[Exalted, ?] Most High

Do you guys want more time to deliberate on / stunt this action? It's quite important, and may well define the course of the next several updates at the very least. Or would you prefer an update tonight?

22 vs 14 vote seemed very lopsided and i figured a more compromise vote like polis might stand a better chance.

The higher vote doesn't always win. Arguments frequently tip the scale for close races like this one.
 
I had an idea
We established that sorcery lets a practitioner know immaculate dogma is objectively false
If we went polis could we push all our db to learn it
And maybe get fang to push it in the school
An interesting solution!
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With rihaku's approval for this plan we might actually be best served by going with the polis option instead of the metro one if we want to undermine immaculate dogma.
Plus, an army of DB sorcerers FTW.

Though, with ~20 Ambition 2-3 Solar Circle Workings and the sacrifice of an N/A Artifact, you could create your own Primordial, so one does have to weigh the opportunities costs heavily.

Not that Odyssial would ever had built a Primordial, a being he would despise, but Ulyssian (and the voters) might have other ideas...
@Rihaku, was this random musing or is creating a titan something that grows out naturally from the notion of having an army of DB sorcerers?
 
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Buy Evocations Now

Kinda meh on picking up Storm Armor evocations considering it's only a scrub tier artifact (Come on Zao, even an E7 had two 5s) but it's still pretty useful, and Ambition needs no argument, plus we need to pay down that WtS surcharge. Picking up some Charisma is something that could be ok, but I'm rather ambivalent about going down that route.
 
*Train Abilities / Attributes Now

Because whatever we're doing, we need to start shoring up some weaknesses.
 
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With rihaku's approval for this plan we might actually be best served by going with the polis option instead of the metro one if we want to undermine immaculate dogma.
Plus, an army of DB sorcerers FTW.


@Rihaku, was this random musing or is creating a titan something that grows out naturally from the notion of having an army of DB sorcerers?

DB Sorcerers wouldn't be very helpful, they can't perform Ambition 3 Solar Circle Workings, which constitute the majority of Primordial Creation.
 
*Save It for Later
Solar XP cannot be replenished easily. We require additional stabby to replenish it (or can Odyssial find a way to replenish it?)
 
I don't know what I want for this straw-poll. While XP for Workings is very nice, we don't have Solar Circle Sorcery yet so it'd end being inefficient (plus, the idea of an all-three-Circles montage at E5 is quite appealing). On the other hand, raising Attributes/Abilities brings us closer to perfection, which is cool.

And then there's the utility of Adamant Evocations, but they're not quite as cool. Still, we do have to buy Evocations before we can Wake the Sleeper again, and next time we'll be getting E5 Evocations.
 
Would you guys prefer to meet the Lily first or the Fae ally (potentially) first? I imagine you will end up allying with whoever you meet first, so this is actually pretty important (and hence why I'm not making it an IC choice). The Lily is way stronger, but the Fae ally is potentially more useful in a variety of ways.

And then there's the utility of Adamant Evocations, but they're not quite as cool. Still, we do have to buy Evocations before we can Wake the Sleeper again, and next time we'll be getting E5 Evocations.

Ambition will remember that. [/Telltale]
 
Would you guys prefer to meet the Lily first or the Fae ally (potentially) first? I imagine you will end up allying with whoever you meet first, so this is actually pretty important (and hence why I'm not making it an IC choice).

The Fae, I'm quite a bit more curious about them. Lily strikes me as a bit tedious to get along with as well.
 
Would you guys prefer to meet the Lily first or the Fae ally (potentially) first? I imagine you will end up allying with whoever you meet first, so this is actually pretty important (and hence why I'm not making it an IC choice). The Lily is way stronger, but the Fae ally is potentially more useful in a variety of ways.
Well, more murder in an ally is always welcome, I guess I'll go with the Lily, considering her chivalrous nature she might not be so onerous to work it.
 
Would you guys prefer to meet the Lily first or the Fae ally (potentially) first? I imagine you will end up allying with whoever you meet first, so this is actually pretty important (and hence why I'm not making it an IC choice). The Lily is way stronger, but the Fae ally is potentially more useful in a variety of ways.
The soul-stealing monsters or a heart-stealing monster? Both options are supremely unappealing; I'd really have preferred the Seeds, for his ideals and utility. I suppose taking the third option and killing all the abominations isn't actually on the table, so let's go with the Fae. I'm curious about their views on Samapta and perhaps they can provide us with access to unique abilities. The Lily has murder and charisma, but we're the better killer, and Nilul provides less... indiscriminate subversion.
 
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The soul-stealing monsters or a heart-stealing monster? Both options are supremely unappealing; I'd really have preferred the Seeds, for his ideals and utility. I suppose taking the third option and killing all the abominations isn't actually on the table, so let's go with the Fae. I'm curious about their views on Samapta and perhaps they can bring unique abilities to the table.

The Fae also has Appearance 7!

You can certainly choose to kill them, I just don't expect you guys to actually vote for it. Especially the Fae, she's quite reasonable and extremely useful.

For a Fae.
 
The soul-stealing monsters or a heart-stealing monster? Both options are supremely unappealing; I'd really have preferred the Seeds, for his ideals and utility. I suppose taking the third option and killing all the abominations isn't actually on the table, so let's go with the Fae. I'm curious about their views on Samapta and perhaps they can bring unique abilities to the table.
I feel the urge to clarify that being a soul-stealing monster isn't necessarily the case for the Lily, anymore than it was the case for Seeds. Indeed, her actions point to something we can potentially work with. Of course, deception is also a possibility, but I doubt Rihaku would consider an alliance so strong a possibility if that was the case.
 
The Fae also has Appearance 7.

Damn, that was exactly what I didn't want to see, as now it's no longer between the devil and the deep blue sea, they're just both devils. Oh well, I'll stick with the Fae, as hopefully our Ody Cred has higher stock with her. Though as both the ally options are face charactesr my ambivalence for charisma purchases is dwindling into dislike.
 
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You can certainly choose to kill them, I just don't expect you guys to actually vote for it. Especially the Fae, she's quite reasonable and extremely useful.

For a Fae.
With a name like Empress Slay, I'd assumed she would be competing with the Lily for the honor of being the greatest murderhobo. Though that Freehold has stood for long enough that she probably can't be called a hobo of any sort, come to think of it.
I feel the urge to clarify that being a soul-stealing monster isn't necessarily the case for the Lily, anymore than it was the case for Seeds. Indeed, her actions point to something we can potentially work with. Of course, deception is also a possibility, but I doubt Rihaku would consider an alliance so strong a possibility if that was the case.
The Raksha were the soul-stealing monsters in that particular statement, not the Lily. Her actions include mercilessly slaughtering our legions with a smile on her face, a far cry from the protector she purportedly claims to be. That dissonance and unpredictability is what makes me so leery of allying with her, and the fact that her Presence Charms convince anyone who spends any amount of time with her of the righteousness of her cause just makes me more determined not to let her get her foot in the door.
Damn, that was exactly what I didn't want to see, as now it's no longer between the devil and the deep blue sea, they're just both devils. Oh well, I'll stick with the Fae, as hopefully our Ody Cred has higher stock with her. Though as both the ally options are face character my ambivalence for charisma purchases is dwindling.
Might be worth nabbing more Integrity/Evocations. It'd better be a damned reasonable offer, otherwise I'm just going to say we should make with the murder and add slaying another Anathema/legion of Fair Folk to our reputation.
 
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<- Seconding the desire to just kill everything out of spite for not getting the Seeds.
 
With a name like Empress Slay, I'd assumed she would be competing with the Lily for the honor of being the greatest murderhobo. Though that Freehold has stood for long enough that she probably can't be called a hobo of any sort, come to think of it.

Empress Slay isn't the potential ally. The potential ally is very much opposed to the Empress' continued existence.

<- Seconding the desire to just kill everything out of spite for not getting the Seeds.

Confine your wishes to the possible, and you will be far less unhappy!
 
The Raksha were the soul-stealing monsters in that particular statement, not the Lily. Her actions include mercilessly slaughtering our legions with a smile on her face, a far cry from the protector she purportedly claims to be. That dissonance and unpredictability is what makes me so leery of allying with her, and the fact that her Presence Charms convince anyone who spends any amount of time with her of the righteousness of her cause just makes me more determined not to let her get her foot in the door.
I disagree with the notion that truly rules her out as a protector. She has not laid a finger on her allies for instance, and all evidence supports the claim that she treats them very well. I think you are being rather too hasty in judging her with what is at best second-hand information, after all would we have ever considered allying with Seeds if we weren't given an update going into his viewpoint in detail? I rather doubt that we would've hesitated to slaughter him without the benefit of that view point, given the descriptions we were given of the horrors inside his lair.
 
Was reading over the Abyssals section of the 3E Core, and something popped out at me: Abyssals leave victims alive (when they do) often because being left alive causes and allows them to experience further suffering. Could this be why Lily, in killing everyone who opposes her "side" (for want of a better word), is still a paragon of Compassion (or at least considers herself so)?
 
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