[Exalted, ?] Most High
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[X] He's Right
I think telling her puts in the middle of fire here, because everyone's going to be all "Oh, Moon, you must have known he was an Exalt all along!" It's easier for us, and safer for her, if we don't tell her we're Anathema. That doesn't mean we can't help her out, and maybe drop some hints along the way...
I think telling her puts in the middle of fire here, because everyone's going to be all "Oh, Moon, you must have known he was an Exalt all along!" It's easier for us, and safer for her, if we don't tell her we're Anathema. That doesn't mean we can't help her out, and maybe drop some hints along the way...
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- The savanna.
See? Fearing that she'll betray us is silly, because it pushes people to work for our agenda.
I'm pretty sure conflating Odyssial's Agenda with wahtever goal Uly is pursuing right now is not very sensible, since it much more likely refers to remaking the entire world in the image of a mad Solar God-King with Heatlessness 10.
It explicitly draws people towards self-improvement and Odyssial's ultimate agenda, only.
Not towards any intermediate goals or even towards any changes to the ultimate goal Uly decides on.
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True. But she's not a wilting flower, unable to withstand the scrutiny of her classmates, who are hardly Elder Sidereals; this is doubly accurate if she's in possession of the sword. If she comes to the truth on her own, without knowledge of the real nature of the so-called Anathema, the consequences could be unpleasant.
Hmm... the truth is likely somewhere between the two statements, since I think Ivory with Ambition would've helped arrange things for us in our absence? We know it was compatible with his subordinates and was frequently wielded by them; it's likely it takes Odyssial's desire for a more perfect world and filters it through the lens of the wielder's own values and preferred methods.
Which I am completely fine with, for the record. It sounds interesting. Not 'Shogun Feng going full Galadriel' style interesting, but genuinely so. It makes Moon a more complex person.
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I was agreeing with you. Being easier for it to influence her means it's easier for her to go Heartlesness 10 overlady as it subtly influence her over time.
I'm saying giving Moon ambition might not be a good thing.
My first priority would be telling her the truth, though I think we should most assuredly both do that and give her the tools to capitalize on that knowledge.
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I have an idea for how we can justify our being Zao's heir despite being newly Exalted. It requires a bit of OOC info right now.
Simply put, our bloodline lets us have access to some major First Age artifacts. Including the Sword of Creation. Obviously, letting people know that there is a newly Exalted DBed with access would be lethal. So Zao pretends we have been Exalted for awhile now.
Simply put, our bloodline lets us have access to some major First Age artifacts. Including the Sword of Creation. Obviously, letting people know that there is a newly Exalted DBed with access would be lethal. So Zao pretends we have been Exalted for awhile now.
Alectai
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It's not a monkey's paw, Odyssial wouldn't have considered a weapon that violates the spirit of his will in favor of MOAR POWER and MORE RUTHLESSNESS to be a masterpiece. Suffice to say, it will obey the will of it's master--to do otherwise, or to take liberal interpretations, would mean it is not a perfect tool.
Zao would fall because he's a thousand year old Dragon Blooded Shogun who's already in the "Whatever it Takes" mode, and that if we give him an option to do everything himself instead of relying on an "Anathema?" He will damn well take it. He's desperate, and giving a desperate person power rarely ends well for anyone.
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I don't care what we tell her as long as we keep the sword.
Ambition driving those to Heartlessness 10 is a known thing. What everyone doesn't have is Apex Flight to mitigate the downside.
Giving an intelligent and idealistic young woman power, however, could end very well indeed.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
When was it said this would happen?
It pushes them to pursue Odyssial's goals and cultivate their own excellence. The Heartlessness 10 thing is pure supposition.
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- The savanna.
I want to tell her the truth, but it'd be irresponsible to do that without giving her the power to handle it.
If I had to pick one or the other? Truth. Because fuck sabotaging a relationship that has persisted over multiple quests when there are viable alternatives.
If I had to pick one or the other? Truth. Because fuck sabotaging a relationship that has persisted over multiple quests when there are viable alternatives.
Heatlessness 10 is a direct result of pursuing excellence and Odyssial's goals above all else. It's not a feature but a side effect.
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Out of 58 voters 12 have explicitly voted to give her Ambition (plus 1 as a last resort if other negotiation tactics fail) and 10 have explicitly voted not to give her Ambition.
The impression I'm getting is that of most of the people explicitly voting to give her Ambition are hoping to tell her we're Anathema since they mostly added it to a simple Persuasion, which makes it seem like it's a bargaining chip against Zao's arguments.
About half of the votes explicitly mentioning not to give her Ambition are attached to Braincaster's "I just exalted as a Fire Caste" thing.
The absolute majority of voters didn't feel the need to make a explicit vote for Ambition either way, though whether this is because they don't want to antivote when it wasn't asked for, whether they feel ambivalent towards the whole thing or think they've made their position clear with arguments, I can't say.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
That was not stated at all, we could have quite easily managed to hit Greatness 10 with the XP we generated and never hit Heartlessness 10.
We hit Heartlessness 10 because Odyssial was prone to taking very, very efficient steps to getting what he wanted, which often paved over the interests of others. He could spend more time on megaprojects because he spent time crushing anyone who would get in his way.
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It's the result of thousands of years spent being a First Age Solar, doing things most in the Age of Sorrows could not even conceive of. The sword does not simply copy Odyssial's personality into the wielder, it gives them some of his drives. It says nothing of methodology or ruthlessness, only excellence.