I would laugh my butt off if the that "Priceless Treasure" is a person or kid. Moral dilemmas indeed.
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I would laugh my butt off if the that "Priceless Treasure" is a person or kid. Moral dilemmas indeed.
Border Zone Focus
Rihaku
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The winners are [X] South-Eastern Border Zone and [X] Not Necessary. We have some book-keeping decisions to make before the update, which I'm aiming to begin writing later tonight.
Given the additional travel time, Nameless has been able to master Tyranshal's Potentiation. Decide whether to expend a Beyond Point on this spell:
[ ] Spend a Beyond Point - Blood cost reduced by 75%, allowing for perpetual two-step (x4 -> x6) enhancement on Haltsuphrect's Quickening on yourself, though not your allies. Further augmentation with an Artifact might allow for liberal use of two-step enhancements or increase the maximum potency of blood augmentation on your Diagrams.
[ ] Don't Spent a Beyond Point - You can likely create an Artifact to help replenish your blood at some point, but you will only be able to reliably improve Haltsuphrect's Quickening by one step (x4 -> x5) for the foreseeable future - and only because, as a Pseudolich, you don't need blood to live.
Discussion and fanwork bonuses for the last two timeskips have been banked and are ready to be expended. You may select one of the following benefits for Nameless to acquire before he reaches the South-Eastern Border Zone:
[ ] +1 Mastermind Point (reduced from +2 due to strenuous training last timeskip, removes Mastermind Debt)
[ ] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining - Nameless estimates this will increase the benefit of ingested cultivation materials by 20-100% on average. Also unlocks the ability to spend Beyond Point(s) on it. Warning: improving the 'quality' of poisonous materials may also 'upgrade' their toxicity.
[ ] A Fierce Migration - While the beasts on the border of south-eastern Kong tend not to exceed the level of the Dao Cleaving stage, it appears that some event deeper in the Kong forests has precipitated a major outward migration of mightier beasts, progressively displacing those before them. Beasts of potentially the Reality Forming stage will now appear in this Zone; Nameless will typically have significant forewarning before before confronted by one. Treasure Quantity increased to Prodigious, +30% chance of finding a Priceless Treasure.
[ ] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost - Nameless has discerned how to Go Beyond the standard Ego Barrier stage, but his method requires that the Cultivator also be a Diagram Magus. With this, he will discover a way for Elves (theoretically) and Half-Elves to also access the Absolute Ego Barrier Stage, and is guaranteed to teach it quickly to his Second, Ming Xiaoling. [Xiaoling Loyalty++, Xiaoling now fights +.75 stages above her Cultivation Base]
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Now that Nameless has reached the Border Zone, what should his priority be?
[ ] Seek Cultivation Materials - Hunt the great beasts of the Border Zone region, and harvest Cultivation resources from their organs. Search the ancient dungeons of the region for relics and eldritch flora which your Artifacts and talents ensure you are perfectly positioned to exploit. Attempt to increase the level of your Cultivation base aggressively and help your Lackeys somewhat catch up.
[ ] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold - Now that you have brought your Cultivation and Artifice levels up to par, it is time to re-focus on the centerpiece of your power: the magic of the Diagram. You are pretty sure you can find the liches in this region if you commit a substantial amount of time to seeking them out. Who knows what formidable spells and secrets of the Diagram they might be able to offer you, whether at swordpoint or through trade?
[ ] Hunt Forbidden Cultivators [Suizhen Loyalty+] - Hunt the poison-refining Forbidden Cultivators that visit this region, and eradicate them for defying the Orthodoxy or shake them down for knowledge of their poison-manipulating Forbidden Techniques. Most Cultivation effects that do not emerge from a Dao require some fairly drastic alterations to the Organ Refining or Soul Chrysalis phases. Best to learn them now if you wish to exploit poisons in the future, but be wary that you are not yourself scammed!
Why, Daoism, of course!
Given the additional travel time, Nameless has been able to master Tyranshal's Potentiation. Decide whether to expend a Beyond Point on this spell:
[ ] Spend a Beyond Point - Blood cost reduced by 75%, allowing for perpetual two-step (x4 -> x6) enhancement on Haltsuphrect's Quickening on yourself, though not your allies. Further augmentation with an Artifact might allow for liberal use of two-step enhancements or increase the maximum potency of blood augmentation on your Diagrams.
[ ] Don't Spent a Beyond Point - You can likely create an Artifact to help replenish your blood at some point, but you will only be able to reliably improve Haltsuphrect's Quickening by one step (x4 -> x5) for the foreseeable future - and only because, as a Pseudolich, you don't need blood to live.
Discussion and fanwork bonuses for the last two timeskips have been banked and are ready to be expended. You may select one of the following benefits for Nameless to acquire before he reaches the South-Eastern Border Zone:
[ ] +1 Mastermind Point (reduced from +2 due to strenuous training last timeskip, removes Mastermind Debt)
[ ] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining - Nameless estimates this will increase the benefit of ingested cultivation materials by 20-100% on average. Also unlocks the ability to spend Beyond Point(s) on it. Warning: improving the 'quality' of poisonous materials may also 'upgrade' their toxicity.
[ ] A Fierce Migration - While the beasts on the border of south-eastern Kong tend not to exceed the level of the Dao Cleaving stage, it appears that some event deeper in the Kong forests has precipitated a major outward migration of mightier beasts, progressively displacing those before them. Beasts of potentially the Reality Forming stage will now appear in this Zone; Nameless will typically have significant forewarning before before confronted by one. Treasure Quantity increased to Prodigious, +30% chance of finding a Priceless Treasure.
[ ] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost - Nameless has discerned how to Go Beyond the standard Ego Barrier stage, but his method requires that the Cultivator also be a Diagram Magus. With this, he will discover a way for Elves (theoretically) and Half-Elves to also access the Absolute Ego Barrier Stage, and is guaranteed to teach it quickly to his Second, Ming Xiaoling. [Xiaoling Loyalty++, Xiaoling now fights +.75 stages above her Cultivation Base]
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Now that Nameless has reached the Border Zone, what should his priority be?
[ ] Seek Cultivation Materials - Hunt the great beasts of the Border Zone region, and harvest Cultivation resources from their organs. Search the ancient dungeons of the region for relics and eldritch flora which your Artifacts and talents ensure you are perfectly positioned to exploit. Attempt to increase the level of your Cultivation base aggressively and help your Lackeys somewhat catch up.
[ ] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold - Now that you have brought your Cultivation and Artifice levels up to par, it is time to re-focus on the centerpiece of your power: the magic of the Diagram. You are pretty sure you can find the liches in this region if you commit a substantial amount of time to seeking them out. Who knows what formidable spells and secrets of the Diagram they might be able to offer you, whether at swordpoint or through trade?
[ ] Hunt Forbidden Cultivators [Suizhen Loyalty+] - Hunt the poison-refining Forbidden Cultivators that visit this region, and eradicate them for defying the Orthodoxy or shake them down for knowledge of their poison-manipulating Forbidden Techniques. Most Cultivation effects that do not emerge from a Dao require some fairly drastic alterations to the Organ Refining or Soul Chrysalis phases. Best to learn them now if you wish to exploit poisons in the future, but be wary that you are not yourself scammed!
Why, Daoism, of course!
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- United States
[x] Spend a Beyond Point
[x] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[x] Seek Cultivation Material
[x] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[x] Seek Cultivation Material
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
Is this in addition to the loyalty boost granted by the SE Border choice?
[X] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
[X] +1 Mastermind Point
[X] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[X] A Fierce Migration
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
[X] +1 Mastermind Point
[X] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[X] A Fierce Migration
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
If we select this, can we go down a stage to go beyond Organ Refinement?
Oh god, both of these would be amazing. Either for the much better chance of finding priceless treasure, the fact we'd be practically tripping over treasure, or the loyalty boost of the second option.
Definately something we need to choose if Fierce Migration wins.
Not the biggest fan, since this slow downs everyone's growth, but I don't mind if we do it.
I love anything to increase Suizhen loyalty, and I think it's better to choose this if we choose Xiaoling Cultivation Boost. But I don't mind this option losing either.
[X] Spend a Beyond Point
[X] +1 Mastermind Point
[X] Seek Cultivation Materials
We should definitely spend a point on Potentiation. While we could create an artifact to reduce the blood cost, we have plenty of other artifacts to make and we were told that we could instead make another artifact to boost the effect of Potentiation.
Beyond points is probably our most valuable resource, likely more so even than time (at least now that we have Potentiation), so it makes sense to get a Mastermind point here. That would also allow us to find out what those does. We don't really have the means to defeat reality forming beasts anyway and Mastering Kleinvarr's Greater Refining was something we could do with a single minor action for the last build vote.
We just spend our cultivation materials, so we need to restock on those. That it also helps our companions keep up is a nice bonus.
[X] +1 Mastermind Point
[X] Seek Cultivation Materials
We should definitely spend a point on Potentiation. While we could create an artifact to reduce the blood cost, we have plenty of other artifacts to make and we were told that we could instead make another artifact to boost the effect of Potentiation.
Beyond points is probably our most valuable resource, likely more so even than time (at least now that we have Potentiation), so it makes sense to get a Mastermind point here. That would also allow us to find out what those does. We don't really have the means to defeat reality forming beasts anyway and Mastering Kleinvarr's Greater Refining was something we could do with a single minor action for the last build vote.
We just spend our cultivation materials, so we need to restock on those. That it also helps our companions keep up is a nice bonus.
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Augh, so many shinies. I guess it's a choice between
[ ] A Fierce Migration
[ ] Seek Cultivation Materials
and
[ ] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[ ] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
for me. The first would give us quite the substantial boost to cultivation (which naturally leads to better Artifacts/Diagrams), whereas the liches were part of the regions appeal. One can never have too many multipliers, after all. Plus while giving Xiaoling the Beyond stage doesn't seem like much on the surface, she's the least loyal and combat capable of our followers atm. Maybe the Elf version of the Barrier will even be useful for other things in the future, one never knows.
Hmm, I think I'll go with
[X] Spend a Beyond Point
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
Btw, how did Nameless ever resist the allure of the Vault? Didn't Spoiled proc? And he didn't get tired of Xiaoling's whining either?
[ ] A Fierce Migration
[ ] Seek Cultivation Materials
and
[ ] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[ ] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
for me. The first would give us quite the substantial boost to cultivation (which naturally leads to better Artifacts/Diagrams), whereas the liches were part of the regions appeal. One can never have too many multipliers, after all. Plus while giving Xiaoling the Beyond stage doesn't seem like much on the surface, she's the least loyal and combat capable of our followers atm. Maybe the Elf version of the Barrier will even be useful for other things in the future, one never knows.
Hmm, I think I'll go with
[X] Spend a Beyond Point
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
Btw, how did Nameless ever resist the allure of the Vault? Didn't Spoiled proc? And he didn't get tired of Xiaoling's whining either?
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
If we had a second BP point, I'd probably go with this. But now it depends on the answer of if choosing not to gives us the opprotunity to Go Beyond Organ Refinement.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
[X] Spend a Beyond Point -
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost -
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold - Now that you have brought your Cultivation and Artifice levels up to par, it is time to re-focus on the centerpiece of your power: the magic of the Diagram. You are pretty sure you can find the liches in this region if you commit a substantial amount of time to seeking them out. Who knows what formidable spells and secrets of the Diagram they might be able to offer you, whether at swordpoint or through trade?
At work right now, but this seems a good balance between strengthening ourselves and our party alike.
Migration and Seek Materials is also very tempting though.
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost -
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold - Now that you have brought your Cultivation and Artifice levels up to par, it is time to re-focus on the centerpiece of your power: the magic of the Diagram. You are pretty sure you can find the liches in this region if you commit a substantial amount of time to seeking them out. Who knows what formidable spells and secrets of the Diagram they might be able to offer you, whether at swordpoint or through trade?
At work right now, but this seems a good balance between strengthening ourselves and our party alike.
Migration and Seek Materials is also very tempting though.
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DkArthas
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- Earth
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- They
[x] Spend a Beyond Point
[x] A Fierce Migration
[x] Seek Cultivation Materials
A Fierce migration Synergizes well with Seeking cultivation material.
Increase our chances of finding treasure and priceless treasure greatly while plundering the area. Let's get em all!
We may even get better shit than the legacy zone if we get lucky and even if we don't, we are certainly going to get shit ton of treasures.
[x] A Fierce Migration
[x] Seek Cultivation Materials
A Fierce migration Synergizes well with Seeking cultivation material.
Increase our chances of finding treasure and priceless treasure greatly while plundering the area. Let's get em all!
We may even get better shit than the legacy zone if we get lucky and even if we don't, we are certainly going to get shit ton of treasures.
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
Xiaoling kind of ditched us and went off to here before us.
Picking Xiaoling Cultivation Boost is pretty much just giving one of our beyond points to her...
Nameless can make far better use of a beyond point. For example, it could be used to get a 20 point Vault or to increase our combat prowess by an entire stage through beyond Might!
Nameless can make far better use of a beyond point. For example, it could be used to get a 20 point Vault or to increase our combat prowess by an entire stage through beyond Might!
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[X] Don't Spent a Beyond Point
[x] A Fierce Migration
[x] Seek Cultivation Materials
[x] A Fierce Migration
[x] Seek Cultivation Materials
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Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
[X] Spend a Beyond Point
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] Hunt Forbidden Cultivators
The Lich (probably) isn't going to meet their Doom in the next month or two, let's focus on shaking down the locals and securing our lackey's loyalty protecting the innocent Imperial citizens of Southern Vane from those dastardly Forbidden Cultivators.
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] Hunt Forbidden Cultivators
The Lich (probably) isn't going to meet their Doom in the next month or two, let's focus on shaking down the locals and
50% increase.
Not sure if we should quite spend BPs on this, however. Going from 5 to 6 is merely 20% increase, one that we can get later on as well; i'm sure we can get better elsewhere. Although it does help us with other spells as well.
Oh, that's right. I thought we'd meet her somewhere in Vane and make our way towards the eldritch jungle together, but apparently she'll wait for us there.
There's lots of things we can do instead of helping our lackeys, but at some point we'll have to actually invest in them unless we want them to remain useless hanger-ons without a shred of loyalty to us.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
Another thing is that during the big timeskip, beyond Potentiation gave us an extra minor action.
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
How so? The only opportunity cost in terms of BP is from missing out on the Mastermind points, and given that we've got Bae's Deliberation providing 12 Mastermind Points per year of adventuring and can only exchange 2 Mastermind Points per year that doesn't seem like that big a loss.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Xiaoling is our Second, if she doesn't warrant our investment, not much really does.
Her getting an Absolute Ego Barrier alone makes her almost capable of jumping a full stage, putting her cleanly in reach of Soul Chrysalis effectiveness in no time.
Plus her Second ability making any power invested in her has innately greater quality.
It'll also smooth things over with her for taking the route we did.
Her getting an Absolute Ego Barrier alone makes her almost capable of jumping a full stage, putting her cleanly in reach of Soul Chrysalis effectiveness in no time.
Plus her Second ability making any power invested in her has innately greater quality.
It'll also smooth things over with her for taking the route we did.
[X] Spend a Beyond Point
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
[X] Xiaoling Cultivation Boost
[X] [The Ring] Seek the Lich Stronghold
It also makes a x6 multiplier slightly less expensive than an x5 multiplier without the beyond point (25% vs 30% blood cost).
The effect on other spells shouldn't be underestimated. For example, we were told how Refining can have a large impact on our cultivation resources. Teleportation is another way to benefit from it, better teleportation means shorter travel times.
It doesn't make much sense to invest in them when we have alternatives which give greater benefits. If that happens to be the case all the time, then leaving them as "useless hanger-ons" would be the superior option. After all, victory is Nameless' main objective, improving the power of his companions is counter productive if it comes at the expense of greater power gain for himself.
That is not how it works. We can convert any number of Mastermind points into beyond points once a year.
"Once per year, convert Mastermind Points to Beyond Points (2:1) at will"
[X] Don't Spent a Beyond Point
[X] A Fierce Migration
[X] Seek Cultivation Materials
Let's be real here people, we took this combination of powers specifically so we can benefit a ton in short term. With Migration + Materials we will advance super fast. Fast Cultivation rate translates to more Artifacts(one of which might help is with getting Artifact for Potentiation) and will hopefully allow us to Go Beyond on our project. Outside of that, we don't spend a BP.
BP we will very much need, i might add. 20% to our temporal speed is not good enough, and while general spell boost is nice, we can just make Artifact for that. Just ask yourself, would you make Artifact that doesn't nothing but give you +1BP? I know i would. Spending a BP on Potentiation just doesn't sound attractive now that we both have Artifact booster and are just about to get ton of material for Artifacts.
[X] A Fierce Migration
[X] Seek Cultivation Materials
Let's be real here people, we took this combination of powers specifically so we can benefit a ton in short term. With Migration + Materials we will advance super fast. Fast Cultivation rate translates to more Artifacts(one of which might help is with getting Artifact for Potentiation) and will hopefully allow us to Go Beyond on our project. Outside of that, we don't spend a BP.
BP we will very much need, i might add. 20% to our temporal speed is not good enough, and while general spell boost is nice, we can just make Artifact for that. Just ask yourself, would you make Artifact that doesn't nothing but give you +1BP? I know i would. Spending a BP on Potentiation just doesn't sound attractive now that we both have Artifact booster and are just about to get ton of material for Artifacts.