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Wait, bloodmare isn't the term for unwilling fertilisations?
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[Exalted, ?] Most High
- Thread starter Rihaku
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I think there's a strong consensus for the Unequal Contact Information and a Sorcerous Working. I don't think too many people would mind trying to use the opportunity to build up more of a rapport and create conditions to remain in contact and trade favors in the future.
Rihaku
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If you're going to go the trade favors route, perhaps information on what they're attempting would be more valuable than a Working. For all you know, their planned actions could be directly counter to your interests - large-scale devastation to the Realm, perhaps, or sabotaging the Sword of Creation. Their plans could even involve Zao or the Academy somehow.
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That sounds like a legit point. We don't know what we'd want for a Working right now anyway.
Rihaku
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Regarding the previous vote, are you guys really sure you want to buff the Academy? Increasing its security isn't near enough to actually ensure Zao lives, and the other benefits are honestly kind of meh compared to House Sesus. Unless you don't consider House Sesus your ally at all - which could be a fair point, but then why were you relying on them in the event of Civil War? You still are a Sesus, and they could still be turned to your side, if you are useful or powerful enough.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
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Action
[X] Not Good Enough[Limit Break]
No. of votes: 4
[X] Negotiations
No. of votes: 13
Negotiation Specifics
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
No. of votes: 12
No. of votes: 10
No. of votes: 7
-[X] Concession Write-in: Info dump. The Yozi and the Neverborn, Deathlord plots and the current Infernal agendas (including what Ayala and Ling hope to accomplish here), to the best of Ayala and Ling's knowledge.
No. of votes: 2
-[X] Concession A: The two parties will exchange unequal contact information (you will be able to contact them, but they won't be able to contact you, as long as you're warded from Infallible Messenger)
No. of votes: 1
-[X] Reverse Concession: Ulyssian will agree to help them out for one assassination, logistics permitting, for Resources 4.
No. of votes: 1
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We can buff them after we graduate? Also the Stress was too much and while it might win to do all three if we revoted.... ugh, it's a revote and that means more time spent talking and less time getting on with the plot.
Funny thing is arguably not even UMI was always mind-control in 2E. Only thing it universally controlled was your ability to not listen/ignore what was said. You had to actually face what the person was saying.
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
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The level of power that he had at the end of the primordial war when he was soloing Primordials.
Rihaku
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E7 or so? That might be possible.
Rihaku
The Internet
Oh, that was a quick reversal. Looks like I should have stuck with my instincts and argued for Not Good Enough! There is something to be said for Limit Breaking here and getting it out of the way, and while Fei Ling is a formidable combatant, your chances of winning aren't terrible, either. You've probably got better than even odds, and Ayala is almost mote-tapped so she's limited to Sorcery, which is slower. Plus, you'd get valuable XP for killing them! Probably close to 100k, and removes two of Hell's most potent agents.
Yeah, that's why UMI wasn't a good indicator of whether something was mind control or not. Psyche is much clearer.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
E7 Polemgaos was soloed by an insolent brat, E7 Odyssial was killing primordials?
A sadder statement on relative exalt types I can't think of.
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Rihaku
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Well yeah, he was Odyssial... aside from being a Solar versus a DB, Odyssial's build was a lot more optimal, and, most importantly, the Primordials got the Full Odyssial Experience.
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
Negotiation won so we might as well reap the benefits.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
Negotiation won so we might as well reap the benefits.
Rihaku
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Technically, Negotiation trying to turn them won, and you didn't succeed in turning them (mostly Ayala, who is the boss), though they are remaining cordial for now. Given that they're not willing to be your allies, and that they could well be opposed to your interests, isn't that 100k XP and guaranteed Limit Break pretty good?
So we definitely don't get allies out of this and nothing we can do could actually bind them to silence in the face of the Ebon Dragon? And they know a secret that if shared would lead to almost literally the whole world actively trying to kill us? And if we kill them we get 100k XP and two extra actions next turn?
Killing them has never seemed more attractive.
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Hell, I know we're not going to (use the training time for that purpose, I mean) but killing her would give us enough XP to be a Celestial Sorcerer (obviating any need of her) and the extra actions necessary to accomplish it within a month.
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Rihaku
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I'll try and find it but I could swear you made some comment about the futility of them lying to the Ebon Dragon, even if oathbound.
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"Negotiation does not suffice; it's hardly protection from the Ebon Dragon simply seeing through their lies, next they meet."
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If e7 is the full Odyssial experience, what do you call the events leading to the aftermath of the Usurpation?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
So, Ayala is so socially specced that she could tank the Full Nilul Experience without even considering?
Joy.
It makes me wonder where these people find the time and energy to be world class Sorcerers and impeccable diplomats, or at least stubborn enough not to give a fuck.
That does actually kind of nudge me towards "Kill them now", but I suspect they'll destroy us on the way down. When you get right down to it, they won a lot more due to "Odyssial rising to the forefront and blowing our cover" then we did arguing with them, because Ayala evidently no-sold the argument. They now have all of the cards to play, and we haven't really gained anything from them yet that's actually meaningful (Given how if Nilul can break Oaths, they can just waltz up to a Fiend and say "Hey! Release me from this Oath I'm in and I'll tell you something good!)
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Rihaku
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Even mortal Ulyssian could give people the Full Ulyssian Experience. It's just a matter of degree.
He can see that they're lying, sure. But that doesn't mean he can get it out of them.
We could withstand Nihul, and we are an absolute monster, especially considering that we Exalted two months ago.
Rihaku
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Sorcery takes two Charms, and the relevant Integrity Charms are like 4-6 at most. She has between 31 and 40+ Charms, not counting spells. In 3E there's no social parrying, the only defense is Integrity. Also, Nilul didn't really target Ayala much, Ayala sort of talked over her. Most high Essence Exalts are incredibly good at tons at shit. Look at Uly. Perfect disguise is two charms. Perfect instinct for shadiness is one charm. Perfect cheating at gambling is two charms.
Did you ever go into the details of the collateral for taking down Odyssial? Aside from the mention of him taking more than a pound of flesh from two incarnae, and the obvious death of countless exalts?