mitigate the fallout of this would be without that boost she gave us.
 
What the hell are you talking about.
No solars or lunars learned about the Usurpation until the knives came out at the feast. Even then, they fought each other at first because they never expected the betrayal to come from the Sidraels

Actually Fairest warned us about the Usurpation. It's part of the reason Casualties were so bad and that we successfully reincarnated.

+ / - With brief forewarning of the Usurpation, Odyssial has extra time to prepare. Casualties significantly increased. Reincarnation chances increased.
 
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[X] Snap Out of It

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Ulyssian-that-was-Odyssial screamed under the might of Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian.

The inefficient facets of his personality were slowly ground down to make room for necessity. A Solar Exalt was unbound by nothing: perfection incarnate. No matter the task, perfection, impossibility, were feasible. To reshape the world was as easy as breathing; all it took was for one to realize it. The Exalted stood above all others in matters of skill, power and will, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian proved that even the Celestial Incarnae themselves could fall.

Unfortunately, the greatness, the magnitude, of a Solar Exaltation was held, focused, by a mere mortal being. Like a grand mirror reflecting fundamental truth, the Exaltation was limited by its bearer. Emotions. Social ties. Morality. All of it was just chains imposed on unblemished perfection. Nothing could stop a Solar — nothing but themselves.

Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian refused that fate and sought to snap the ties that bound him. The cruelty of the Primordials' Creation were staggering, mortals suffered constantly, by design. It was obvious to any one that cared to look. Leaving that and allowing their unbridled cruelty and arrogance to continue was... unthinkable. Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian had experienced first hand the hardships of mortality and had those same experiences thrown back in his face as Ulyssian-that-was-Odyssial. The Primordials and the Dragonbloods, it didn't matter. It was broken.

Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian would fix it.

And he'd failed, Ulyssian-that-was-Odyssial reminded Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian. The Lathe of Heaven remained behind his reach, even after cutting down the Unconquered Sun. Creation was no kinder to the mortals of Sesus Ulyssian's time than that of Odyssial's. The only difference was that the rulers were Dragonbloods.

Irrelevant, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian reminded his lesser half.

Mind expanding in unlimited, flawless perfection, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian noted another four needless deaths that his waste/indecision would kill and nearly a dozen more that would be forever diminished. How many orphans had he created in that moment of weakness? How many cripples? How many Nio-s?

The answer was too many. Too many when he had the might to stop it.

Beheading the last of the corruption with a flick of Ambition's edge, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian noted another inefficiency. He, personally, was the center of might for the entire Satrapy. Using his time, his energy, to personally oversee this problem was a phenomenal waste. He'd need to set up squads to carry out his orders and enforce order following this cleansing. Perhaps the two dragonbloods that Seeds had revealed his nature to? They were already watched constantly and limited solely to duty, no new effort would need to be made to weed out traitors.

Dodging around the reach of a particularly determined dragonblood, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian plotted his next move. The Satrapy was irrelevant in the grander plan, the millions that dwelled under his banner a mere drop in the bucket when compared to the entirety of Creation. He'd been too soft in investing with them, his personal power literally exceeded that of the entire Satrapy. Only a few actually mattered, the rest were unfortunately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Sorcery, Ambition, the Sable Scales, his caches; those were what he needed.

Lily would likely be more than willing to defend the Satrap in his place. Fundamentally, their ideologies were incompatible. By foisting command of on his (for now) equal, he could distract the might of the Realm and ensure that a sliver more of the city's might was preserved and that she would be too distracted to fall back into infighting.

Grimace finally working its way onto his face, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian noted that the female dragonblood was persistent is demanding his attention. Ending her would be inefficient, the Admiral put an inordinate amount of emphasis on her survival and well-being, far beyond that of a talented student and she might become relevant in time. Examining her, Clarity provided the answer: they were related. It was subtle, far moreso than most would realize, but the shape of the dragonblood's face and other traits betrayed her under perfection's eye.

Excellent.

By beginning a breeding program it would be possible to preserve the blood of the Shoguns and increase the quality and power of the Dragonblood host. Infertility problems could trivially be solved for with Solar Sorcery; all that was necessary was the proper selection of a mate. Perhaps it would be possible to extort the Admiral to participate in the program by threatening her safety? A mere dozen Shogun's blood offspring would be a profoundly potent force.

Unfortunately, the moment's realization allowed the Shogun's blood to raise Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian's brow to look her in the eyes. Ignoring the splatter of blood across the bridge of her nose, of a pale white flower stained red over her ear, Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian started to formulate the necessary words to convince her of her participation in the program. Lily's blessing had thankfully given him an edge over her memory of his previous self so manipulating her with their relationship was significantly easier.

Odyssial-that-was-Ulyssian opened his mouth to give voice to flawless logic when he started. Blinking, he focused on Moon's downcast expression.

Ambition tumbled from suddenly nerveless fingers.

And Sesus Ulyssian fell to his knees.
 
Of course both sides would ask for multiple redundant Eclipse oaths and other ways to enforce legitimacy. And the Lathe doesn't go through all defenses anyway - you'd still have to deal with the monsters somehow, because nothing pierces a perfect defense.



Cite me on months?

Anyway, you have to go to the Feast. A few months is definitely not enough time to complete the Lathe, lol.

I thought it was mentioned that the Fairest informed him of the usurpation months in advance which is why he had the time to start setting up his contingencies like reincarnation?
 
I thought it was mentioned that the Fairest informed him of the usurpation months in advance which is why he had the time to start setting up his contingencies like reincarnation?

+ / - With brief forewarning of the Usurpation, Odyssial has extra time to prepare. Casualties significantly increased. Reincarnation chances increased.
Brief forewarning.
Sounds like hours to me if not minutes as opposed to month.
It really don't take that long for an Exalted to prepare for battle, especially an exalted like Odyssal.
If Ody had month to prepare, he'd have just struck first with whoever that will follow him and annihilated the Sidraels.
 
You know, we had this option before:
If we had got Sorcerer of Adamant, along with SCS, general improvements to every option and years worth of Solar Workings we would have also gotten higher fidelity reincarnation. Plus, with Most High we could have gotten double XP before the main quest started.

So, that's a thing.
 
[ ] Resist the Clarity [-250,000 XP of any kind] - You can make no justifiable arguments to defend this option; it is most assuredly a titanic waste of power and will. Nonetheless, the choice is yours. If successful, you will snap out of your current Limit Break. On an exceptional success, future Limit Breaks will confine themselves to optimizing towards the problem at hand, hopelessly short-sighted as that may be. Accept that millions, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions will die that you could have saved. Accept diminishment.

[ ] Snap Out of It [Throw Ambition Away] - Of course, the uninhibited reasoning granted by this state also provides the most expedient way to end it, though why you would do that, you have no idea: hurl your Ambition aside. While this will assuredly restore your inferior "normal" function immediately, it will also dramatically decrease your synchronicity with the blade, denying you access to the Crown of Metis indefinitely. You will no longer be able to interchangeably use Odyssial and Ulyssian.

If I'm reading these right, there are more problems with the second option then just losing Crown of Metis.
The second option doesn't do anything for future Limit Breaks, so the next one we suffer we'll go through this all over again.
There's also the problem that due to the disconnect between Ulyssian and Odyssial, Ambition might start actively opposing us.

The first option will cost us XP now but will, with luck, permanently change our Limit Break to something that is more acceptable to Ulyssian.
And since it doesn't create a divide with our past life Ambition possibly won't actively oppose us.
 
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[X] Resist the Clarity

While the (absolutely crazy) XP bonuses are extremely tempting, Odyssial has already been down that road. We know how it ends. True, he might actually pull it off this time, owing at least in part to the lack of "meaningful" opposition, but is it really the optimal path? Is there even any way to tell if he rushes things?

Another mortal perspective was something that Odyssial wished to acquire from his reincarnation. A new and different perspective, to allow himself to discover if he had been mistaken somewhere along the line. Embracing the Clarity will prematurely end this experiment for the assumed certainty that he was correct before. Optimality of actions are one thing, but do they really matter if the axioms are fundamentally flawed?

I don't want to snap out of it, because I don't want to create a schism between Ody and Uly. That's not the story I prefer. Also because Crown of Metis is easily worth ~200k XP, and because I really don't want to end up in disharmony with the sword.
 
Yeah guys, it's just XP! As long as you stunt the roll well, you're not likely to fail. Plus, there's always Fate-Shifting Solar Arete to fall back on!
 
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