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[Exalted, ?] Most High

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Rihaku said:
Honestly, she might try to turn Zao against you, promising that she'll do whatever she can do help Creation up to and including getting him a full Circle of non-Odyssial Solars to train, if he'll just help her kill and imprison Odyssial's shard.

After all, non-Odyssial Solars can always be put down after their usefulness has been outgrown by their madness.
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To be fair so can Odyssial. Its happened once already after all.
 
Odyssial was not put down without millions of dead Dragon-Blooded, dozens of slain Sidereal masters, entire civilizations leveled to dust, Directions shattered from collateral damage, and the very fabric of - not merely reality, but existence itself - pushed to the breaking point. The Incarnae themselves had to get involved and were forever maimed for their impertinence. Several very nearly were annihilated.

Creation could not survive attempting to put Odyssial down again, if he should grow into the fullness of his power.
 
Priest said:
BEEN A WHILE

HERE, HAVE THIS VAGUE ATTEMPT AT SOME SABLEARMOR

it doesn't look very cool yet, i'll admit. needs some visual refinement. i might be able to do something to that effect later.
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Good to see you, Priest! Yeah, the picture is quite rough to my eye still, but I really like the mixture of colours for the armor and how Uly's hair looks. Waiting eagerly to see the finished work!
Rihaku said:
Honestly, she might try to turn Zao against you, promising that she'll do whatever she can do help Creation up to and including getting him a full Circle of non-Odyssial Solars to train, if he'll just help her kill and imprison Odyssial's shard.

After all, non-Odyssial Solars can always be put down after their usefulness has been outgrown by their madness.
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Rihaku said:
Odyssial was not put down without millions of dead Dragon-Blooded, dozens of slain Sidereal masters, entire civilizations leveled to dust, Directions shattered from collateral damage, and the very fabric of - not merely reality, but existence itself - pushed to the breaking point. The Incarnae themselves had to get involved and were forever maimed for their impertinence. Several very nearly were annihilated.

Creation could not survive attempting to put Odyssial down again, if he should grow into the fullness of his power.
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Well. That could go badly for us. Now I'm really glad we took The Scarlet Flag Prophecy. That it made Zao less pissed at us suddenly became somewhat more important. That, and spending time governing Luseng instead of shutting ourself in a room for who knows how long and negleting our satrapy, which might have given a somewhat negative image to him.

Though not sure what the Limit Break will bring and how Zao will see it. He might even approve if its the kind of ruthelessness he himself advocates, or he might not.
 
Rihaku said:
Honestly, she might try to turn Zao against you, promising that she'll do whatever she can do help Creation up to and including getting him a full Circle of non-Odyssial Solars to train, if he'll just help her kill and imprison Odyssial's shard.

After all, non-Odyssial Solars can always be put down after their usefulness has been outgrown by their madness.
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So, we might end up facing the might of his Incarnate Hurricane Avatar ourself, instead? I'm honestly kinda ok with that, so long as we get the chance to see him going all out. The DB Sail charmset has some really evocative names, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with them.

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I mean, I'd prefer not having to fight him, but if it came down to it, I'm sure it would be amazing.
 
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I wonder, for Governing Wisely, can we enact the Floating Gardens idea Moon had in the previous quest? It would be a good way to help feed our populace and reduce reliance on imports, plus it'll be a nice gesture to Moon and Saery.
 
The question arises if Zao would BELIEVE her though. He's personally, fundamentally aware that Anys Syn's goals are not his own, and that any actions she takes will sooner or later undermine his personal aims. Plus, she un-wracked herself which is a big warning sign right there. Even if Syn gets her promises validated with Infernal BS, why should he trust that? He knows from Nilul that Infernal BS can be circumvented.

Also, at this point he has to know what she planned for Moon, purely because she was his daughter. He's pretty good at being rationally objective, but my expectation is that that would hit some buttons. Also, she serves the Yozi now on top of everything else so she's even more suspect because of that.

Could go either way I suppose, but she'd need much MUCH more inducements than just a single Solar Circle for him to mold.
 
Neptune said:
Survive long enough to make it? Our other actions this turn still mean we get occult 5, we get the loyalty of the city, and it's bureaucracy has improved with more DB coming allowing us to take sabbaticals without fear of something going wrong in the future. This gives us a perfect opportunity to learn sorcery if we get the XP we just need to survive Anys Syn's retaliation first.
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Actually even with Master of Sable we'd have enough XP to get solar circle Sorcery. We would just have 2,000 solar XP. However we can substitute normal XP for our workings and we have 20,000 normal XP after buying Sorcery. While we can't do Solar Circle stuff without potentially exposing ourselves we can do terrestrial level stuff.

Note that my XP rates from the last vote count and given we've had some fan works since, we likely have even more normal and solar XP.


Rihaku said:
Odyssial was not put down without millions of dead Dragon-Blooded, dozens of slain Sidereal masters, entire civilizations leveled to dust, Directions shattered from collateral damage, and the very fabric of - not merely reality, but existence itself - pushed to the breaking point. The Incarnae themselves had to get involved and were forever maimed for their impertinence. Several very nearly were annihilated.

Creation could not survive attempting to put Odyssial down again, if he should grow into the fullness of his power.
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Oh no. not just full Power Odyissial. Full Power Odyissial with Solar Circle Sorcery.

Game fucking over man.
 
Diller said:
Actually even with Master of Sable we'd have enough XP to get solar circle Sorcery. We would just have 2,000 solar XP. However we can substitute normal XP for our workings and we have 20,000 normal XP after buying Sorcery. While we can't do Solar Circle stuff without potentially exposing ourselves we can do terrestrial level stuff.

Note that my XP rates from the last vote count and given we've had some fan works since, we likely have even more normal and solar XP.




Oh no. not just full Power Odyissial. Full Power Odyissial with Solar Circle Sorcery.

Game fucking over man.
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Eh, SCS wouldn't add that much unless he'd had time to create a Primordial or something.
 
SirLagginton said:
I wonder, for Governing Wisely, can we enact the Floating Gardens idea Moon had in the previous quest? It would be a good way to help feed our populace and reduce reliance on imports, plus it'll be a nice gesture to Moon and Saery.
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If I remember correctly, that would require sorcery. *Checks* Yep, it does. They would be literally floating in the sky, not metaphorically.
"Crime is a highly visible problem, but statistically it's far below hunger and disease, which dominate the lives of impoverished mortals," Moon begins. "The problem isn't food production, but rather storage, nutrition, and distribution. We have plenty of fish and seaweed, but fruits and other vegetables are luxuries many cannot afford. What about a series of hydroponic, free-floating gardens, Predictionally irrigated with lunar essence via the tides? A localized paradigm differential could create a freshwater basin. We could draw them into a central structure and make it a feature of the Academy. It could even drive tourism. We can sell the produce at a fair price and it'll build goodwill from the populace towards the Academy."

"The Floating Gardens..." Saery says, "wow, I had a plan as well, but yours sounds way cooler. One of us is going to need to learn Sorcery, though, or we won't have a chance at pulling that off. I can get cheap mortal labor, but not that cheap."

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[ ] Floating Gardens. A project of this scope is likely to consume the spare time of all its principals, though the return on investment is potentially immense. However, it is arguably even more risky than attempting to dismantle an entire city's crime network. But to build something that lasts, something that could help the people of Seacrown for ages to come... Most of the hard work will fall on Moon's shoulders; you can help with planning and administration, but the construction will be up to her. For most anyone else you wouldn't be comfortable playing second fiddle. If the sum of your legend is to support hers, though, you wouldn't mind.
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EDIT: Or not, apparently.
 
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meianmaru said:
If I remember correctly, that would require sorcery. *Checks* Yep, it does. They would be literally floating in the sky, not metaphorically.
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Oh look one more point on the "reasons we should pick up Sorcery."

Emerald Oracle said:
The question arises if Zao would BELIEVE her though. He's personally, fundamentally aware that Anys Syn's goals are not his own, and that any actions she takes will sooner or later undermine his personal aims. Plus, she un-wracked herself which is a big warning sign right there. Even if Syn gets her promises validated with Infernal BS, why should he trust that? He knows from Nilul that Infernal BS can be circumvented.

Also, at this point he has to know what she planned for Moon, purely because she was his daughter. He's pretty good at being rationally objective, but my expectation is that that would hit some buttons. Also, she serves the Yozi now on top of everything else so she's even more suspect because of that.

Could go either way I suppose, but she'd need much MUCH more inducements than just a single Solar Circle for him to mold.
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There's also our growth rate. We've gained power at a simply ridiculous level. We slaughtered an immaculate brotherhood that could've taken an entire solar circle without a scratch a mere week after exalting. Hell it hasn't even been a year yet and we've reached E5.


We have an Artifact N/A sword that rivals the fucking Eye of Autochron and an Artificat 5 armor. We have gained the friendship of a Solaroid that rivals us in friendship and also wants to help Creation. We gained the friendship and trust of the Princess of Lies herself. We're on our way to completely turning around Luseng which we were sent to because it was assumed that it would be too for us. We've been boosting the Navy. Luseng is becoming a model city. We're constantly doing shit. All of this in less than a year of us exalting which we did to protect his daughter and prevented Zao from exposing his relationship with Moon.

We're close friends with his daughter and his pupil. Zao has many reasons to put his faith and trust in us because we had proven ourselves many times over. The mere fact Anys would be trying to turn him against us should show him what kind if potential we have if she's that desperate to stop us.

Anys would have to do some truly bullshit level social fu on Zao to turn him against us after all we've done and accomplished.
 
Diller said:
Anys would have to do some truly bullshit level social fu on Zao to turn him against us after all we've done and accomplished.
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"Look at his growth rate, this is what he did in the First Age, this is some irrefutable evidence. Now, given his past - do you really trust your pupil with the power not only to save Creation, but to destroy it?"

Not saying it's guaranteed to work, but she's got angles. Especially with the Yozis backing her up.
 
Rihaku said:
"Look at his growth rate, this is what he did in the First Age, this is some irrefutable evidence. Now, given his past - do you really trust your pupil with the power not only to save Creation, but to destroy it?"

Not saying it's guaranteed to work, but she's got angles. Especially with the Yozis backing her up.
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And didn't we outright tell zao we are a reincarnation and remember our first age life?

that being said, I don't see her trying to turn zao
 
mrttao said:
And didn't we outright tell zao we are a reincarnation and remember our first age life?

that being said, I don't see her trying to turn zao
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Yep

Ivory also told him that we were the greatest and most terrible of the Solars.

So Zao likely already knows what we were like in our past life. So her bringing that up would likely do little to sway him. Especially since the reason
Odyissial nearly undid existence is
because he was too strong for reality to handle and he really didn't want to die. As long as some fool(s) don't force him to go all out again when he regains his power, Creation will be safe.

Also she should be smart enough to know that revealing she's working with the Yozi is likely to make Zao autoNOPE her because the Yozi definitely don't have the best of intentions for Creation. There is a reason the Primordial War happened after all.

Though how else is she going to explain getting the circle of non Odyissial solars?
 
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I honestly expect Zao to be fully aware of who and what Odyssial was by this point. Given the centrality Ulyssian has to his plans, and the fact he successfully turned Ivory within a day of Exaltation I would be VERY surprised if he left things to chance. He may not have paid attention to his lessons about Odyssial when he was young, but now that said Solar is central to his plans? Admiral Long Feng Zao is not so foolish as to allow such poor scouting to stand.

I would think this especially the case given that Odyssial was apparently renowned enough that a random Daybreak Abyssal out in the boonies knew who he was on sight. He is likely written of in many, many places. I fully expect that if Syn comes in and tries to turn him by saying "here's what he was" Zao will respond "Yes and?" He has access to his own Sidereal agent, World Class resources, and knowledge hidden from most of Creation.

Anyone who thinks Admiral Zao doesn't know exactly what he's done by this point is underestimating him. And we all know that we shouldn't do that!
 
Emerald Oracle said:
I honestly expect Zao to be fully aware of who and what Odyssial was by this point. Given the centrality Ulyssian has to his plans, and the fact he successfully turned Ivory within a day of Exaltation I would be VERY surprised if he left things to chance. He may not have paid attention to his lessons about Odyssial when he was young, but now that said Solar is central to his plans? Admiral Long Feng Zao is not so foolish as to allow such poor scouting to stand.

I would think this especially the case given that Odyssial was apparently renowned enough that a random Daybreak Abyssal out in the boonies knew who he was on sight. He is likely written of in many, many places. I fully expect that if Syn comes in and tries to turn him by saying "here's what he was" Zao will respond "Yes and?" He has access to his own Sidereal agent, World Class resources, and knowledge hidden from most of Creation.

Anyone who thinks Admiral Zao doesn't know exactly what he's done by this point is underestimating him. And we all know that we shouldn't do that!
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To be fair, accounts about Odyssial are filtered through a quite long time period, so he might not have gotten completely accurate and detailed account if Ivory hasn't decide to fill him in. Anys has first hand experience about how fucked up Solars can go when they get older and Zao is quite rutheless. If he decides that Ulyssian might be more of a risk to a Creation than the threats he is taking care of, Zao might very well come to a conclusion that he must kill Uly before he becomes a the greatest monster of them all.
 
Diller said:
Ivory also told him that we were the greatest and most terrible of the Solars.
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There's quite a gap between that, and the actual details. What happens if Sesus Ulyssian grows too strong for Lung Feng Zao to control?

What would you guys do, if you had a protege who grew to outstrip you, and then received reliable information that he was likely to act in ways that you would disagree with? Would you want to ensure, perhaps, that such a problem never came to pass?
 
Emerald Oracle said:
I would think this especially the case given that Odyssial was apparently renowned enough that a random Daybreak Abyssal out in the boonies knew who he was on sight.
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Uh, a Daybreak caste, regardless of where he lives, is likely to be far better informed than the vast, vast majority of even elite scholars, on virtually any topic he cares to be interested in. That's like saying Tepet Arada sucks at fighting because he got beaten by some random Dawn caste from a barbarian tribe.
 
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Rihaku said:
There's quite a gap between that, and the actual details. What happens if Sesus Ulyssian grows too strong for Lung Feng Zao to control?

What would you guys do, if you had a protege who grew to outstrip you, and then received reliable information that he was likely to act in ways that you would disagree with? Would you want to ensure, perhaps, that such a problem never came to pass?
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Yeeeaaahhh, The Lathe wasn't that well recieved by people other than Odyssial, his closest allies and most fanatical followers, I assume? The information about that might be a bit too much for Zao to swallow and still remain Ulyssian's ally.
 
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