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That was a purple option, actually. And you guys didn't really take full Vengeance, there were a lot of conflicting motivations and some compromise voting to get your subordinates alive.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But it certainly wouldn't make Ulyssian weaker, so how could it turn him into a Sliver Overlord?
If we have to get Sable Evocations I'd like to get both Vitality and Evolution and I'm more confident in Master winning than neglect-CC doing so, given the way your weighting votes for this subvote. I'm not opposed to getting all three (though I'd certainly prefer simply neglecting CC) and that still leaves us with enough XP to buy Sorcery, which is what I care about. I don't anticipate having much down time to complete Workings before conflict arrives, so really I'm more upset about being unable to spend Solar XP on E5 Ambition Evocations.
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Keep in mind that any workings worth having is going to blow our cover as a solar.
we need to perpetuate immaculate heresy before we get sorcery
I'd be quite happy to get:
And that is both within the reach of Terrestrial Sorcerers and nobody will know about it unless we need to use the mutations.
meianmaru
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Which is why I'm voting for the Sable Scale Mastery. Besides the Evolution capstone (or was it the whole armor's?), it will allow for better immediate survivability with only very low-ish risk of revealing ourself ("How in the Hell did he get so good at with it so fast?"). And in addition with that kind of boost to our combat strength, like some people already said, maybe that will be enough to turn people away from the other shinies and go finally for the reality bending goodies.
Also time maybe spent on other issues/Working, if not for that long. I would also point out that the mutations are not permanent (are they?) which is good from some peoples viewpoint, even if not from mine and probably Uly's. Go transhumanism!
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Good thing that thanks to Evolution we can disguise the armor even as normal clothing. Plus it means no risk of people noticing that it's Lily's armor which means we've met Lily and she is still alive which could have some people suspect she subverted us.
Get Sorcerous Workings so that not even truly overwhelming force and numbers can kill us.
As for those worried about the realm
That does not mention us also having potentially buffed our friends to Third Cricle demon level or our sorcery buffed army. That would be XP well spent in my opinion.
Focusing on Sorcery will give us many long term benefits which is why I still advocate getting it. I just want to make sure we can live long enough to make to see those long term benefits.Which is why i've been advocating Master of Sable. Plus as long as we have SCS then we have the potential to do Workings. They'll actually be an option.
If we get sorcery next round then, according to our the last vote count we'll have at least 20,000 normal XP which is enough for us to do 4 Mutations right off the bat.
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Actually its made out of moonsilver that used to be soulsteel. A paradox that is part of what makes it so powerful.
And no, nobody will question it. Not in exalted.
There is no such thing. Enough force will kill anyone. And sorcerous workings take a lot of time to bear fruit.
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Aside from maybe Unusual Hide with the Subtlety Mutation, Mutations really aren't worth the XP. They're pretty bad.
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Which means we can afford literally all the mutations worth having. Which means we are not going to be short on XP
They were just examples of stuff we can do even with the XP we'd if we bought Sorcery after the next update though this is some nice information to know.
Exactly.
There have been a few posts recently by the devs of Exalted on the subject of Sorcery and Thaumaturgy, which may be of interest here:
So, when we do eventually get Sorcery, it is going to be big. Really big. And that majorly useful Thaumaturgy we rolled isn't something to sneeze at either, most likely.
SourceHatewheel said:It is indeed a change from 2e. Every mortal in Creation cannot learn sorcery, nor do thaumaturgic rituals.Originally Posted by AtG
Isn't this a change from 2E, where (unless I misunderstand) everyone could at least in theory learn sorcery?
And are there more or fewer mortal sorcerers than DB sorcerers?
As for your second question: Probably fewer.
Originally Posted by AtG 
SourceHatewheel said:You are absolutely correct, but EX3 wasn't developed backwards from the mechanics to the setting. Everything that falls under the header of "sorcerer" has been made to fit the the "narrative profile" of sorcery, or the way sorcery is depicted in the text. The profile of sorcery is to be strange, powerful, unnatural, unnerving, and rare, because it can't be any of those other things if it is common. In the eyes of the Developer, a thaumaturge is a kind of sorcerer.
I was wondering about thaumaturgy, not sorcery. Thaumaturgy and sorcery are only similar from an out-of-game perspective that calls them both 'magic', but in-character, the two operate on fundamentally different principles. The only similarity is that sorcery can do some of the things thaumaturgy can, and can do them about 10000000% more effectively. From an IC perspective, they're as similar as Martial Arts Charms and punching someone in the face.
No, they can't.
Can the average mortal in Creation still learn and perform minor magical rituals, aka what second edition called thaumaturgy?
I assume you are asking why this is a preferable state as a whole, rather than "why would I want to play a mortal?" There's a lot of reasons, starting with the thaumaturge. It makes her a much more interesting personality, because she is unique. She might be her tribe's shaman, her village elder, or the witch at the end of the lane. But because she has unique and special powers, she occupies a niche that can't be filled by just anyone with a manual. And because thaumaturgy isn't a necessary subset of occult rating, sorcerers might actually find some use in thaumaturgists. That's because thaumaturgists sometimes possess unique tricks that only they can do. So, for the first part, it makes the thaumaturgist more interesting and unique and valuable to the setting as a whole.
If not, how does this change make the setting better to play in?
From a broader perspective, it makes magic stronger and more emphatic, because magic isn't everywhere and in everything. When you open a door, it isn't a magical communication between the knob god and the hinge spirit, the way it was purported to be in Second Edition. Natural law exists, and the ubiquitous nature of Essence is taken to be a physical phenomenon, not an overtly magical one. So, channeling Essence, for those who can channel it, is not inherently magical. "Sorcery" is a step beyond that; a movement into the uncanny, and a drifting of normal narratives. If I am a Solar, you would not expect me to cast Death of Obsidian Butterflies, yet as a sorcerer, that is within my wheelhouse. The more common strange displays of magic become, the less sorcery is anything but a mechanical differentiation, a label that otherwise means nothing.
So, when we do eventually get Sorcery, it is going to be big. Really big. And that majorly useful Thaumaturgy we rolled isn't something to sneeze at either, most likely.
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Not according to the justifications you gave.
It is our mortal followers getting sorcery en masse which would be big. Which doesn't require us to personally be a sorcerer
Sorcery however WILL be big for us once we do get it, not because of the justifications you gave. but because of things like the time dilation training chamber
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ten million damage with trample
TEN MILLION DAMAGE WITH TRAMPLE
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DAMAGE
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p.s. hexproof indestructible
Edit: Also putting in my vote for [x] Master of Sable, because I DON'T EVEN SEE A DOWNSIDE TO HAVING AWESOMELY STRONK SHAPESHIFTING/DISGUISING ARMOR
except you know maybe somebody being like how the hell did you get good with that shit so fast or some other revealing super abyssal rays or anys thing happening or something
TEN MILLION DAMAGE WITH TRAMPLE
TEN
M I L L I O N
DAMAGE
T R A M P L E
p.s. hexproof indestructible
Edit: Also putting in my vote for [x] Master of Sable, because I DON'T EVEN SEE A DOWNSIDE TO HAVING AWESOMELY STRONK SHAPESHIFTING/DISGUISING ARMOR
except you know maybe somebody being like how the hell did you get good with that shit so fast or some other revealing super abyssal rays or anys thing happening or something
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[x] Master of Sable
Why NOT go for capstones?
capstones are always worth it.
Why NOT go for capstones?
capstones are always worth it.
[X] Master of Sable
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[X] Master of Sable