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Yeah, I was talking about if he knew of our Anathema status. I'm actually not favourably inclined towards Hero until we get some brainwashing charms for exactly that reason.
I am pretty offended about the whole "Crush your limbs and inject you with lava" thing being just his casual demeanour in duels, but that's cultural. Still, if you can't stand the heat (and we're pretty casual with whom we're willing to stab, too; like, remember when we delimbed that guy).
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To feel absolutely no guilt about the act of killing him. To withdraw from the tournament, but remain in the vicinity to watch the other matches and approach Ayala after hers. There were some tactics for confronting them without intimidation before the whole remorse/war debacle.
Rihaku
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Let me rephrase: tactics that actually have a chance of happening, given the already won vote?
Why? It's not like their intentions are evil or even that they are deliberately ignoring evidence; they truly believe in the Immaculate Philosophy. Even Saery believes in it. Even YOU believed it until Zao told you otherwise. Moon believed it.
I don't think the lava thing is objectionable given the culture and world. It's not what we'd consider civilized, but Uly would be an utterly rank hypocrite for assigning even an iota of blame for something like that. It's not as if Uly would do any different than Polemgaos if he had Polemgaos' powers; he would probably be even more brutal as long as it was within the rules. Remember, Uly is the guy who won a duel by preying on his enemy's compassion for mortals to play dead and stab him in the gut.
That actually is kind of a dick move even here.
Why? It's not like their intentions are evil or even that they are deliberately ignoring evidence; they truly believe in the Immaculate Philosophy. Even Saery believes in it. Even YOU believed it until Zao told you otherwise. Moon believed it.
I don't think the lava thing is objectionable given the culture and world. It's not what we'd consider civilized, but Uly would be an utterly rank hypocrite for assigning even an iota of blame for something like that. It's not as if Uly would do any different than Polemgaos if he had Polemgaos' powers; he would probably be even more brutal as long as it was within the rules. Remember, Uly is the guy who won a duel by preying on his enemy's compassion for mortals to play dead and stab him in the gut.
That actually is kind of a dick move even here.
This is kind of my key point here:
Ulyssian can feel bad that his plan didn't work out.
He can feel bad that the strength of the Realm is lowered.
He can feel bad that his actions had unintended consequences.
He can feel bad that he wasn't powerful enough to defeat Polemgaos without going all-out.
He shouldn't feel bad about the death itself in a "Death is sad" way.
He shouldn't feel as if he made an error of judgement here. All of the reasoning that lead up to this was valid, and there aren't many lessons to learn other than "Assume people are weaker than research states." (I don't think that'll work well) or "Don't engage people in combat unless you wish to murder them." (That doesn't fit our play style considering we spared the Immaculate and people are voting to continue in the tournament).
That is my entire goal for this vote.
On that note:
I would find it hilarious if we killed someone else after publically apologising. It isn't likely to happen, as there aren't any people who are immortal left, and in general it isn't desirable. I'd would have voted to kill Polemgaos, and I would vote to kill Ayala, but in general our opponents in the tournament don't need to die.
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Rihaku
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I'm thinking Uly will initially be wary, anticipating Polemgaos using his resurrection Charm, and after several seconds pass he will strike the body in a crippling area to confirm actual death rather than playing possum, then immediately call for medical aid, expressing his genuine shock.
You're not continuing the tournament, Forebearance / Dropping out won with a pretty hefty margin.
You're not continuing the tournament, Forebearance / Dropping out won with a pretty hefty margin.
Because their actions would hurt us. This vote is about people making Uly feel bad for something that was in no way his intention yet still resulted in harm, so it's obviously an occuring phenomena; I just happen to tend towards protagonist centered morality.
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That's IC and enjoyable.
I feel dumb considering I voted for Forbearance (shows what posting at 3am does to you). Still, given that attending a non-lethal combat tournament won a vote, that assessment of the voterbase's tendency towards having people they're willing to fight but not kill is still valid.
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Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
The arguments aren't enough to cover a 6 vote lead then?
That sounds hilarious.
Wait, did Forebearance and Dropping out have their votes combined into one option, or did Forbearance win? Because Forbearance included taking Nilul and leaving the premises, instead of just not participating in later matches.
Rihaku
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47 anti-war vs 21 pro-war?
Can we not act like there were no arguments for the opposing side?
Rihaku
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An XP efficiency point for Strategos: working cost is reduced greatly once you get Solar Circle Sorcery, so for maximum efficiency you should buy all three Sorceries in one go before you attempt any workings! It's a significant reduction, too, Ambition 2 Celestial Workings go from 20,000 to 10,000 Solar XP each!
And buying all three Circles at once is cooler than buying just two.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Uly /pokes corpse with stick
Polemgaos /fails to get up and murder him
Uly: Medic!
I mean, considering we caved in his ribs and shattered his spine, you'd think Uly would realize Polemgaos wouldn't be getting back up. Polemgaos must be mostly cut in two, here.
Rihaku
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He doesn't know the details of how the 'resurrection' works. Ma-Ha-Suchi speared Polemgaos through the heart, after all, and yet it failed to take...
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
I was under the impression that Guile's write-in was pro-war making it 31-37, still if not then that is pretty insurmountable.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Aaand I'm wavering again. If we still have a chance of getting Sorcery later, and in one go... Fine. Changing my vote the final time:
[X] The Strategos
And I'm out of this thread, hopefully till the next update so that I don't have to agonize myself about WHICH SHINY TO CHOOSE over and over again.
[X] The Strategos
And I'm out of this thread, hopefully till the next update so that I don't have to agonize myself about WHICH SHINY TO CHOOSE over and over again.
Rihaku
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We have a pretty close vote here for capabilities, though I think both are incredibly potent in war or in peace. Do you guys have any ideas as to what you want to do after leaving the tournament, though? I have some, but it's always nice for the character to have plans, and some might even go through!
Guile
Having a really great time right now
No, not really, though some of the Remorse voters preferred to characterize it that way.
Well, I still want to do as Darklight140 suggested and request a later meeting with the Infernal pair. That'll give us time to exit like a boss, get Nilul safely stashed away, and work out with Zao exactly what to do
We did still misjudge Polemgaos's strength as greater than Cathak Polemgaos's full strength. And then killed him by fighting that Polemgaos instead of the one we had.
Then we're going to have to confer with the heads of the Zao Faction,
We may need to take comfort from Empty Moon, cry into her bosom or some such. Secretly, of course.
I suppose the question is are we going to have more then enough exp for the solar circle workings or are we not and should therefor go with the strategos.
Rihaku
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You need to hit E5 first, and also either have five months free to spend meditating or a truly epic task to perform. The XP is a consideration, but it may not even be the most relevant one.
Well, I was mostly talking about your prospects after you graduate. Taking a satrapy with Cathak as your sworn enemy means you're invariably going to be assigned to a shit or difficult post, unless you scrounge up some major influence. If Cathak hates you enough to act against their own interests just to ruin you, that is a major problem. In that light, do you guys still want to go with a satrapal posting, or would you prefer more imminent power seized through drastic action?
Well, I was mostly talking about your prospects after you graduate. Taking a satrapy with Cathak as your sworn enemy means you're invariably going to be assigned to a shit or difficult post, unless you scrounge up some major influence. If Cathak hates you enough to act against their own interests just to ruin you, that is a major problem. In that light, do you guys still want to go with a satrapal posting, or would you prefer more imminent power seized through drastic action?
Aren't we kind of shit at being an Admiral though?
Can we use this to justify a return to Wanderer or something similar?
We did kind of just deprive the Realm of one of its greatest defenders and respond by a public show of massive remorse. Some kind of "atonement" journey may be in order, though the question is if it'd be that effective.
The basic idea would be to semi-publicly murderhobo our way through Creation and slaughter the shit out of visible threats to the Realm until we return "wiser and less headstrong" for the experience and of course with a boatload of Odyssial's old goodies that we picked up during our time as a murderhobo.
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