Rihaku
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Solar Dragon partying? Now that I can get behind.
Are you rly Saeing that?
Hm. Looks like Raw Power is being underestimated by SV.
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Solar Dragon partying? Now that I can get behind.
Are you rly Saeing that?
Hm. Looks like Raw Power is being underestimated by SV.
Indeed. But we can at least take comfort in the fact that, on this issue, we fight together once more!
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[X] With the help of Nilul
[X] With the help of Nilul
She's a bit too unconscious to give her our sword, man
You have no idea of the "Oh damn." that occurred when I realised I had to argue against you and Alectai.
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I would like to reiterate my point that we have been warned numerous times that we are running critically low on XP. This comes at a juncture where we have learned that our present duties involve saving Creation and fighting literal ancient god-monsters who have slain other, bigger, god-monsters, god-monsters who have literally created Creation. There are always other opportunities to go to Nilul's parties and have your shenanigans there. Meanwhile as stated, we are lacking for XP (and Raw Power offers 40% of what would be needed to get to Essence 3!) and we are at a critical point in our relationship with Moon. Despite the fact that some don't care about her, it's well-established that she is our closest friend and I'd like to be there when she is informed that we are a fucking Anathema.
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We didn't mention it to Zao, though. I suppose the "Ask if she wants the sword" could have won.
inawarminister
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Indeed, we need to retrace the path of Odyssial.
7 > 4, no?
Now, yes, but an optimised Nilul is going to have a MUCH higher ceiling than Moon, if only of her access to CMA and, uh, Celestial Sorcery.
And she managed to run off from Hell, disguised herself as a Dynast, and find Zao's help by herself! Or was it a Bronze Faction plan? ... No, it seems Syn didn't know of her.
At any rate, don't disregard Nilul. Ebon Dragon begets Sol for a reason.
I would argue that it is grossly out of character to forgo valuable training and Moon to pursue parties, of all things. He has recently Exalted. All the limits that plagued him, gone. He has what he has literally always wanted. The discussions with Zao and Pearl kept him from truly flexing his powers, but now... he can. How can we possibly pass up something like this for mere lulz? There will be time for laughter, time for camaraderie, and for sorrow, and all the other aspects of Dynastic life. But now, now is the time to climb. To pursue glorious perfection beyond even what could be found at Qaf's summit. The quest for power is perhaps Ulyssian's defining trait, and if not his then it certainly was Odyssial's. How can we pass this up?
Van Ropen
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We managed to persuade Zao without doing so, so we did. Actually giving it to her if we want to would be a future thing I guess.
To be fair, the original point isn't just the shenanigans.
And... you think the path of Odyssial is parties? Harems? Such frivolity is hardly his defining attribute: Odyssial sought perfection. First for himself, and then for the world around him.
Power and love, or empty revelry. Choose. For me, the choice is beyond clear.
SirLagginton
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The Sesus are very unlikely to just burn down their bridges with Zao's heir. If anything, they'll be seeking us out to mend their bridges on their part.
Rihaku
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Moon would probably just defend. That's the problem with a mechanical system that contains overwhelmingly brutal social attacks and perfect social defenses that can just utterly ignore them.
Please, you think these softies can amuse her? Lea has standards. First Age standards.
Just hope it doesn't sink under its own massed structure!
Eh, you win some and you lose some. I don't think the situation is nearly as bad as you make it out to be, everyone loses. You won on keeping Ambition.
Of course! The faction that wanted to give Ambition away prioritized telling the truth. The faction wanted to say you were a DB prioritized not giving away Ambition.
Body shots and snorting celestial cocaine of smoking hot (literally) FIre Aspects. Uly's dream.
True, and I would be more receptive to such arguments had we focused on the social route. As it is, any connections forged here will drown in the whirlpool of Dynastic society, as these brief few nights fade into a blur of memory amidst many such instances of drunken revelry.
The power that we seize here? The bond we forge with Moon? These things are permanent. They do not wither.
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Da Boyz
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Which is why she'd spring it on Moon at some celebration after a battle where she'd exhausted herself, after all a long chat with her friend Nilul is hardly untoward. I just want everyone to remember that we're dealing with the daughter of The Ebon Dragon here, for all that she's our friend.
Van Ropen
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I'm getting the impression that they can't, as we apparently betrayed the family and then publicly snubbed them.
She's both our friend and Moon's. Just because she's the Dragon's daughter doesn't mean she's out to sabotage all our good works. We know her secret and have the potential to be a powerful ally, so what's the point in attacking our closest friend? It just makes her unneeded enemies, so even if she was an amoral pragmatist she still wouldn't do it. Ulyssian is loyal to his friends, so being one is good for her. A simple calculation.
Speaking of being loyal to our friends, we absolutely should be there for Moon when she wakes up. Compared to being willing to tank Consuming Might of the Fire Dragon it's a small thing, yet it will mean the world to her. And that, I think, is all the justification Ulyssian would need.
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meianmaru
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Okay. In that case, Power and Security winning was a good thing from my perspective, even if I voted for Connections. Zao might have not been convinced otherwise, right?
SirLagginton
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Publicly snubbed them perhaps, but outright betrayal is a much more extreme claim. All we have to do is inform them is that Zao wanted to talk to us about our "mistake" in the Coliseum. As long as our alibi is plausible and we appear to be sufficiently conciliatory then we should have no problems getting back into our family's good graces.
inawarminister
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Nope, I mean his utilisation of every assets that he have, every potential allies that he can get, stuffs. He became the Lord Strategos after all.
If we keep Nilul from being alienated by our actions, then we'll have an ally that is specced to social and intrigue in a different way from the Sidereals (Pearl/Ivory) and can give us access to Malfeas AND smack the Reclamation, ANOTHER Threat to Creation. Not to it's existence, thankfully, but 100 % unacceptable to Odyssial-that-was, if I analysed his character properly.
That's my argument. I don't like hedonism at all. But we need to stay friendly with Nilul.
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It is literally in her blood to do so.
Which makes my vote clear.
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Rihaku
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To be fair, you have enough XP for E3 already, you just need training time. But yes, you should be on the lookout for more XP, be it in the form of fanworks or otherwise.
Not necessarily, Moon has E7 Charms at E5, and she can use CMA without issue. Also, and much more important, Moon actually has combat has a focus.
That is 2E canon, which doesn't apply here.
Man, you've surely seen the ludicrous 2E perfect social defenses. You know that something like mere exhaustion will do almost nothing to stop them.
Da Boyz
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Oh certainly if Nilul actually turned on us I'd be very surprised, especially if she ever finds out who our past life is. I'm just imagining the chaos in thread that could result from a Memory Poison Mastery wielding Nilul could bring.
We still have no idea what the DB's have for them though, given that the Sidereals have managed to give them the runaround for millennia now (with the not inconsiderable aid granted by the Mask being broken) I imagine they aren't quite as ludicrous as Solar ones.
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