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Hmm. The points Rihaku and others have made about using WtS on Ambition have convinced me. I'm not sure if its even needed to include in the vote like The Nomad did, but going to do so just to clarify my position.

[X] Wake the Sleeper
-[X] Ambition
[X] The Scarlet Flag Prophecy

Also, I'm writing an omake about Ulyssian first meditating and regaining Heaven-Turning Calculations before using it on the WtS roll on Ambition. Rihaku, can that be counted as a stunt for getting Evocations with it?
 
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Anasurimbor said:
For extra bonus points on the Wake the Sleeper stunt, be sure to justify using one of Ulyssian's Lore specialties(Dynastic Scion or Prediction) to add an extra dice and 4 non-charm automatic successes.

Might be a bit tricky, though. Prediction is probably the best bet. It's even mathematical. Though I can just imagine Ulyssian bullying his sword into compliance, because Dynasts get whatever they want.
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Honestly, you should just flash buy a Lore Specialty / Background in The First Age to represent your generalized Odyssial memories, that would be more justifiable in-universe and would apply to Ambition. His existing ones don't really apply to Ambition well, since it's not an Artifact Dynastic Scions would have studied, nor a weapon that utilizes Predictionism in its core ability. Would only be 30k in exchange for 80k worth of Evocations.
 
Rihaku said:
Honestly, you should just flash buy a Lore Specialty / Background in The First Age to represent your generalized Odyssial memories, that would be more justifiable in-universe and would apply to Ambition. His existing ones don't really apply to Ambition well, since it's not an Artifact Dynastic Scions would have studied, nor a weapon that utilizes Predictionism in its core ability. Would only be 30k in exchange for 80k worth of Evocations.
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I would go for this, as there probably will be quite many opportunities to benefit from it other situations too.

EDIT: Or maybe we could get Mathematics? Would apply for WtS with HTC, and we would be even more like Number Man.
 
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Rihaku said:
Honestly, you should just flash buy a Lore Specialty / Background in The First Age to represent your generalized Odyssial memories, that would be more justifiable in-universe and would apply to Ambition. His existing ones don't really apply to Ambition well, since it's not an Artifact Dynastic Scions would have studied, nor a weapon that utilizes Predictionism in its core ability. Would only be 30k in exchange for 80k worth of Evocations.
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If that's an option then we should definitely do it. Saving 50k XP (not counting flash-buy surcharges) is well worth the cost of being slightly more focused in something that we were going to be using a lot anyway.
 
Anasurimbor said:
For extra bonus points on the Wake the Sleeper stunt, be sure to justify using one of Ulyssian's Lore specialties(Dynastic Scion or Prediction) to add an extra dice and 4 non-charm automatic successes.

Might be a bit tricky, though. Prediction is probably the best bet. It's even mathematical. Though I can just imagine Ulyssian bullying his sword into compliance, because Dynasts get whatever they want.
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Oh yes, I also wanted to mention that you shouldn't try bullying Odyssial's Ambition. That would be among the top one hundred spectacularly unwise decisions anyone has made in regards to him.

meianmaru said:
Hmm. The points Rihaku and others have made about using WtS on Ambition have convinced me. I'm not sure if its even needed to include in the vote like The Nomad did, but going to do so just to clarify my position.

[X] Wake the Sleeper
-[X] Ambition
[X] The Scarlet Flag Prophecy

Also, I'm writing an omake about Ulyssian first meditating and regaining Heaven-Turning Calculations before using it on the WtS roll on Ambition. Rihaku, can that be counted as a stunt for getting Evocations with it?
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Sure, that should qualify without issue.

meianmaru said:
I would go for this, as there probably will be quite many opportunities to benefit from it other situations too.

EDIT: Or maybe we could get Mathematics? Would apply for WtS with HTC, and we would be even more like Number Man.
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Math is probably less useful in the action-packed second age compared to first age knowledge, though, especially in the context of the Lore ability. Also less directly applicable to Ambition and thus much harder to justify as far as stretching Heaven-Turning Calculations.

Anasurimbor said:
If that's an option then we should definitely do it. Saving 50k XP (not counting flash-buy surcharges) is well worth the cost of being slightly more focused in something that we were going to be using a lot anyway.
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Yeah, normally buying specialities requires two weeks' training time and can't be flash-bought, but since we're fluffing it as memories I guess we can qualify it as a perk of Perfect Fusion.
 
Rihaku said:
Math is probably less useful in the action-packed second age compared to first age knowledge, though, especially in the context of the Lore ability. Also less directly applicable to Ambition and thus much harder to justify as far as stretching Heaven-Turning Calculations.
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Eh, I'm fine with the First Age -specialty. Just a thought.
 
Current Tally
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Prophecy
[X] The Scarlet Flag Prophecy
No. of votes: 19
sithmor
Mannan
SirLagginton
Cavalier
Yun
VanusDraco
me.me.here
TMIoverload
Vitaris
Gaudy Guise
CharlBaal
Alectai
Dark Lord Bob
Random Asian Person
Valor
Serous
Reckless_Sun
The Nomad
meianmaru

[X] The Grand Heretical Prophecy
No. of votes: 15
Usernames
afterthought53
Robotninja
CrawlingChaos74
Coaxmetal
veekie
Katreus
andres
Elero
gigantisrex
trekbook
jamie96969
1986ctcel
arrepio
Thomasfoolery

[X] The Three Kingdoms Prophecy
No. of votes: 5
Orm Embar
Guile
Anasurimbor
Aloysius
Van Ropen


Title
[X] Wake the Sleeper
No. of votes: 16
BSRK Aditya
Brekouh
Ridiculously Average Guy
cyberswordsmen
Anasurimbor
CharlBaal
Dark Lord Bob
Van Ropen
Random Asian Person
Coaxmetal
trekbook
1986ctcel
Aloysius
The Nomad
Thomasfoolery
meianmaru

[X] Absolutely Unbreakable
No. of votes: 4
Diller
arsdraconis
Alectai
Valor

[X] Immortal Commander
No. of votes: 2
Pipeman
Emerald Oracle


Will "Is fucking crazy" ride the crazy train past "red option"? Find out next time, on Vote Tally V!
 
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Well guys, it looks like Flag and Heresy are our front runners for now, so I'll go ahead and eliminate Three Kingdoms from contention. Those of you who voted for it, you fought valiantly on arguments. Currently it looks like the Scarlet Flag is winning on aeguments, so it's a question of buffing Zao or making problems for Anys.

Since Wake the Sleeper won and we're likely to have more Evocations than I've written, does anyone have ideas for Celestial or Adamant Circle, Essence 4 Evocations for the weapon?

This may actually be a case where Away would have been strongly preferred, because its themes are so much broader...
 
Some sort of poison/DoT, to represent his use of cunning past and present? Maybe some method of inflicting aggravated damage/unhealing wounds somehow, or some literal social-fu allowing use of an opponents known intimacies against them? I'm not the greatest on how these would work mechanically, but the themes fit with Ulyssian/Odyssial's behaviour, and Ambition is supposed to represent that, right?
 
Rihaku said:
Since Wake the Sleeper won and we're likely to have more Evocations than I've written, does anyone have ideas for Celestial or Adamant Circle, Essence 4 Evocations for the weapon?
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Higher Essence regeneration by a mote, maybe first limited to battles, which can be upgraded with a repurchase to include all mote regeneration? As a name suggestion for it, how about Inexhaustible Heaven's Breath, or something along those lines?

Spending a Willpower point to an action gives two automatic successes? Maybe limited to once per a scene. No idea for the name.

Upgrading Peerless Skill by lowering the TN to 5 for one attack per scene or day? No uses outside Melee, as its way too overpowered already.

There are some anti-Creature of Darkness Melee Charms, so Evocations boosting those, even if they wouldn't be immediately useful for us because we don't have them. Or just good old doing aggravated damage to CoDs.
 
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If we're not going to go with the Three Kingdoms prophecy, coming up with plans/stunts for how to protect Luseng and the jade mountain simultaneously from three separate threats that eclipse us in power would probably be a good idea.
 
Keep the suggestions coming, guys!
Guile said:
If we're not going to go with the Three Kingdoms prophecy, coming up with plans/stunts for how to protect Luseng and the jade mountain simultaneously from three separate threats that eclipse us in power would probably be a good idea.
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At this rate, with you getting HAM extra successes on Wake the Sleeper, you are probably going to be more powerful than any single threat by yourself, within a month or two.

But yes, getting to that point, stunts could be uber helpful.
 
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meianmaru said:
Kill everything that stands in our way?
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Which way? Starting with which group? Uly will be trying to protect something the size of France using himself and two dozen DBs: this is a situation that ENORMOUSLY favors the Abyssals who can come and go as they please, and that faction also has the Deathlord as the most potent threat. Also they presumably have an army of zombies or something so they can threaten at least three battlefields at once, or up to seven depending on how the circle splits up.

We may have to try and alpha strike the Deathlord, or they'll just slowly cut us to pieces with Solar (ish) power.
 
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Guile said:
Which way? Starting with which group? Uly will be trying to protect something the size of France using himself and two dozen DBs: this is a situation that ENORMOUSLY favors the Abyssals who can come and go as they please, and also have the Deathlord as the most potent threat.
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It's not quite as large as France! Maybe the combined British Isles.
 
Guile said:
Which way? Starting with which group? Uly will be trying to protect something the size of France using himself and two dozen DBs: this is a situation that ENORMOUSLY favors the Abyssals who can come and go as they please, and that faction also has the Deathlord as the most potent threat. Also they presumably have an army of zombies or something so they can threaten at least three battlefields at once, or up to seven depending on how the circle splits up.

We may have to try and alpha strike the Deathlord, or they'll just slowly cut us to pieces with Solar (ish) power.
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Hmm. Note to self: don't try sarcasm by text without smilies. Its just doesn't reach people otherwise.
 
[X] The Grand Heretical Prophecy

Neither option immediately helps us, but this has the strong advantage of being completely unexpected. Anys has already seen us buffing the Navy. She might expect(or at least hope) us to focus our efforts on survival, but seeing us waste a bit of them on Zao won't surprise her. There's no way she'd have planned for us slowly undermining the very basis of her rule. Such a diffuse effort will also be much harder for her to counter, as she is only one person and can be only in one place at a time. She has minions, yes, but she doesn't have access to the kinds of broad-scale effects that we do. If she's forced to spend her time putting out brushfires then she can't advance her agenda or consolidate her rule.

More generally, I don't like how we have focused all of our efforts on Zao and the Navy. The navy may be necessary, but it certainly isn't enough. Opening options elsewhere may be worth a slightly less firm grasp over the navy.
 
If this Wake the Sleeper roll gets a whole bunch of stacked stunt and non-Charm bonuses (and some very good luck!), this iteration of Ulyssian could be the strongest that you guys have ever played in his three quests. Even stronger than the E4 version that fused with Mardukth and had the Sword that Ends the World...
 
On the subject of the Scarlet Flag, one benefit that I don't think has been mentioned is that if we boost Zao's opinion of us, he might expidite sending our friends here. Having a few DBs around that we know we can trust would be very helpful.
 
Does anyone feel like doing an omake for the Scarlet Flag? Would boost its effectiviness and give it more chances of winning. I'm currently occupied by my WtS omake.
 
Jorlem said:
On the subject of the Scarlet Flag, one benefit that I don't think has been mentioned is that if we boost Zao's opinion of us, he might expidite sending our friends here. Having a few DBs around that we know we can trust would be very helpful.
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Well, he's definitely not sending Moon until it's safe, though Luseng is simpler to secure than Serenti. Not necessarily easier, but... simpler. But Moon may defy him, with your help. If you are strong enough, and have enough allies.
 
Aloysius said:
I'm not sure what a stunt for Wake the Sleeper would look like, any ideas ?
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Something that has Ulyssian applying his vast and weighty intellect to expanding his knowledge of his sword. You might also go in for a touch of metaphysical brouhaha about Ulyssian/Odyssial and Ambition.

@Rihaku Could we stunt Scarlet Flag into weakening/mitigating some of the military threat Luseng faces? I ask because if Luseng is entirely Coastal then it is within possibility that the newly resurgent Navy might have a flotilla in the area with some long range guns or trigger happy marines. As the Successor of Admiral Zao Ulyssian might be able to get some institutional loyalty going, despite his lack of official position.
 
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