[Exalted, ?] Most High

No...

I mean aesthetically I don't want that and practically speaking having someone who could seriously challenge us over disagreements probably isn't the best.

Yes, yes, god forbid anyone should stand up to Ulyssian. We should also go ahead and kill Zao, Nilul, Pearl, Hero, Saery, the Fairest, and Lealope while we're at it. And of course every Solaroid Sorcerer because that'll mean Ulyssian has to take Sorcery, right? Because that's about the extent of your concern with "aesthetics," as far as I can tell.
 
We need to get one of those Elder DBs that could have talked us into getting krunk on Ayala, stat!

I think we assumed that being well on her way to Adamant Sorcery would eat up all her XP.

Well, I told you guys what the cost was last vote! It's a simple 100,000 XP for you, and you don't even have Occult favored.

Of course, in retrospect, that would be like Uly not being able to afford charms because he focused pretty heavily on Evocations.

You guys actually don't have enough Evocations for your Essence level, assuming maximum Solar XP gain. You dumped 4 Evocs worth into stats, after all. Though they were some niiice stats.
 
Well, I told you guys what the cost was last vote! It's a simple 100,000 XP for you, and you don't even have Occult favored.



You guys actually don't have enough Evocations for your Essence level, assuming maximum Solar XP gain. You dumped 4 Evocs worth into stats, after all. Though they were some niiice stats.
... Does going from 4 to 5 do more than add a die roll on everything? Because that doesn't really seem that good compared to, I don't know... dropping a tac nuke like that God Strike whatchamacallit.
 
Mind, truth be told Terrestrial Sorcery might not be a bad investment soon. Evocations for Ambition are stupidly broken but only useful for direct combat, and we're not going to need another artifact weapon besides it. And the Lore build eventually has all those free Evocations for any armors or maybe artifact throwing knives we pick up. Being able to spend Solar XP on very useful utility spells like Infallible Messenger and Demon of the First Circle would probably work nicely, especially for Ulyssian who is outside the Academy and not fighting the Civil War.
 
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.


Still voting for negotiations, don't see why we should change that after doing very well and having 2 concessions in our favor automatically.
 
... Does going from 4 to 5 do more than add a die roll on everything? Because that doesn't really seem that good compared to, I don't know... dropping a tac nuke like that God Strike whatchamacallit.

Well, it adds 2 dice to relevant rolls with the Excellency, plus raising your damage (where it adds two dice as well, due to the Strength-dependent effect of Fire and Stones strike, or 3 dice if you got Increasing Strength Exercise - also adds an additional 2 attacks to Invincible Fury of the Dawn with max Increasing Strength Exercise active). But the biggest deal was probably the INT gain, which gets you higher War rolls and Lore rolls, of which Wake the Sleeper is one. That extra two dice is like a free Evoc when combined with Fate-Shifting Solar Arete, multiplied by the number of Artifacts you have.

Higher INT also maxes your Sorcerous Working rolls, relatively speaking. So there's definitely some benefit there, plus the Evocations you didn't buy you can potentially get for free off Wake the Sleeper (higher chance now that your pool for that roll is higher).
 
Yes, yes, god forbid anyone should stand up to Ulyssian. We should also go ahead and kill Zao, Nilul, Pearl, Hero, Saery,
Not a concern as they aren't relevant on Odyssial's level.

I don't know enough yet to make a judgement, but apparently she didn't hinder Odyssial enough for him to kill her.

and Lealope while we're at it.
Lea's disagreement will be in ways beneficial to Odyssial.

Like, were people opposed to Dr Apocalypse killing everyone that could oppose him? Because I found it both cool and sensible.

And of course every Solaroid Sorcerer because that'll mean Ulyssian has to take Sorcery, right? Because that's about the extent of your concern with "aesthetics," as far as I can tell.
No, we should simply learn Sorcery. Problem solved. We could have done that at our last vote. Until we do learn it, however, I am opposed to taking choices that disincentivize it; if killing our enemies is beneficial, enjoyable, and helps us learn Sorcery that's great. Until then I'd prefer to simply avoid alternate methods of accessing Sorcery (unless we could get a consensus that we'd get Sorcery regardless of practical considerations), and once we do get it I'm fine with Solaroid Sorcerers.

Also:
"Aesthetics"? You have discovered my dreadful secret! I am a robot, unable to be pleased by literature; BEEP! BOOP! 10101110!
 
Oh goddamnit, she's using the Ebon Dragon's memory charms. She has to be, as Nio reincarnating (at least like this) is impossible.
There isn't really anything truly impossible. Core personality traits that you can be born with can be kept through reincarnation normally it's just that everything else is wiped totally. That is all Alaya kept from Nio a general personality type and some minor quirks. If she had memories or skills it would be impossible but what we see here is something that would be expected to have happened somewhere in creation. While Nio reincarnating like this is almost certain her getting a Celestial exaltation is much less likely but not by as much as you think of you assume she has a sorcery focused version of Uly's personality type as that would make her as good a candidate for exaltation as Uly himself would be without the reincarnation shenanigans.
 
I'm aiming for an afternoon posting tomorrow, I'm EST. Is that a good time for everyone? The next decision point will be extremely significant, assuming you survive this one, so I want people to get their say.
Sounds good to me.

In 3E, Infernals in general do not get access to Primordial Charms. They have their own, Hell-aspected Charms, like Abyssals do with the dead. That said, there's nothing stopping her from having something like Memory-Reweaving Discipline, sure, though she'd have to be either Supernal in the pertinent Ability (extremely unlikely given that she's a Defiler) or E4 and heavily invested in social attack.
But Nilul still has Ebon Dragon charms?
 
Sounds good to me.

But Nilul still has Ebon Dragon charms?

That's 'cause she's his daughter. It's like Adorjan's daughters still having Adorjan Charms.

Which does make Nilul unique, as far as Exalts go, especially since she can create Heretical ED / DB Charms.

There isn't really anything truly impossible. Core personality traits that you can be born with can be kept through reincarnation normally it's just that everything else is wiped totally. That is all Alaya kept from Nio a general personality type and some minor quirks. If she had memories or skills it would be impossible but what we see here is something that would be expected to have happened somewhere in creation. While Nio reincarnating like this is almost certain her getting a Celestial exaltation is much less likely but not by as much as you think of you assume she has a sorcery focused version of Uly's personality type as that would make her as good a candidate for exaltation as Uly himself would be without the reincarnation shenanigans.

Remember, she created a talisman capable of saving Ody's life, and another one capable of fooling the casual scrutiny of a 2C Daeva, when she was like, seven!
 
So, Ayala might be Nio's incarnation, unless it is a trick? I actually was somewhat suspicious beforehand that this could be a thing. It just seemed like a thing that a cruel GM would do to try twist a knife further in the playerbase's wounds (and to make the story more interesting, of course). Anyway, heavily in favor of continuing our negotiations. What we get already for "free" is pretty good, and continued exchange of favors could be quite useful, as would be keeping in contact so that we can work on converting them further.

[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
No, we should simply learn Sorcery. Problem solved. We could have done that at our last vote. Until we do learn it, however, I am opposed to taking choices that disincentivize it; if killing our enemies is beneficial, enjoyable, and helps us learn Sorcery that's great. Until then I'd prefer to simply avoid alternate methods of accessing Sorcery (unless we could get a consensus that we'd get Sorcery regardless of practical considerations), and once we do get it I'm fine with Solaroid Sorcerers.
If it helps, I'm strongly for getting Sorcery the next time we get to have the chance, now that we have PoSC out of the way, with the added incentive of Ayala not being our direct ally, at least for now.
 
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Oh I see I made a typo in the vote; it should be "Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one basis;" missing word, probably not actually necessary to clarify intent but there you go. Should probably just copy/paste the existing version so as not to throw off the vote counter.
 
Oh I see I made a typo in the vote; it should be "Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one basis;" missing word, probably not actually necessary to clarify intent but there you go. Should probably just copy/paste the existing version so as not to throw off the vote counter.
On this, and the issue of information about what Ayala and Fei Ling are actually doing, and maybe even the other Infernals and Reclamation as a whole: wouldn't laying out the conditions on this particular item help both Ulyssian and Nilul to potentially tease out some details about what their plans involve generally? So maybe an omake to boost that?
 
On this, and the issue of information about what Ayala and Fei Ling are actually doing, and maybe even the other Infernals and Reclamation as a whole: wouldn't laying out the conditions on this particular item help both Ulyssian and Nilul to potentially tease out some details about what their plans involve generally?

Yeah Rihaku indeed suggested information instead of the Sorcerous Working. I agree, but again, vote counter. Since no one has actually presented an idea for a Sorcerous Working to be used right now, it seems reasonable. We can just trade a favor for a working at a later date when we need one.
 
Hm, are you guys sure about this Sorcerous Working vote? I imagine you could marshal some support if you voted for Information instead, since that would reduce your supply of Sorcery and thus make purchasing it more attractive.
 
Well, how exactly would "Concession I" be worded? Information about their goals, the Reclamation in general, the state of Malfeas and the Infernals? Or maybe just "Information about the Reclamation" to cover whatever they are willing to tell us of their agenda, plans, and so on?
 
Hm, are you guys sure about this Sorcerous Working vote? I imagine you could marshal some support if you voted for Information instead, since that would reduce your supply of Sorcery and thus make purchasing it more attractive.
I would be fine with dropping it. If we are setting up the favor trading system we might get the opportunity for one later on anyway if she wants predictionism assistance for something.
 
Yeah Rihaku indeed suggested information instead of the Sorcerous Working. I agree, but again, vote counter. Since no one has actually presented an idea for a Sorcerous Working to be used right now, it seems reasonable. We can just trade a favor for a working at a later date when we need one.

Well, we don't want to precede a favor with "just," in this context. Not when she's spending her hard-earned XP!
Well, how exactly would "Concession I" be worded? Information about their goals, the Reclamation in general, the state of Malfeas and the Infernals? Or maybe just "Information about the Reclamation" to cover whatever they are willing to tell us of their agenda, plans, and so on?

I guess it depends on whether you prefer actionable Prophecy content or shotgunned information.
 
Well, how exactly would "Concession I" be worded? Information about their goals, the Reclamation in general, the state of Malfeas and the Infernals?
Similar to Guile's then?
-[!] Concession Write-in: Info dump. The Yozi and the Neverborn, Deathlord plots and the current Infernal agendas (including what Ayala and Ling hope to accomplish here), to the best of Ayala and Ling's knowledge.

All grist for the mill of the Strategos's plans.

On which Rihaku commented:
They won't be able to give you that in detail, not to the standards of a Prophecy, unless you focus it on one specific aspect - the one they're specifically working on. And that infodump would take a little while. But Prophecy-quality material is quite valuable on its own, for the sheer expident of it allowing you to cast Prophecy. Even half a handful of those can change the fates of armies, nations, Directions - and through them, the world.

So...do we want general information, or a specific exhaustive explanation of what they are currently working on such that we could affected it via Prophesy?
 
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
 
Yeah Rihaku indeed suggested information instead of the Sorcerous Working. I agree, but again, vote counter. Since no one has actually presented an idea for a Sorcerous Working to be used right now, it seems reasonable. We can just trade a favor for a working at a later date when we need one.
Well, more of meant this part:
Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
And using laying out its terms, while at the same time asking what kind of situations they would want favors and use that to try reading them with bullshit Solaroid level Charms, and hopefully see some of their intentions through that. But I would be willing to change my vote if we get some consensus behind it.
 
Considering I strongly support purchasing sorcery, I prefer a free assassination to a free working, but I would also support a vote for information if we are going to make this a long term thing with an eye to making them allies.
 
Well, this information vs. Sorcery thing is probably the greatest point of contention left, assuming Limit Break doesn't get a resurgence. Which we can't entirely rule out, given that half the voterbase hasn't yet chimed in!
 
It's gonna be hilarious if this isn't Nio, but some first age asshole who managed to assimilate her soul or something to use as a weapon against Odyssial, which is working perfectly from his hesitation
 
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