[Exalted, ?] Most High

Making Flame emperor is not necessary for using him to run a breeding program. His bloodline is the kind of thing that the various houses would literally kill to get. Give some of it to one house and the others will be scrambling to not be left behind in a sort of arms race. With appropriate stipulations regarding the education of his offspring Anys can make them more loyal to her, Flame, the Immaculate Order or whoever than to their ostensible houses.
 
I'm still not seeing any real strategy or plan to actually end Anys Syn's rule over the Realm, other than "get powerful from the Satrapies and rebel and hope we can find enough allies to make it work." At least the River Province offers an almost unlimited scope for the growth of raw power if we're resorting to that; overpowering an intact Realm might actually be possible then. Rebellion is not unless Hesiesh is exposed and we have nothing there.
 
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I suppose it could just be a coincidence that the only people who signed the oh-so damning scroll upon which all our hopes rest, and who know 'Hesiesh' has returned and vouched for Ulyssian, are people who need to be dealt with in one way or another for Resolute Flame to secure control of the Realm.
Which we don't know that he's going to do, and even if he is, we can hardly oppose it by throwing in the towel and going off to play a different game altogether, leaving Anys Syn to have her way with both the Realm and the people we care about within it.
Perhaps Anys Syn's goals do not include Flame having overt rule of the Realm, although that means inefficient structures not under her thumb will persist which seems suboptimal when she is playing for these kinds of stakes; but her breeding program requires that Flame have access to enormous amounts of Dragonblooded females and various other resources. Being the Emperor is the easiest way to arrange that kind of thing and also, you know, further consolidates control of the Realm. A single unquestioned ruler who believes her unquestioningly is far more pliable than a dozen houses led by cynical elders. And underestimating her ruthlessness, audacity, or willingness to gamble for the highest stake seems to be quite unwise given recent developments.
So you admit the Elders are cynical, and unlikely to accept her ruse unquestioningly, even if they are playing along for now to see how the dice fall? If she kills them now, what happens? The Realm falls, period. Flame doesn't have the power to unify or provide central authority, and is just one man without a decade or more to breed and train an army. She can easily sell the various Elders on the value of Flame's bloodline without needing to kill them all and place Flame on the throne.
 
I'm still not seeing any real strategy or plan to actually end Anys Syn's rule over the Realm, other than "get powerful from the Satrapies and rebel and hope we can find enough allies to make it work." At least the River Province offers an almost unlimited scope for the growth of raw power if we're resorting to that; overpowering an intact Realm might actually be possible then. Rebellion is not unless Hesiesh is exposed and we have nothing there.

I wasn't aware that we were physically capable of planning more than two or three updates ahead, given how often the entire game changes between one update or another?
 
So you admit the Elders are cynical, and unlikely to accept her ruse unquestioningly, even if they are playing along for now to see how the dice fall? If she kills them now, what happens? The Realm falls, period. Flame doesn't have the power to unify or provide central authority, and is just one man without a decade or more to breed and train an army. She can easily sell the various Elders on the value of Flame's bloodline without needing to kill them all and place Flame on the throne.

If only there were an institution which monopolized the services of the most powerful of Dragonblooded and which would follow Anys Syn and her chosen one without question and which enjoyed incredible moral, social, and political legitimacy to pick up the pieces of the Realm...
 
I'm still not seeing any real strategy or plan to actually end Anys Syn's rule over the Realm, other than "get powerful from the Satrapies and rebel and hope we can find enough allies to make it work." At least the River Province offers an almost unlimited scope for the growth of raw power if we're resorting to that; overpowering an intact Realm might actually be possible then. Rebellion is not unless Hesiesh is exposed and we have nothing there.
Versus plan 'overrun the Realm with Elder Lunars'?
 
I'm still not seeing any real strategy or plan to actually end Anys Syn's rule over the Realm, other than "get powerful from the Satrapies and rebel and hope we can find enough allies to make it work." At least the River Province offers an almost unlimited scope for the growth of raw power if we're resorting to that; overpowering an intact Realm might actually be possible then. Rebellion is not unless Hesiesh is exposed and we have nothing there.
And you're assuming the River Province plan will go off without a hitch, despite it destroying the Ulyssian identity (thus invalidating all our hard work preserving it) and indebting us to the Infernals (surely no repercussions there, right?). To top it all off, we have basically no idea what the situation over there looks like, other than 'Lunars/Deathlord duking it out'. Luseng offers us basically the same thing: a prosperous region threatened by a Deathlord/other assorted issues. It also comes with the added bonus of us not having to deal with the existing nations because we're endowed with authority to rule. You say the Mask needs to die, but the Lunars are already taking care of that. He died just fine in the Odyssey.
If only there were an institution which monopolized the services of the most powerful of Dragonblooded and which would follow Anys Syn and her chosen one without question and which enjoyed incredible moral, social, and political legitimacy to pick up the pieces of the Realm...
Cute. The Immaculates don't have the numbers or power to rule openly, and you know it. If she launches a coup against the Great Houses using them, she may win, but she'll leave the Realm open for one of its other innumerable enemies in the process. She is not stupid; a civil war (which is what your notion of her plans would entail) does not favor her. The Hesiesh ruse would've been less effective in the event of open conflict, remember?
 
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Cute. The Immaculates don't have the numbers or power to rule openly, and you know it. If she launches a coup against the Great Houses using them, she may win, but she'll leave the Realm open for one of its other innumerable enemies in the process.
One could say this whole ruse will leave the Realm open to her enemies, considering she's aiming to somehow shut Zao out and also kill us.

That's the whole thing that Kejak would have been, 'Syn, maybe you wanna dial it back a little?' but Syn just goes, 'Screw you old man, we sometimes need to be crazy and reckless to secure victory! I miss you."
 
One could say this whole ruse will leave the Realm open to her enemies, considering she's aiming to somehow shut Zao out and also kill us.
Yeah, but assassinating the Elders, who are at the very least playing along with her gambit for now, crosses the line from recklessness into madness. It destroys her own powerbase and would provoke a civil war. It's self-defeating, completely negating the benefits of temporarily unifying the Realm.
 
The central flaw of Syn's plans is that, no matter how high she rises or how much control she gains, her web of schemes will always have a single point of failure: the Hesiesh guise. She's not unlike us in that regard; exposure means ruin. If we can survive long enough to accumulate the power necessary to shatter that facade (via EotUCS or forcing her into battle) then all her schemes come apart at the seams. Emperor Flame's legitimacy? Gone. Suddenly, he's just another zealot with a powerful bloodline. Her power looks absolute, but you think there aren't those who are questioning? Either individuals who weren't particularly devout in the first place, or the Immaculates who wonder why Hesiesh isn't taking the field in open battle, or where in the fuck the other Elemental Dragons are? Her position appears unassailable, but this is as much an illusion as fact. There's a reason that, even at the height of their power, the Bronze Faction never pulled this stunt; it's because it's insanely reckless. She's put all her cards on the table. If we expose her, we end the Immaculate faith, or at least cripple it almost beyond recovery.

Luseng will be difficult, of that there is no doubt, but as long as Sesus Ulyssian still lives, we can make a comeback. Fade Away burns that bridge, forever. It's an entirely different series of gambits and long shots, and relies on negotiations with the Infernals and Lunars, as opposed to mere combat (which is definitely Ulyssian's strongest area), and builds on past deeds.

The problem is tracking her down to use Eye of the Unconqured Son on her, and doing it while all the Great Houses are there to witness it. Hell if we know where she, or can rig a condition like that, we might as well get the gang together and gank her.
 
And you're assuming the River Province plan will go off without a hitch, when we have basically no idea what the situation over there looks like, other than Lunars/Deathlord duking it out. Luseng offers us basically the same thing: a prosperous region threatened by a Deathlord/other assorted issues. It also comes with the added bonus of us not having to deal with the existing nations because we're endowed with authority.

Cute. The Immaculates don't have the numbers or power to rule openly, and you know it. If she launches a coup against the Great Houses using them, she may win, but she'll leave the Realm open for one of its other innumerable enemies.

I'm assuming we have far more leeway to act without being institutionally sabotaged if we leave the Realm's structures. A neutral environment is inherently more favorable than a hostile environment. You, too, are assuming Luseng will "go off without a hitch" in that Ulyssian can win, and win convincingly enough to become a hero unassailable by the Elder Sidereal who rules the Realm; and that she can't or won't be able to sabotage Ulyssian. Strengthening the already-existing Confederation of Rivers by abusing PoSC and leading it against one enemy rather than three alongside a larger army with more and more powerful Celestial Exalted allies seems like better odds to me, and a better payoff as well.

And Anys Syn can use the existing rivalries of the Houses against each other. She doesn't have to kill them all at once. Mnemon is already hated, so focus on getting her rivals to attack her first. Then when she's dead, subvert her House, and set Sesus and Cathak on each other for round two. The Scarlet Empress carefully balanced factions to avoid letting it go too far, but excess bloodshed at the top is a benefit for her. As long as the Navy can fend off threats to the Blessed Isle she has all the time she needs to let that play out, and then destroy whoever else remains and refuses to bend the knee to the Immaculate-sanctified Chosen One.

Really perhaps it might be too much for her, but underestimating an Elder Sidereal's ability to manipulate the Realm's politics and religion got us in this mess in the first place. "I can't see how Anys Syn would secure control of the Realm for Flame" does not mean "Anys Syn can't secure control of the Realm for Flame."
 
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Do you guys want to use Wake the Sleeper on Ambition, or wait until you get an Artifact armor with more Evocations and then use it? You can probably wrangle 2-3 Evocations more from the armor than from Ambition, and you do need Charms like those an armor would give.

Edit: You may vote on this even if you haven't voted for Wake the Sleeper; it's just a contingency I need to address because I'll have to write a lot of Evocations either way.
 
Do you guys want to use Wake the Sleeper on Ambition, or wait until you get an Artifact armor with more Evocations and then use it? You can probably wrangle 2-3 Evocations more from the armor than from Ambition, and you do need Charms like those an armor would give.

Edit: You may vote on this even if you haven't voted for Wake the Sleeper; it's just a contingency I need to address because I'll have to write a lot of Evocations either way.
If I thought we planned to offload Ambition I'd use it on the Storm Armor, but that's always going to be a hard sell, so...
 
Yeah, but assassinating the Elders, who are at the very least playing along with her gambit for now, crosses the line from recklessness into madness. It destroys her own powerbase and would provoke a civil war. It's self-defeating, completely negating the benefits of temporarily unifying the Realm.

...Madness?

THIS!

IS!

CREATION
 
The problem is tracking her down to use Eye of the Unconqured Son on her. Hell if we know where she is we might as well get the gang together and gank her.
Even if we got the gang together to gank her, we'd have worse than even odds of succeeding.
I'm assuming we have far more leeway to act without being institutionally sabotaged if we leave the Realm's structures. A neutral environment is inherently more favorable than a hostile environment. You, too, are assuming Luseng will "go off without a hitch" in that Ulyssian can win, and win convincingly enough to become a hero unassailable by the Elder Sidereal who rules the Realm; and that she can't or won't be able to sabotage Ulyssian. Strengthening the already-existing Confederation of Rivers by abusing PoSC and leading it against one enemy rather than three alongside a larger army with more and more powerful Celestial Exalted allies seems like better odds to me, and a better payoff as well.
Hmm, I think any victory in Luseng will require turning the three armies against each other; an Odyssian feat if there ever was one, a deed epic in scope. The Gardener is subject to the Terror of Odyssial, the Fair Folk fear the Samapta, and Ragmar is stated to be treacherous; there's potential there. Dealing with the Confederation means actually dealing with them, negotiating (not Ulyssian's strong suit) with the Lunars who are opposing the Mask and the remnants of the various powers in that part of the world, as opposed to the Satrapy's armies throwing themselves at our feet in the desperate hope that we can save them from certain doom. We'd have to do as Ragmar is doing with the Fair Folk and the Gardener and compromise for a chance at a slice of the pie.

Also, the Seven Against Thorns were victorious in the Odyssey, and presumably will be here as well. Who's going to save Luseng, if not us? Thorns is already being attended to. I find the notion of being part of the cleanup crew for the Lunar death squad to be less appealing than the chance to truly stretch our heroic muscles, capitalize on our legend, and utilize the cunning for which we are so famed.
 
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Also, the Seven Against Thorns were victorious in the Odyssey, and presumably will be here as well.
In fairness, the Seven Against Thorns were victorious because they were lead by Lealope the Invincible. Here, Lea's a different entity, and is occupied elsewhere, so the driving force behind the Seven is probably not present.
 
In fairness, the Seven Against Thorns were victorious because they were lead by Lealope the Invincible. Here, Lea's a different entity, and is occupied elsewhere, so the driving force behind the Seven is probably not present.
There are still presumably a bunch of Lunar Emperors kicking over the Mask's sandcastles; the situation there is hardly so dire that it requires our immediate attention. Luseng is utterly fucked if we don't step in.
 
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