[Exalted, ?] Most High

How high? I know nothing about evocations that hasn't already come up in the thread. I know that they're incredibly relevant to Ulyssian's eventual combat power, but I know jack squat about the requirements for them. Also, given the more stringent requirements for higher level Essence this seems to be an important point.
The Adamant Evocations of the sample artifacts of the leak require at least Essence 3, though some Artifacts (usually ones that only had few Evocations overall and therefor not much room for granularity) had only Essence 4 Adamant Evocations.
That said, this training point might just get us into early Essence 3 and since we could acquire even more XP over further updates there's an argument to be made that the difference between Ambition and even an Artifact 5 will quickly become relevant.
 
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Now, I know this is going to sound crazy, but maybe, after spending months getting good at talking, we could try talking to him?
Hmm... I'm not sure how viable that would be if we intend to make the most of this charade. Yurgen Kaneko is essentially the bogeyman for the Realm, the first name to spring to mind when the looming Anathema threat is brought up, and is frequently mentioned in the same breath as the Mask of Winters.

In any case, Guile's comment was an argument against Swift Deployment, not Connections or Power & Security. The main benefit of Connections as it relates to the Bull, however, would be having an army at our back if we go to take him to task, not being more capable at negotiation. You don't negotiate with the Anathema; that's heresy!
 
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Too late! We now quiver in illogical fear, huddling together like frightened hedgehogs.

We dare do nothing except train forever, clutching our sword to our chest lest it be wrested away the moment our back is turned. We suspect a Sidereal in every teacup, an assassin in every closet, and every mortal king is secretly the Mask of Winters. We cannot take comfort in our friends, for we have driven them from us in abject terror, both for and of them. How could we do otherwise, when they could be used against us both knowingly and unknowingly? We cannot partake of our mentor's wisdom, for we know that he covets the sword with which he could remake the world anew, and seeks our death. We cannot gain succor amongst our family, for they would slay us if they knew what lies at the heart of us.

Oh, already? That's great! I had wanted to drag it out longer, but it's always good to know when one's doing a good job.
 
Hmm... I'm not sure how viable that would be if we intend to make the most of this charade. Yurgen Kaneko is essentially the bogeyman for the Realm, the first name to spring to mind when the looming Anathema threat is brought up, and is frequently mentioned in the same breath as the Mask of Winters.

In any case, Guile's comment was an argument against Swift Deployment, not Connections or Power & Security. The main benefit of Connections as it relates to the Bull, however, would be having an army at our back if we go to take him to task, not being more capable at negotiation. You don't negotiate with the Anathema; that's heresy!
Well, I was mostly being facetious, as I'm at work on my phone so unable to reapond to the thread in detail.

But from a Connections PoV, the best use of thr Bull would be a secret agreement to work together against mutual oponents. Giving him aid under the table to hit yozi/fair folk invaders (should something of that nature manifest), throwing a Realm political opponent under a bus (should manufacturing our own Publius Quinctilius Varus be desirable, and worth the cost) and so on.
 
Well, I was mostly being facetious, as I'm at work on my phone so unable to reapond to the thread in detail.

But from a Connections PoV, the best use of thr Bull would be a secret agreement to work together against mutual oponents. Giving him aid under the table to hit yozi/fair folk invaders (should something of that nature manifest), throwing a Realm political opponent under a bus (should manufacturing our own Publius Quinctilius Varus be desirable, and worth the cost)
Well, I'm pretty sure we could use less high profile Solars just as well for the pruposes of directing them against larger threats and letting them kill political enemies.
There's an argument to be made for just killing the Bull ourselves due to the massive prestige benefits it's bring.
 
But from a Connections PoV, the best use of thr Bull would be a secret agreement to work together against mutual oponents. Giving him aid under the table to hit yozi/fair folk invaders (should something of that nature manifest), throwing a Realm political opponent under a bus (should manufacturing our own Publius Quinctilius Varus be desirable, and worth the cost)
That could work, although we really ought to be careful about not accumulating too many blasphemous secrets when the revelation of even one would unravel everything that we've built. The more we weaken the Realm, the less useful it is to us. Besides, the Bull is the next best thing to Giga-Satan for the average Dynastic citizen, hated and feared to the point that killing him would give us enormous prestige. It'd bring Tepet Arada (who is basically Zao, except younger, less powerful, and less curmudgeonly) and possibly even a significant portion of House Tepet into our camp.
 
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Now, I know this is going to sound crazy, but maybe, after spending months getting good at talking, we could try talking to him?

Not if you spend all your XP on becoming hard to convince!

Hmm... I'm not sure how viable that would be if we intend to make the most of this charade. Yurgen Kaneko is essentially the bogeyman for the Realm, the first name to spring to mind when the looming Anathema threat is brought up, and is frequently mentioned in the same breath as the Mask of Winters.

In any case, Guile's comment was an argument against Swift Deployment, not Connections or Power & Security. The main benefit of Connections as it relates to the Bull, however, would be having an army at our back if we go to take him to task, not being more capable at negotiation. You don't negotiate with the Anathema; that's heresy!

The Bull, in reality, poses nowhere near the threat of the Mask of Winters; you could probably slaughter the Bull easily in a 1v1, all you have to do is slip past his allies. And so could any assassin of your skill.
 
That could work, although we really ought to be careful about not accumulating too many blasphemous secrets when the revelation of even one would unravel everything that we've built. The more we weaken the Realm, the less useful it is to us. Besides, the Bull is the next best thing to Giga-Satan for the average Dynastic citizen, hated and feared to the point that killing him would give us enormous prestige. It'd bring Tepet Arada (who is basically Zao, except younger, less powerful, and less curmudgeonly) and possibly even a significant portion of House Tepet into our camp.

Then we might have to deal with them trying to set up a contract with Nilul and we get yet another potential waifu/mistress for Lea to tease us about/seduce :p
 
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622 words of some improbable training time.


Draw, point, release. Draw, point, release. The metronome like rhythm of Ivory shots had an hypnotic quality. At least memories of Pearl's own marksmanship let him think so. Since he was presently dodging them, the effect was a little lost on him. At first he had opposed the scything arc of his sword to their flights. Even the erratic path of her arrows, they who had the tendency to follow their targets, turn in midair or ricochet from one another at improbable angles, had not managed breach his interdiction field.

That was till Zao decided to tear him to ribbons via giant galls of cutting winds. Which he then set on fire.

Being a standing target had not been possible then, and while predicting Ivory stayed feasible according to the old patterns he recognized in her moves, the Headmaster proved to be a much more difficult foe. Not so much to predict but to analyse, the fact that he tended to surge toward Ulyssian upon pillars of billowing flames was distracting.

That was without mentioning the times he actually had to confront the man at melee range.
Only the echo of a swordsmanship beyond compare let him oppose any type of resistance to the man, the first few exchanges they had resulted in a broken arm for him and a new scar upon Zao's brow. Hardly a fair exchange.

Still no matter how many time he ended up in a heap of broken bones, Numdida arts launched him on his feets at impressive speeds. Even when Zao's upped the odds, his bones breaking strikes growing so much in strength that any body-blows left him with internal damages.
Coughing blood after strenuous hours of training was nothing new to him, having his organs pulped then reshaped was...a novel experience.
Still, it was not without its rewards.

Leaving Ivory buried in a wall or incinerating more than Zao's clothes-the sight of his burned arm had been oddly enjoyable- was cathartic.
Of course that, had led to his present situation.

Stretching his head slightly, Ulyssian surveyed the solidified soil in which he was buried to the neck. Ordinarily, this wouldn't be a problem. Only, the absence of most of his right arm, left dangling from a nearby branch was proving to be a considerable hindrance. Well, he could have punched through the barrier with the other, if this was hadn't be shattered. The best he could say about his situation was that he had the time to cauterize the stump of his arm before he bled out. Apparently, using a daiklave with his teeth wasn't beyond me. The thing were ridiculously big tough, he wouldn't guessed the strength of his jaw to be up to the task. Apparently stress did wonder.

Still it wouldn't do to stay here any longer without doing anything, training time wasn't infinite. Closing his eyes and reclining his head on the hard earth, Ulyssian directed his focus inside, toward something he had only recently reacquainted himself with. If he could reach it now...
The sudden bulk of something much more solid than the hardened substance caging him settling on his body in a snug fit broke the grip the rock had on him. A quick use of the liberated space left him standing upon the edge of the hole he had been buried in.

A sigh escaped his lips when a thunderbolt impacted his newly armored form and launched him the air. Absently guiding his flight away from the rain of arrows that followed, he congratulated his past self on his armor choice.
When he landed near a colossal tree and his figure appeared to dissolve in the shadow it cast, he felt like applauding.
That would have to wait.
 
Then we might have to deal with them trying to set up a contract with Nilul and we get yet another potential waifu/mistress for Lea to tease us about/seduce :p
Nilul's an odd case. She's not a real Tepet, that much is for sure; I think she just used some Ebon Dragon Charms to insinuate herself into one of their branches.
The Bull, in reality, poses nowhere near the threat of the Mask of Winters; you could probably slaughter the Bull easily in a 1v1, all you have to do is slip past his allies. And so could any assassin of your skill.
That just makes him a more attractive stepping stone to use in the process of building our reputation. Hard to take credit for assassinations, though.
 
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Guess we don't want to be somebody after all, a pity.

[X] Develop Connections

We don't have near enough xp to spend all the time being used in Security effectively, plus it sounds super dull, so Ulyssian, Party Animal, shall arise from the ashes of the dream that was Ulyssian, Hero of the People.

[X]Retain Ambition

Just reiterating this for the vote counter.
 
Nilul's an odd case. She's not a real Tepet, that much is for sure; I think she just used some Ebon Dragon Charms to insinuate herself into one of their branches.

Exactly! awkwardness and hilarity would ensue when she has to try and keep her cover from being blown (while not getting zapped by a jealous Moon) :D
 
That just makes him a more attractive stepping stone to use in the process of building our reputation. Hard to take credit for assassinations, though.
Well, if we take his head with us and present it openly, it's going to be hard for anyone else to claim they did it and if we're the DB with the most legitimate claim to having killed him that's already a win.
The real difficulty would probably be to make a two decade year old DB soloing a fearsome Anathema not suspicious as fuck.
 
I was just reminding people that Moon is her own person not a drone that does whatever we plan for her. So we should treat her like a person and get her opinion on such matters. It's more likely to make her happier with us in the long run.

Well, there is something of a conundrum here. If you think something is a good plan, she's much more likely to go along with it no matter her prior feelings.

*Orihime Flashbacks*

Only this time we don't get the benefit of personal power out of playing on our friend's good nature.

You don't?

The Wyld Hunt worked when backed up with the full support of the Bronze Faction, a unified Realm with literally nothing more pressing than hunting down Solars, and only a dozen or so Solar Exaltations in existence to worry about. The addition of ~134 Solars, 101 Abyssals, and 50 Infernals (if those numbers even remain constant in 3E) is a major increase in their targets. And it's still going to take the Realm years to sort itself out beyond just mobilizing to defend itself against the Reclamation assuming we are lucky/good enough to avoid a civil war. By that time all those Solars are going to be pretty puissant indeed, and if Ulyssian has unified them and has the Lunars and Sidereals supporting him... well, the odds were a lot worse during the Usurpation.

And Ambition's compulsion is to work toward Ulyssian's benefit. Mind, I half-fear that might be "set Zao up to build an empire and then job to Ulyssian so he can take it over." Though, yeah, admittedly, I did consider that angle. I just think there are too many threats requiring Solars to deal with for the Dragonblooded to be able to stab them in the back.

There was a surprisingly strong lobby for the Zao Ambition option, despite its risks. But it doesn't look like things are going to go that way now. You guys do like giving Ambition away, or at least some of you do.

Regarding the Wyld Hunt, while it's less efficient than before, it still works pretty well. It did have to deal with 400+ Lunars before, after all, so it's not scaling up an order of magnitude in workload. That said, as the Realm's influence continues to decay and DBs die, it will become increasingly desperate... Perhaps for a victory at home, a public execution of a mighty Anathema that would demonstrate to the impious the tremendous need for its services.
 
Well, I'm pretty sure we could use less high profile Solars just as well for the pruposes of directing them against larger threats and letting them kill political enemies.
There's an argument to be made for just killing the Bull ourselves due to the massive prestige benefits it's bring.
That could work, although we really ought to be careful about not accumulating too many blasphemous secrets when the revelation of even one would unravel everything that we've built. The more we weaken the Realm, the less useful it is to us. Besides, the Bull is the next best thing to Giga-Satan for the average Dynastic citizen, hated and feared to the point that killing him would give us enormous prestige. It'd bring Tepet Arada (who is basically Zao, except younger, less powerful, and less curmudgeonly) and possibly even a significant portion of House Tepet into our camp.
Oh, certainly. But that doesn't mean we can't get some use out of him, or another hypothetical solar, first. I imagine much of the time, a socially focused Uly is weighing the benefits of turning on someone vs future benefits of cooperation. People can outlive their usefulness, after all.

Odyssial could have come away from the usurpation with an appreciation of the value in being trusted, then betraying that trust at a critical moment, I suspect.
 
Switching my vote (again) after thinking about things (again). The Dynast game sounds just so interesting. And its not like we wouldn't be still training, even if our effort is spread out somewhat. Also, training montage omake still incoming, so that I can do my part to contribute to the XP gods. Maybe, maybe a party animal -Ulyssian omake in addition of that.

[X] Tell the Truth and give the Sword
[X] Develop connections
 
Well, if we take his head with us and present it openly, it's going to be hard for anyone else to claim they did it and if we're the DB with the most legitimate claim to having killed him that's already a win.
The real difficulty would probably be to make a two decade year old DB soloing a fearsome Anathema not suspicious as fuck.
It's not as if it would be impossible, even for a legitimately Dragon-Blooded Ulyssian. We assassinated Terrestrials as a mortal; who's to say we couldn't do the same to Solars as a Terrestrial? Same game, just for higher stakes... but you're right that people would find it suspicious. It's a monumental enough feat that they'd probably look past it, though.

Anyway, there is one benefit to Power & Security that hasn't been touched on. A perk so unlikely and absolutely unreachable that I hardly dared to dream it was even possible. The ultimate pie in the sky, reigning triumphant over all other advantages: ensuring that Zao lives. Kicking both reason and genre conventions to the curb... can there be any feat more worthy of a Solar Exalt than this?
 
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Nilul's an odd case. She's not a real Tepet, that much is for sure; I think she just used some Ebon Dragon Charms to insinuate herself into one of their branches.

That just makes him a more attractive stepping stone to use in the process of building our reputation. Hard to take credit for assassinations, though.

Hard to take credit without inviting retaliatory assassinations, at least.

Guess we don't want to be somebody after all, a pity.

Not without taking the time to become properly trained, I suppose. And Ulyssian is already a party animal, how dare you?

Optimized partying. With optimized socialization - that is, training, and none.

Good time.

Well, if we take his head with us and present it openly, it's going to be hard for anyone else to claim they did it and if we're the DB with the most legitimate claim to having killed him that's already a win.
The real difficulty would probably be to make a two decade year old DB soloing a fearsome Anathema not suspicious as fuck.

An ordinary feat for the student of Lung Feng Zao himself!
 
On a more serious note, Zao's patronage and guidance is one of the most significant benefits of not going off to be a murderhobo in the Threshold. If we can preserve him by staying close to help protect him, then that's something we should consider beneficial. Perhaps not to the point of allowing risk to him to dictate our course of action, but having him around is crucial; he's the font from which our Dynastic influence flows, after all. Even as a mortal, Ulyssian helped tip the balance against a Sidereal infiltrator.
 
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