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I really expected us to be negotiating around which Concessions to take right now, but the Red Option is turning out in force! Haven't seen much direct argument for it, though, as far as benefits and costs. You know that Fei Ling could kill you, right? It is very possible, mechanically. You really only need to get unlucky on two rolls.
 
Is it possible that Udy and or anyone he knew was able to recreate Nio or a projection there of when he was exalted during the first age? For people who know more about him is this something that you'd say is out of character for him to try?

Could we allow them to contact us and use that to get the ability to contact them in turn? Write in for a concession/equal-trade.
 
Dream Logic said:
Is it possible that Udy and or anyone he knew was able to recreate Nio or a projection there of when he was exalted during the first age? For people who know more about him is this something that you'd say is out of character for him to try?

Could we allow them to contact us and use that to get the ability to contact them in turn? Write in for a concession/equal-trade.
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They can already contact you as long as you're not warded against Infallible Messenger, because Ayala has it / can learn it and has now met you.
 
I'm not in favour of Limit Breaking here, I'm just not sure what Concessions would be worthwhile.
 
Rihaku said:
They won't be able to give you that in detail, not to the standards of a Prophecy, unless you focus it on one specific aspect - the one they're specifically working on. And that infodump would take a little while. But Prophecy-quality material is quite valuable on its own, for the sheer expident of it allowing you to cast Prophecy. Even half a handful of those can change the fates of armies, nations, Directions - and through them, the world.
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So they haven't been tapped for those big communal projects like in Uly's Infernal quest?
 
Usernames said:
Question, what would happen if Resolute Flame/Zao/Moon/Saery/Hero became a solar?

@Rihaku

Or is Solar dragon is still possible?
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When was it ever possible?

Emerald Oracle said:
Huh, can Prophet be used to ensure that Ivory, when healed, is able to get into Yu-Shan sans problems and allow her to get Ulyssian and co some fortuitous astrological buffs? Or would the Prophecy have to be general enough to benefit other sidereals as well?
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It's not powerful enough to ensure something that improbable, no. I think I wrote a detailed discussion of that possibility earlier.

Ridiculously Average Guy said:
On the other hand:
Those rules (or at least the time one) were made during the course of the war, added in to the system due to how chaotic they made things.

Ody might very well have done the impossible to save his sister.
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Hmm...
 
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.

We should also exchange information on a reciprocal basis about the state of the Realm and Creation in general.
 
Also there is the question of whether by the time he became capable of fiddling with Reincarnation and Time Travel he would have been willing to expend effort for Nio. He'd be Heartlessness 10 by that point, and he had projects that required attention.
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
Also there is the question of whether by the time he became capable of fiddling with Reincarnation and Time Travel he would have been willing to expend effort for Nio.
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Yes.

Cavalier said:
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.

We should also exchange information on a reciprocal basis about the state of the Realm and Creation in general.
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Hm, they won't give you intelligence on stuff that resolves against their interests, so it'd only be on the Fair, really, since they don't feel threatened by the Deathlords.
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
Also there is the question of whether by the time he became capable of fiddling with Reincarnation and Time Travel he would have been willing to expend effort for Nio. He'd be Heartlessness 10 by that point, and he had projects that required attention.
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He could have meddled with Lethe back when he actually created Lethe, or any time before the end of the Primordial War when the modern cycle of reincarnation and strict causality were instituted in Creation.
 
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Tha[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
 
I'm wondering if someone else but Odyssial could have just grabbed Nio's soul and put it in storage somewhere, which would kind of bypass the crazy amounts of rule breaking Ody would have had to do once again.

In any case, I'm rather interested in the assassination, to a large degree because it's the only boon that guarantees significant amounts of exposure to the Infernal that has shown herself to be more likely to turn, but also because access to another very powerful Solaroid for a critical mission is seriously valuable.

Would the deal only apply to straight up assassinations or could it be finagled into applying to other stuff largely falling under the same skillset?
Not to say that we won't have enough difficult targets to assassinate for it to be worth it anyways, but that's probably something worth asking.
 
Rihaku said:
Yes.



Hm, they won't give you intelligence on stuff that resolves against their interests, so it'd only be on the Fair, really, since they don't feel threatened by the Deathlords.
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It's a start. If one of the Deathlords decides to actually go off and do the will of the Neverborn, well, their threat-level should rapidly increase. Only the Ebon Dragon and Oramus communed with the Neverborn, anyway, and SWLiHN despises the Underworld as counter to the natural order of Creation. And speaking of Wyld-spawned threats, doesn't the Handsome Monkey King pretty much top the threat-meter? Not that we know about it now, mind, but later...
 
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Ridiculously Average Guy said:
Ah, you're considering it. This tells me that she actually wasn't a viable reincarnation of Nio, but now might actually be. Thus, further muddying the waters.
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Nope, that interpretation is incorrect!

useofstrike32 said:
Tha[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.
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Will the vote counter work if "Tha[X]" is formatted that way?
Pipeman said:
I'm wondering if someone else but Odyssial could have just grabbed Nio's soul and put it in storage somewhere, which would kind of bypass the crazy amounts of rule breaking Ody would have had to do once again.

In any case, I'm rather interested in the assassination, to a large degree because it's the only boon that guarantees significant amounts of exposure to the Infernal that has shown herself to be more likely to turn, but also because access to another very powerful Solaroid for a critical mission is seriously valuable.

Would the deal only apply to straight up assassinations or could it be finagled into applying to other stuff largely falling under the same skillset?
Not to say that we won't have enough difficult targets to assassinate for it to be worth it anyways, but that's probably something worth asking.
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Odyssial doing it is far more believable than anyone else, though! He's already broken so many rules, what's one more!?
 
Cavalier said:
It's a start. If one of the Deathlords decides to actually go off and do the will of the Neverborn, well, their threat-level should rapidly increase. Only the Ebon Dragon and Oramus communed with the Neverborn, anyway, and SWLiHN despises the Underworld as counter to the natural order of Creation. And speaking of Wyld-spawned threats, doesn't the Handsome Monkey King pretty much top the threat-meter? Not that we know about it now, mind, but later...
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Hey, he's distinctly Creation-spawned! Well, Lea mostly has him contained indefinitely, though no one really knows for how much longer. But people don't really think about that threat anyway, he's just too powerful for anyone but plucky Exalt heroes or the Incarnae to fight directly.

Pipeman said:
True enough, but the thought of the Dragon's Shadow grabbing Nio's soul and stuffing it into a box labled "Dickmoves to pull against Odyssial" is kind of hilarious.
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As if he'd dare!
 
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.

I don't get why you guys want Limit Break, we'll lose control and since we're flashing our caste mark, good bye Disguise, we'll be revealed as Solar Anathema, the Civil War is delayed in favour of punishing Zao and his faction.


And then Anys Syn is going to be able to exploit Moon as bloodmare easily!!!
I guess.
 
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inawarminister said:
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Concession B: You will be able to tell select people who you trust (Zao, Pearl, Moon) about the Infernals.
-[X] Concession S: Ayala will agree to perform one Sorcerous Working for you, at a cost. Terrestrial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 3, you provide any needed materials. Celestial Workings of Ambition 2 or less can be performed for Resources 4, with the same conditions.
-[X] Reciprocal exchange of services: Assistance with assassinations on a one-to-one, unique services (Prophet of Seventeen Cycles/Sorcery), intelligence on threats to Creation.

I don't get why you guys want Limit Break, we'll lose control and since we're flashing our caste mark, good bye Disguise, we'll be revealed as Solar Anathema, the Civil War is delayed in favour of punishing Zao and his faction.


And then Anys Syn is going to be able to exploit Moon as bloodmare easily!!!
I guess.
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To be fair, Odyssial in Limit Break isn't less intelligent than normal. If anything, he's more. He's far more... in control, in a sense, than he ever is normally. While prised within the bars of this cage, the human mind.
 
inawarminister said:
I don't get why you guys want Limit Break, we'll lose control and since we're flashing our caste mark, good bye Disguise, we'll be revealed as Solar Anathema, the Civil War is delayed in favour of punishing Zao and his faction.
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Because plenty of people just wanted to kill them and aren't happy that negotiate won in the first place. Others apparently want to kill every Solaroid Sorcerer we come across because they think it'll help them argue for taking Sorcery.

Having taken the Negotiate route and laid the groundwork for a longer-term effort to secure their defection, we should accept our victory. And make use of the advantage of being able to trade favors with two fellow Solaroid Exalts who are extremely useful in important areas that Ulyssian either can't do right now or would otherwise have to prioritize doing and thus suffer an opportunity cost.
 
There's a benefit to going for the limit break option I hadn't considered. Actual hard information on what Ulyssian's limit break IS and what he's like while he's caught up in its throes. From a meta standpoint that's really useful info to have, and learning it at this juncture could be invaluable. Or it might not be, sorta depends on the nature of the Limit Break doesn't it?
 
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