[Exalted, ?] Most High

[X] "I meant to do that"
[X] Counter-Infiltration
[X] The Sorcerer

Prophet of Seventeen Cycles is broken, but somewhat confining. With the necessary preparations for its usage, we won't be able to spam it to control every single development, as seems to be the general impression. Sorcery offers so much flexibilty. Summoner, buffer, spy master, crowd control speels, massive AoE damage, freagin' teleportation. Open up possibilities.

Control spells wise, Infalliable Messenger + Travel Without Distance for maximum utility. Invulnerable Skin of Bronze for much needed personal defensive capabilities and Magma Kraken sounds like it will come in handy too.
 

Prophet of Seventeen Cycles is broken, but somewhat confining. With the necessary preparations for its usage, we won't be able to spam it to control every single development, as seems to be the general impression. Sorcery offers so much flexibilty. Summoner, buffer, spy master, crowd control speels, massive AoE damage, freagin' teleportation. Open up possibilities.

Control spells wise, Infalliable Messenger + Travel Without Distance for maximum utility. Invulnerable Skin of Bronze for much needed personal defensive capabilities and Magma Kraken sounds like it will come in handy too.
All that flexibility comes with XP cost. Spells cost 50k XP each, and while Workings are probably going to be cheaper, they are going to take more time to pull off.
 
On why we should get Sorcery over Strategos:
-Faster
-Strong but not obviously Solar effects
-We're already pretty much Batman. Taking Strategos make Uly what he is, but more. Taking Sorcery gives his options he's never had before. In a sea of Dragon Bloods, I would argue that Uly is already strong enough that he would be better serve 'multi-classing' than just plain 'leveling-up'.
 
Subverting a brilliant Sorceror from the Yozis under the eyes of Heaven?
Hell yeah!!!
Vote for the write-in, I guess.

You still doing it, right, @Cavalier?

The write-in was for a combination of "I meant to do that" and "Counter Infiltration." Though lol, I mistook Fei Ling for a dude. I might go back and expand on the confrontation with her and Ayala if I have time tomorrow, but that last write-in was churned out in a real hurry. Making Ayala an offer she can't refuse seems to be the mechanically optimal means of persuasion but I may need to think of some less blunt means of approach than "Hi Yozispawn, I'm Odyssial, and I'm going to murder you if I don't like your answers to my questions."

Especially since Remorse looks like it'll probably win. Oh well. It's not that bad if people would stop using the wrong argument for it, and come up with what they want to do instead of the Realm Civil War.
 
Sorcery is not necessary faster than Strategos. Both their strategic level effects, workings and prophet, take some prep time to put to use, depending on our rolls. However, workings take a minimum of a week, while prophet can be done within a day, thought that is somewhat unlikely for all circumstances.

As for subtly, I would argue that Celestial Circle Sorcery is more obviously anathema than Strategos, since most of the non prophet stuff is just merely dice adders, while CCS is obviously not something that can be done by TCS.

Sorcery does have more utility if we are willing to spend the XP on it, but I think spending it on evocations would be more useful.
 
Is the vote still one? If so...

[X] Demonstrate Massive and Total Remorse
[X] Withdraw from the Tournament.


Firstly because a) we genuinely feel remorse over killing an opponent in what should have been a non-lethal match, and b) it's far too early for a civil war. I believe that causing a civil war this early would be an utter disaster for the Realm and Creation.

Whatever minor advantage pretending we did this on purpose would give us, it would be insignificant compared to what we'd loose by being thrown into that mess while were not yet prepared. And we aren't. Not yet. You want a spectacular opening for the civil war to come? We can simply manufacture one at a time of our choosing, rather than be swept along with absolutely no control over the situation by a frigging accident.
Except that we really can't.
There's only a single Polemgaos in the Realm and noone but Zao and Big Red could be said to be his superior in combat.
Chances to give a similarly intimidating showing of martial prowess will be unbelievably hard to come by and will almost certainly not benefit from being nearly as public, blatant and undeniable, regardless of whether future feats of ours should technically be more impressive.
Not to mention that as Uly becomes a known quantity anything he accomplishes becomes a lot less shocking. Zao's apprentice, who's reveal came out of nowhere and whose existence people weren't aware of before then absolutely slaughtering the third strongest DB in Realm history, a veritable living legend, in his absolutely first public showing has the potential to have an unbelievable effect on any onlookers.
Even beyond the sheer shock value that we'll never get again, people will be incredibly anxious when they think abut what else Zao could have up his sleeves, because noone saw any of this coming or even saw coming that Zao was planning to make a move at all, so obviously Zao must have absolutely demolished al their attemtpts to gain intel on him.

Meanwhile, showing remorse publicly admits to our faults which you can be sure the Siddies will make sure to attach to our rep with superglue, doesn't gain Zao any momentum to speak of and gains us an incredibly powerful enemy in the form of the Great House with the greatets military of them all who will make sure to oppose every single move we make from now on with as much force as they can.
Even ignoring legal pursuits and direct assassination attempts, that's a lot of politcal power opposing us from now on and if they really want to fuck us over, which of course they do and the Siddies will ensure they continue to do, they can always fall back on promising someone the Cathak legions if they just help fuck us over, which isn't really an offer we can hope to match. Hell, stuff like that could very well see us finally disinherited, whereas kicking off the war now would pretty much ensure Sesus jumps into bed with Zao's faction.

Given all of that stuff and that this stunt will move us higher up on the list of targets to assassinate that all the factions hostile to the Realm have which will take attentiont to ward off, it is very questionable to claim that we can in fact make up for this blunder and gain momentum equivalent to the one we'd get from kicking off the war now and it's basically a certainty that if we do manage to make up for it quite some time will have passed, which is time not spent on using the Realm's resources to oppose the actual threats to creation, time for our enemies to advance their schemes and time for more and more of Creation to be irrecoverably lost to all the threats currently out there.
 
[X] Demonstrate Massive and Total Remorse
[X] Withdraw from the Tournament.
[X] Sorecery

Since we're likely going this route. We need to think on what to do next. We really should talk to Zao about learning there are Infernals here and plan our next move from there. There us going to be shockwaves from this incident both good and bad so we need to be ready for whatever may happen. Starting up plans for when the Civil War happens is a good idea. I would also like to see how everyone reacts to what just happened first so we can gauge exactly who we should go talk to and who we should avoid.

We only have like a month left at the Academy and after that it's our Satrapy posting if this shit didn't just butterfly that away. What do we do in that time?

Train? Spend time with our friends since we're not likely to see them for awhile?

Can't really decide on what to do next until we get more facts with the next update.
 
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Don't underestimate Sorcery, guys. You're not limited to one 2CD-level entity a month; with the proper materials and XP willingness, you can simply manufacture far more loyal 2CD-equivalent entities 1.5 - 2 times a month! Now that's power, in war or peace.
 
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Again why does remorse make us look weak?

"Oh sorry I didn't mean to completely curb stomp him like that. I had assumed his immortality would protect him so I didn't hold back as much as I should have."

It doesn't take away from the fact we just killed Polemgaos without a single scratch on us. That is still a fear and awe inspiring feat. We were victims of the hype. Can't really blame us for that especially since the remorse will be real. People are still going to be pissed of course but less than if we were like "yep totally intended that."

How are they going to spin us showing actual remorse for our actions. Anyone who pays attention to us should know we're terrible at social stuff for an Exalt so it could be misconstrued as fake. Plus this just makes their claims seem even more ridiculous,

Remember one of the reasons we fight that Immaculate brotherhood was to lessen the suspicion of us being Anathema. After all it had only been 5 days since we had exalted and we stomped a group that could take on an entire solar circle. It made no sense that we could grow that powerful in only a few days. Hell we even spared Syryns to help further cement we weren't Anathema by showing mercy.

This is that situation magnified. An anthema whose only and his powers for a few months defeating one of the strongest Dragonblooded in the Realm as easily as he did that perfected Brotherhood!?

No one who doesn't know the truth or is just loyal to the Immacualte order words is going to believe we're Anathema now and not just Zao's secret apprentice.

Our growth rate is just that unbelievable.(Hell I'm having some trouble believing it). Polemgaos before he died assumed we were actually Zao's son which would explain why he kept us a secret and our power. I wouldn't be surprised if that's going to be the leading theory for why we're so powerful. The scrutiny on us just went down alot.

If we show actual remorse then that will only cement it even more. An Anathema showing remorse for killing off one of the Realm's strongest instead of saying he did it on purporse? Unthinkable.

Whereas if we go, "yeah I planned out killing one of the realm's strongest heroes" and start the Civil War we're just going to give the Sids plenty of ammo.

"Look he admitted to intentionally killing one of his potential greatest threats and threw the Realm into a civil War which is weakening it and giving it's enemies a chance to attack while we're distracted."

That shit looks real damning.
 
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Again why does remorse make us look weak?

"Oh sorry I didn't mean to completely curb stomp him like that. I had assumed his immortality would protect him so I didn't hold back as much as I should have."
That was the write-in option (designed to cut down all the remorse) which lost. Complete and utter remorse means complete and utter remorse, not that "weak compromise vote" (as those against the write-in put it).
 
Working on the reaction to the last chapter right now, but it's slow going.
Didn't sleep as much as I hsould have this week and fight scenes are hard for me to write a meaningful reaction, too.

So instead, I'm going to take a break and try to come up with reasons to take Sorcery even though I'm actually just in favor of it because I think it'd be more fun.

[X] Sorcery
 
All that flexibility comes with XP cost. Spells cost 50k XP each, and while Workings are probably going to be cheaper, they are going to take more time to pull off.
Good synergy with an XP factory like a Civil War.

Sorcery is not necessary faster than Strategos. Both their strategic level effects, workings and prophet, take some prep time to put to use, depending on our rolls.
But the difference is, unlike Strategos, Sorcery also has greater tactical value.
 
How would Uly even learn Celestial-tier sorcery in a month? Hire a Terrestrial sorcerer to teach him and derive the rest from first principles?

Most of this stuff we do is fluffed as regaining Odyssial's prowess through training, but Odyssial never knew sorcery.
 
How would Uly even learn Celestial-tier sorcery in a month? Hire a Terrestrial sorcerer to teach him and derive the rest from first principles?

Most of this stuff we do is fluffed as regaining Odyssial's prowess through training, but Odyssial never knew sorcery.

Just as Po17C is reawakening the mind of the Lord Strategos, Sorceror of the Celestial Circle would reawaken Odyssial's ability to bludgeon reality into terrified obedience. Or you could learn it from Ivory and then work with her and Moon to upgrade, yeah. Whichever you prefer, really.
 
Right, I've come up with an argument that is absolutely irrefutable.
Sorcery ultimately makes the creation of 3CD equivalents possible.
That means Sesus Ulyssian gets to create peopleish things.

This will either result in beings just as messed up as he is, which on top of likely being incredibly useful, should result in everyone around him either being incredibly exasperated with him for creating people that messed up or being incredibly annoyed at him whenever circumstances forced them to spend much time with too many beings similar to Uly, either of which is obviously hilarious.
Or they will be less messed up than Uly which results in even more people that get to be incredibly exasperated with him whenever Uly does something uniquely Uly only they also get to despair at the fact that this guy was the one to create them.
Come on guys, it's gonna be great.


Seriously though, I feel that Sorcery, on top of being generally very useful and of unmatched utility in unexpected situations, gives access to a multitude of unique and interesting effects that would be an incredible shame to miss out on and we are rather likely to never get access to to nearly the same degree if we don't take it now.
It's rather questionable that we'll actually get Sorcery at the next and very last opportunity to do so, if we don't get it now, since there are always a lot of very tempting and competing options and Sorcery losing for the second time is likely to hurt a lot of the enthusiasm for it that managed to survive the first loss.

And similarly recruiting some Solaroid Sorcerer is neither that realistic nor a true replacement.
Others don't have access to the insane XP factory that Uly does and that's not even going into how much of an issue it would be to get a freaking Solaroid to take care of all your sorcerous needs for you, especially if the Solaroid in question has to be competent enough to satisfy Uly's demands, which when compounded with the difficulty of actually finding a Solaroid Sorceror with the right character and goals to make an alliance possible in the first place makes the whole thing a rather poor alternative to learning sorcery yourself.
 
Just as Po17C is reawakening the mind of the Lord Strategos, Sorceror of the Celestial Circle would reawaken Odyssial's ability to bludgeon reality into terrified obedience. Or you could learn it from Ivory and then work with her and Moon to upgrade, yeah. Whichever you prefer, really.
I kinda like that first one.

"Uly, that's not... is that even sorcery? It looks sort of like sorcery, but..."
"I think the important thing here is, I feed XP into the machine and the world does what I want."
 
I kinda like that first one.

"Uly, that's not... is that even sorcery? It looks sort of like sorcery, but..."
"I think the important thing here is, I feed XP into the machine and the world does what I want."
Shaping Ritual: Odyssial must remain motionless to gather Sorcerous Motes. His Shaping roll is supplemented by his Intimidation as he crosses his arms, taps his foot impatiently and glares disapprovingly at reality.
 
Making 3CD would require us to have Solar Circle Sorcery, which which probably arent getting any time soon. By the time we can have SCS, we probably also have God King's Strike.
 
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