[Exalted, ?] Most High

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt

Changing my vote. Sorcery just isn't worth it compared to the shinies from wake the sleeper.
 
We don't actually know when Anys will attack, you know, and Sorcery excels in the long-term...
She knows we are Oddysial and there is a reason that the Realm deals with Solars by dropping everything to kill them as quickly as possible before they can build a support infrastructure. If she is at all competent she knows we win the long game and will move as quickly as she can without sacrificing effectiveness. The question is how long does she think it will take to get her shit together, a month, six months, a year?
 
Hmm. Could Govern and Consolidate be used as training time for Bureaucracy? We currently have it at only three (plus one from the Realm specialty), so grinding it to five would be nice if its possible. Two more dice to all our rulership actions (and other things that fall under that Ability) with no mote-cost would be a nice little bonus, while also paving way for some higher-level Bureaucracy Charms. With things like Speed the Wheels to accelerate our own governance actions and Indolent Official Technique to hamper our enemy, maybe having the time for sorcery won't become non-optimal:

Ulyssian: I'm going to go training and meditate for a few weeks in isolation. Don't disturb me.
Mandarin official: But, but sir! What about the planning those major renovation projects that you were talking about? Some of them could literally take decades of gathering information and planning to be completely finished, not to mention that we are currently at a critical juncture for the initial-
Another Mandarin: Sir, here are the finished drafts for those renovation plans.
Mandarin official: ...What.
Ulyssian: I spent my tea-break to give some pointers to the other officials while you were delivering that message to Talomar. *Sips tea from a mug* Anything else?

Though to be fair, with Essence 5 those projects could be even long as a century and they still would take only minutes to finish for the organization that the Solar focuses his or her attention on. Hax. I call hax TEN THOUSAND TIMES.
 
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##### 3.21
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Upon the Crown

[X] Consolidate Power
No. of votes: 17
Mishco, aja318, skaro, Mannan, useofstrike32, Savonarola, Orm Embar, SirLagginton, nairit, veekie, sithmor, Usernames, wingstrike96, Algalon, CharlBaal, Gerrou, Ridiculously Average Guy

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt
No. of votes: 31

Vitaris, Kurowari, 1986ctcel, notgreat, cody, Cavalier, arrepio, Aloysius, meianmaru, Elero, Diller, Yun, CrawlingChaos74, Brekouh, BSRK Aditya, Ghost, VanusDraco, LordOfMurder, me.me.here, gigantisrex, dragon, a11behringer, Anasurimbor, Alectai, Jorlem, Random Asian Person, Neptune, Daniel14541, mrttao, Emerald Oracle, cyberswordsmen

[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown
[X] Training [-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 1

Thomasfoolery

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt
No. of votes: 1

DOOMPOTATO

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Training[-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 1

trekbook
 
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##### 3.21
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power

[X] Upon the Crown
No. of votes: 16
Mishco, gigantisrex, aja318, skaro, Mannan, Savonarola, Orm Embar, SirLagginton, nairit, veekie, sithmor, Usernames, wingstrike96, Algalon, CharlBaal, Gerrou

[X] Sorcery
No. of votes: 1
Ridiculously Average Guy


[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Upon the Crown
[X] Training[-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 1

Thomasfoolery

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt
No. of votes: 31
Anasurimbor, Alectai, Jorlem, Random Asian Person, Neptune, Daniel14541, mrttao, dragon, a11behringer, Vitaris, Kurowari, 1986ctcel, notgreat, cody, Cavalier, arrepio, Aloysius, meianmaru, Elero, Diller, Yun, CrawlingChaos74, Brekouh, BSRK Aditya, Ghost, VanusDraco, LordOfMurder, me.me.here, useofstrike32, Emerald Oracle, cyberswordsmen

[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
-[X] Bankrupt
No. of votes: 1

DOOMPOTATO

[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well
[X] Training[-2 Stress]
No. of votes: 1

trekbook
 
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[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Govern Wisely, Govern Well x3
-[X] Bankrupt


One issue I see is what Uly in limit break might consider optimal governance, but it should only last one scene and thus should mostly only affect the Vizers.

 
Well one thing I have been wanting to suggest is to finally seize the Library back from the beastmen so we have a superior resource on site to use for prophecies rather than waiting for records to be shipped in.
 
Well one thing I have been wanting to suggest is to finally seize the Library back from the beastmen so we have a superior resource on site to use for prophecies rather than waiting for records to be shipped in.
 
Well one thing I have been wanting to suggest is to finally seize the Library back from the beastmen so we have a superior resource on site to use for prophecies rather than waiting for records to be shipped in.
Hmm. If we spend some of our Governance-efforts to finally getting our military back to acceptable levels, then augment our forces with sorcery, conquering an another strategically important asset back and also easily holding it seems feasible.
 
Hey, Luseng's military is very strong! It has Uly in it!
Yes, which is (kind of the) the problem for me. Any location we aren't in doesn't benefit from Uly, which is not much of a problem when we only hold Luseng but could get tricky if we conquer back both Auseng Bu and the Emerald Mountain. The last post you had about this:
The Military Power of the Satrapy is Immense, consisting of one Realm Legion at 50% strength, its Auxilaries at 30% strength, a basic native militia roughly 1,250 men strong, and Sesus Ulyssian. However, over 75% of its military power is concentrated in the person of Sesus Ulyssian.
For offense it works pretty well, but defense in more than one location? It will be pretty crappy (considering our still existing opposition) in all but that one place where Uly is.
 
No. This quest doesn't seem to have explicit vote closings and sometimes things remain contentious all the way up to the point where the update is being written.

So you said Ody don't need sorcerry in his high of power Right?
Back when he was a baby Solar, there were plenty of friendly Twilights around to perform any necessary sorcerous tasks. Comparative advantage is a thing. Even as he grew more powerful, the same principle generally applied. At some point, he was sufficiently strong that the marginal benefits of sorcery were generally relatively trivial compared to his custom high essence charms.

How much sorcerry will benefit Ully in his current stage.?
There appears to be general agreement that it is fairly useful and that we should get it as soon as possible. The biggest use is for sorcerous workings for creating and/or enhancing allies and infrastructure. Even then, there are a number of spells that will be quite useful, like Travel Without Distance for teleporting up to 50 miles, or Demon of the Second Circle for summoning moderately powerful disposable minions.
 
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Back when he was a baby Solar, there were plenty of friendly Twilights around to perform any necessary sorcerous tasks. Comparative advantage is a thing. Even as he grew more powerful, the same principle generally applied. At some point, he was sufficiently strong that the marginal benefits of sorcery were generally relatively trivial compared to his custom high essence charms.


There appears to be general agreement that it is fairly useful and that we should get it as soon as possible. The biggest use is for sorcerous workings for creating and/or enhancing allies and infrastructure. Even then, there are a number of spells that will be quite useful, like Travel Without Distance for teleporting up to 50 miles, or Demon of the Second Circle for summoning moderately powerful disposable minions.
While the world "trivial" is one I wouldn't use about SCS even with allies specializing in sorcery around, you have point there. Its likely that while Odyssial could have mastered sorcery in a time-frame that would have seemed insanely fast even to other Solars, there would have been only so much he could do with it without negatively impacting his other activities to a non-optimal degree.

If you are making Creation-changing Workings or 3CD -level beings, you can't be slaughtering threats to Creation that other Solars have a hard time contesting on the level of reliability that Odyssial could. Add to that the fact that there are sorcerers that can accomplish any sorcery that Odyssial might require, even if they ask to be paid for their work or require some favors, and you can see why he didn't automatically decide to learn it.

However, in the Ages of Sorrows we don't have those SCS allies, which there aren't even that many in existence in the first place and won't be for a long time. Its usefulness is thus considerably higher in our current situation.
 
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However, in the Ages of Sorrows we don't have those SCS allies, which there aren't even that many in existence in the first place and won't be for a long time. Its usefulness is thus considerably higher in our current situation.
He'd also focused so much on his native Charms that any Sorcerous power he might cultivate would be inferior without undergoing the same kind of rigorous iterative refinement that he probably subjected all his other skills to. We have a chance to go down a different developmental path here.
 
[X] Thaumaturgical Explorations
[X] Upon the Crown
[X] Consolidate Power


I like the synergy of Upon the Crown and thaumaturgical exploration especially since this should be a good way to make use of some of that XP that's been accrued. The effects of Consolidate Power and thaumaturgical exploration should be able to counter the negative effects of spending a bunch of time working on sorcery and Uly is already very well regarded by the public and with the removal of the visiers the higher ups will likely be too terrified to act against him.
 
Just noticed something when reading our satrapy's statistics: we won't likely be killing our creatively punished DB -bureaucrat and other DBs under him, as they are listed as "mandarins".
Overall City Administration is Very Competent - there are Dragon-Blooded mandarins at the helm, the leader of which must perform well or die.
While Consolidate speaks about the viziers of the old king being the problem.
[ ] Consolidate Power - With your newly acquired skill at manipulation, you see that the viziers have been even busier than you originally thought, and not in a manner beneficial to yourself. There is evidence that some have been conspiring with the Realm against you, and that talk is beginning to foment about reaching out to the Fae again. Restructure the government to rely on a different class of exam-certified mandarins, removing the current eunuch system, and make an example of those who believe that their competent administration excuses them of other faults. Do so before this rot has had a chance to sink in, and the entire business becomes much more difficult than it already is. [Increases public loyalty, removes the viziers from power once and for all. Channels any Limit Break acquired into a more... focused manifestation]
And what this means? We'll likely get to keep Teft-kun around, and he will be even more terrified of Ulyssian after he Limit Breaks and purges the corruption from his court! It could even lead to him performing even better in his job!
 
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People giving IC justifications on why Odyssial did not bother with sorcery should remember the OOC (and thus more important) reason: we had better options, and decided not to pick sorcery. People now are not voting for sorcery of this same OOC reason.
 
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