Even Further Beyond [Complete]

Except we can't assume direct control.

We can forge more reliably, but Fate still gets a say. After all, the Dark Lord is entitled to his panoply rather than relying on handouts.

Even Further Beyond shows what I'm talking about, and how Fate gets snitty if you push it too far. Enormous power, but we are destroyed after crafting the 12th artifact.

Fate pushes back. Further Beyond Forge just gives us more wiggle room and more Essence.

Is it the Fate of the Dark Lord to be unable to ever find the Heroine to confront her?

Fate is also still on our side. If we make a scrying artifact to track people (our very own palantir), that's pretty in theme for the Dark Lord, particularly an Archsmith Overlord. Doing that is in theme for us, fitting the role that Fate wants us to play. Now, of course, to make a good artifact, we need to be as powerful as possible. Once more, we're back to needing Cultivation boosts.

I also still have long term hopes about being able to forge artifacts in our own reality with our own tame version of Fate by the time that the Heroine powers up. Of course, that requires being in Reality Forming.

Diagram magic divination has so far been pretty unimpressive. Relying on a game changer in that field dropping out of the sky because we need it seems exceptionally optimistic.
 
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Is it the Fate of the Dark Lord to be unable to ever find the Heroine to confront her?
If we're being general, not 'unable to ever find' but very often 'finds them just as they're capable of not instantly dying'
Being found just after you're now able to survive the encounter is a staple of many genres, since being found before that often leads to the story hitting a wall.
 
I wonder if we could turn our Lackeys into artifacts. Suizhen's nature as one of the Heroines seems to me like the perfect kind of thing to feed to Artifice for good results, at least.

Best of all, it would solve the issue of loyalty permanently. :V
 
-[ ] Go Even Further Beyond [10 Beyond Points]: Instead forge Artifacts as if your essence were equal to twice that of the greatest elf-smith ever to live (2x Ascendant Titan); every Artifact you forge counts as a Magnum Opus. You are Doomed; complete twelve Artifacts and it shall come due.

It is interesting that Even Further Beyond for forge doesn't give a flat boost, but instead sets our essence for forging purposes to always be equal to that of the greatest elf-smith to ever live (2x thanks to the ring), regardless of what our actual essence is. My guess is that what what is happening here is that Nameless figured out how to forge using the essence/fate of anyone he chooses rather than just himself. And naturally, he picks the greatest elf smith as his target.

The limit of 12 artifacts is the same limit that Skyveil had in They Called Me Mad quest. In that story there were twelve titans, twelve artifacts, and no explanation for why she was limited to 12. Why the limit here? Maybe Skyveil's power and Elvish magic are the same thing, because the gods/Rihaku copy-paste powers in order to save time. The limit ties into some deeper rules in the multiverse. 13 is unlucky, or if a 13'th was made a pissed off titan would show up, so Skyveil stopped at 12, and the gods kill us once we hit 12 to make sure we can't fuck things up and hit 13.

Or, maybe Rihaku just needed to nerf this power, and picked 12 because call-backs to past quests amuse him.

And oh look, Psionics are primed to wreck Cultivators, we've already seen a sign of it in how we could spend 4 BP to get what amounts to being an instant kill on any Cultivator alive, through a mental assault.

I was wondering for a while what kind of paradigm could overthrow Cultivation as a school, this may very well be it.

Interestingly enough, Skyveil's artifacts are described as "to those who know how to look, each radiates power, like a neutron star of psi-energy."

The references to artifact forging, or Elvish magic, as making us into Skyveil might be literal. If the elves really do have a nerfed form of Skyveil's power, then maybe the Heroine will show up, teach them psi, and then the elves will end the age of man.
 
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Eh, if I recall correctly, Skyveil could get a slot back by breaking an artifact down. We didn't have that option.

It's telling though that Doctor Apocalypse will go from insane hate to grudging--but genuine respect if we get Philosopher's Stone. Wasn't the reason he despised Skyveil because she didn't actually need to put real work into her artifice? Just decide she wanted something and then create a tool utterly beyond his prowess.

And then using them for purposes he found incredibly banal, when she could have been so much more?

I get the feeling Philosopher's Stone gets his respect precisely because it takes something great, and then uses reason and effort to turn it into something vastly greater.
 
I'm concerned that we might not see the Philosopher's Stone innactuon, as we'll simply run out of time.

That's a big reason I switched to Greater Refining, so we'd have the best chance of getting the Cultivation speed multipliers we need for this.

Otherwise, we're talking much more time than we actually have available. Cultivating four times as fast (once beyond plus Potentiation) is a very, very big deal for our final build, probably increasing where we get to by a stage or even two, depending on what other multipliers we get. Being Reality Forming rather than Soul Chrysalis would make a tremendous impact.

Our friends being high Dao Cleaving would also be exceptionally useful.
 
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I wonder if we could turn our Lackeys into artifacts. Suizhen's nature as one of the Heroines seems to me like the perfect kind of thing to feed to Artifice for good results, at least.

Best of all, it would solve the issue of loyalty permanently. :V
I mean, a Lackey with a Perfect Ego Barrier who is willing to become a Magnum Opus has already had their loyalty solved more or less permanently IMO.
I'm concerned that we might not see the Philosopher's Stone innactuon, as we'll simply run out of time.

That's a big reason I switched to Greater Refining, so we'd have the best chance of getting the Cultivation speed multipliers we need for this.

Otherwise, we're talking much more time than we actually have available. Cultivating four times as fast (once beyond plus Potentiation) is a very, very big deal for our final build, probably increasing where we get to by a stage or even two, depending on what other multipliers we get. Being Reality Forming rather than Soul Chrysalis would make a tremendous impact.

Our friends being high Dao Cleaving would also be exceptionally useful.
Yeah True Alchemist needs to potentially be enough for the build to be worth pursuing.
 
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I'm concerned that we might not see the Philosopher's Stone innactuon, as we'll simply run out of time.

That's a big reason I switched to Greater Refining, so we'd have the best chance of getting the Cultivation speed multipliers we need for this.

Otherwise, we're talking much more time than we actually have available. Cultivating four times as fast (once beyond plus Potentiation) is a very, very big deal for our final build, probably increasing where we get to by a stage or even two, depending on what other multipliers we get. Being Reality Forming rather than Soul Chrysalis would make a tremendous impact.
Eh? The four times as fast is Further Beyond Refining, at a 3 BP cost. Rihaku was already counting in Potentation multipliers when he said Further would grant the x4 multiplier, so its not something that we'd get with the single Beyond version.
 
Philosopher's Stone in time IS impossible, but not was it my goal. Achieving True Alchemist should be sufficient for us to meaningfully engage with the plot. It should put us somewhere in the range of Grand Solipsism, while likely being an augmentation of our Binary Magic and Diagram Magic as well.

Combine that with using our research to comprehensively augment our Lieutenants, and we should have a strong crew of experts around Reality Forming effective strength, and considerable power projection when the conflict begins in earnest.
 
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Well, you did go to her favored area... A surprising amount of concern for a Lackey's life, when you could have gone to the Exclusion Zone and maintained the same loyalty boost!

And what can a Lackey hope for, if not the care of the Overlord?
If only we had gone Reaper Man...

Changing vote slightly...

[x] Spend a Beyond Point
[x] Master Kleinvarr's Greater Refining
[X] Seek Cultivation Materials
 
I wonder if we could turn our Lackeys into artifacts. Suizhen's nature as one of the Heroines seems to me like the perfect kind of thing to feed to Artifice for good results, at least.

Best of all, it would solve the issue of loyalty permanently. :V
Playing Alveua would be interesting, if the situation comes up again. Someone with righteous passions who's willing to martyr themselves completely could achieve results beyond their reach in life. Binary Magic may exact a bitter toll, but at least it's not indifferent to the desires of its users. Raw primacy of essence matters, that's an inescapable truth, but the emotional magnitude of the sacrifice is also factored in. It allows the hopes and prayers of the Artificer some small purchase on reality, and in a world as wondrous and cruelly indifferent as this, that's not nothing. Also, it would resolve loyalty issues, and turning people into pills is a time-honored Xianxia tradition. The biggest roadblock here is that Baenlixnaire had to use his Eyes to walk us through the creation of an Artifact that would allow a soul merger before he could donate his essence, and we no longer have that capability. The Forge of the Nameless grants increased control, but not on that level.
 
Mastering Greater Refining is grossly inefficient, IMO. We master it in a MINOR action.
 
Mastering Greater Refining is grossly inefficient, IMO. We master it in a MINOR action.

The catch is that if we drink from this chalice, we'll get to have a special exception made and improve it with Beyond Points.

Though a lot of people are fixating on the Further Beyond effect despite the fact we have--at most--two BP right now, and one's probably getting eaten by Potentiation.
 
The catch is that if we drink from this chalice, we'll get to have a special exception made and improve it with Beyond Points.

Though a lot of people are fixating on the Further Beyond effect despite the fact we have--at most--two BP right now, and one's probably getting eaten by Potentiation.
Precisely!

And we already budget 1 BP for Organ Refining, which leaves us with precisely 0 BP!.. Let alone everything else we want to spend it on. Normal mastery is fine.
 
Penumbra of Chance
Penumbra of Chance

Southern Vane had not the Center's engulfing majesty or Northern Yong's pastoral vividness, but possessed an eccentric charm of its own, an air of bombed-out serendipity that reminded him of pictures he'd seen of post-WWII Europe. Moldering ruins and fantastical oddities abounded, set against a backdrop of rolling farmland and quaint, Western-style villages. Larger cities were partially colonized by the Imperial 'oriental' aesthetic, but it was more architectural symbiosis than homogenizing plague. Clocktowers of weathered marble rose statesmanlike over the courtyards of Daoist temples; lichen-crusted fortress walls loomed protectively over open bazaars, markets alive with the scurrying of rickshaws and the clamor of haggling merchants.

There was something whimsical, yet deeply melancholy about the land. Northern Yong as-yet lived its high noon, but the sun had long set on Southern Vane. Outside the extravagant Ruby Court itself, the region sported very few Cultivator cities, for any mid-sized settlement that failed to contain a Dao Cleaving-or-higher expert was under the remote but menacing prospect of Diagram Lich attack.

Yong Clan headhunters of the Reality Forming stage could slay Diagram terrorists without locating their phylacteries, but few other paths of Cultivation demonstrated so comprehensive an offensive ability, and Northern Yong was literally halfway across the world.

But now, at long last - six months of travel by the Imperial Calendar, many multiples of that considering his time dilation - he'd made it to his first destination. The Border Zone between Southern Vane and Eastern Kong sported a ragged gradient where Southern ruins faded into the Overgrowth. Here, interactions between the exotic magics of prior ages and the robust wildlife of Kong spawned a multifarious domain of formidable beasts, monster-infested dungeons, and potent-but-poisonous vegetation. A spiritual bramble thicket, far from the few Kong cities or the concentrated power of the Ruby Court, teeming with abominations that frequently sported esoteric capabilities.

For low-level Cultivators, a locale not worth the risk of exploitation, despite its relative abundance of resources. For the mighty, a distant and politically marginalized zone not worth the time to explore. For Nameless - an immortal pseudolich, immune to offensive Diagrams, with no vital organs in his flesh body - it was nearly perfect. It was likely that other Diagram liches believed the same. If he dug deeply enough, he expected to find a Diagram stronghold in a pocket dimension anchored here, containing peers and contemporaries of his ancient mentor. Whether they received him fearfully or well, he would extract what secrets he could before they perished.

The minor city of Deplian was the closest outpost to this section of the border, a regional river port and trade hub defended (and contested) by four minor Sects with Patriarchs in the mid-to-high Dao Cleaving stage. An unusually powerful Cultivator presence for this area, and the surrounding territory was relatively barren - picked clean - as a result, but a day's teleportation from here would bring one into pristine wilderness.

Boasting a population of three million mortals within the city proper, it contained the bare level of infrastructure that a Ming Princess might find acceptable. It was here that he had asked Xiaoling to meet them, and already at this distance he could see the wake of disarray generated by her arrival.

"Xiaoling doesn't get along well with others," he said offhandedly to Suizhen. "When we get there, hang back at first and let me handle her."

"Of course, sir!" Suizhen saluted. "I'm content to be left alone to further my training. B-besides, I'm a bodyguard. You should only rely on me when diplomacy turns out poorly!"

"I certainly can't rely on you to protect us against scams," he needled gently. Suizhen stiffened, embarrassed.

"S-sir! You could have told me that those 'Spiritwood fruits' were but normal cherries! Does not your Ring allow you to see through all manner of illusion?"

"One could say the same for the eyes of Kong," he observed. "But there's nothing wrong with overpaying a bit for some fresh cherries. They were well-grown and delicious. Besides, the only way you could have made that mistake honestly was if you'd never had any before, and who am I to deny my diligent bodyguard an expansion of her culinary horizons?"

"But we're already low on money as it is..." Suizhen slumped. "Sir, you're consuming so many materials on your own, is it really alright to spend so much on me as well? At this rate I'll never work off my debt! To say nothing of your Quickening fee..."

"That is the plan," he nodded sagely. "But really, Suizhen, two centuries' wages is nothing. Anything less than a millennium is an eyeblink in the life of a Titan, and I'm sure your rates will increase as you grow in power."

He paused. "I still can't believe you've never eaten a cherry before. Does the house of Kong truly suffer from such grievous deprivation? Is his tyrannical denial of foodstuffs the reason you want to off your old Patriarch?"

"I could add it to the list," Suizhen joked happily. Her mood was generally positive now that she'd broken into Soul Chrysalis. By anyone's standard, his bodyguard was an immaculate prodigy, though he was a bit concerned that she wouldn't be able to benefit from his Ego Barrier revision.

They moved down into the city proper, and Xiaoling greeted him outside the steps of Deplian's largest hotel, a middling fifty-story affair built into the foundations of an old Diagram fortress. She had, of course, rented the entire thing.

"Unloved child!" She shrieked gleefully, gathering up her skirts and rushing down to embrace him. "It's been far too long."

"Spoiled brat," he said, returning her hug affectionately. "And how are you? Not suffering too terribly, I hope."

Her ears had been allowed to grow, he noted, and were now disguised by a minor but true Artifact, a thin golden choker. A product of her mysterious mother?

"I'm put out," she replied, doe-like eyes flashing. "Not only were you late, forcing me to subsist within this hovel, but now I see you've picked up a stray! Why didn't you mention her in your letter?"

"She's my bodyguard," he replied, amused. "The genius, if you recall. Suizhen broke through into Soul Chrysalis last month, a day before her fifteenth birthday."

"Ah," Xiaoling sniffed disdainfully. "It's good she's blessed with something. The girl is rather plain."

"I find her eyes very striking," he teased, turning and waving to Suizhen.

Xiaoling, if he were to be frank, was indeed a heart-stopping beauty, even among the noble ladies of the Ming Court. Her light brown hair, pale green eyes, and near-translucent skin made her partial elven heritage very clear; that heritage, in conjunction with her intimidating looks and ferocious personality, had driven away most of the would-be allies and admirers in their peer group.

She had been a generous and gregarious child, openly disclosing her half-elf ancestry to him when they'd first met, but the official story was that she was only one-eighth elven (an acceptable degree of deviance for an heiress of the Trade Throne). Many of her friends of lower stature, to whom she had also disclosed the truth, had been assassinated in order to maintain the pretense. The distraught Xiaoling was subsequently spoiled by her apologetic father, and she learned that a combative stance towards others was safer for all involved. Habit became character, and Xiaoling's original open-hearted motivations had perhaps been forgotten along the way.

"Eyes of Kong," Xiaoling said, studying his bodyguard. Her own eyes narrowed in response. "And of that purity grade... I recognize her. She's from the Sui family branch, isn't she? I thought Zang Kong had exterminated them for treason."

"It was some kind of experiment, from what I've gathered," Nameless replied. "But yes, treason against one's Marquis was the official story. Suizhen wasn't implicated, her parents were."

"Enough about her," he said sharply, "What about me? And more importantly - the presents you've surely bought for me. Let's get to it! Emperor knows I only put up with you for your money..."

"Oh, that reminds me!" Xiaoling squealed, slapping a hand against his torso. "I found a new palanquin that's absolutely divine! You simply must see it, I've had an exhibition built on the 37th floor. You'll never guess where I dredged this up..."

Nameless beckoned Suizhen over and headed into the hotel-fortress. It was good to be back in civilization, he mused, if only for a spell.

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"...And you must be the bodyguard!" Xiaoling said sweetly, but with an air of appraisal. It was some hours into the tour, and the first time she'd acknowledged Suizhen's existence.

Somewhat taken aback, Suizhen merely nodded.

"What a delightful outfit," Xiaoling continued, stalking a semi-circle around her newest victim. "It looks so... practical."

"Thanks!" Suizhen perked up. "I really like it. Yours is beautiful too, but how do you fight in heels?"

"Oh, you poor thing," Xiaoling shook her head consolingly. "That's what a change of outfits is for. I suppose you mustn't have had much opportunity for that. Don't worry, we must all play to our strengths... your case is simply more literal than others'."

"Um..." Suizhen faltered, somewhat confused. "I, I guess? I mean, I'm happy to be strong?"

"Of course you are, dear, it's not like he hired you for the conversation," Xiaoling dismissed, turning back to Nameless.

"You know she's going to be carrying our luggage," Nameless pointed out.

"All the more important that she be strong," Xiaoling replied airily. "And now, Unloved Child: I have been an absolutely wonderful hostess to you, catered to your every want, anticipated your every need-"

He nodded. "Yes, everything has been perfect despite our being forced to live in a hovel. Good job!" He gave her a cheesy thumbs-up.

Xiaoling rolled her eyes. "I'm adrift in the winds of your flattery. But have you really not gotten anything for me?" She pouted beseechingly.

He thought for a moment, then indicated himself with a flourish. "Ta-da! It's me, your only friend!"

She sniffled. "You wound me so deeply..."

"I'm my father's son," he admitted. "Scum of the earth, the worst dregs of Yong."

"Absolutely heartless," she accused.

"The Mountain's Refuse, they call us. To press against us is to sink into trash."

Xiaoling snorted and he pulled her into a hug. "The truth is," he whispered, "I did get you something. But it's so much better than the crap you've gotten me that I haven't felt like bringing it out. A giant gold-plated Diagram, really? So, if you want to see it, you'll have to do me a favor."

"You didn't like the Diagram?" She whispered concernedly.

"I love the Diagram," he reassured, "but it's still nowhere near as spectacular as my gift. Therefore I'll need that favor."

"Well," she said with mock umbrage, "my wish is your command, then."

"Be nicer to Suizhen."

"You ask too much."

"I didn't say to be nice. Just... a medium amount nicer. Can you do that? For me?"

"Begging for mercy on her behalf?"

"That's right."

"Hmph. I suppose if it's a request from my... only friend," she said haughtily, "then in... desperation not to lose your friendship, I must accede."

"Just as planned," he said smugly. She swatted him on the arm.

"Ow!" Xiaoling looked at her hand. "You monstrous beast, you've hurt me. Did you complete that flesh-reinforcing Diagram you were dreaming about?"

"I learned to Cultivate," he said. "And, I discovered a stage between Ego Barrier and Organ Refining. Diagram Mages can access it."

"You what?"

"Don't worry, half-elves can access it too."

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Last time, the winning votes were [X] Liches, [X] Xiaoling Cultivation Buff, and [X] Spend a Beyond Point. You now have 1 (and change) Beyond Point(s).

Xiaoling has attained Beyond Ego Barrier and has promised to be nicer to Suizhen. We'll see how that holds up. She's also done some preliminary fieldwork on this area, mostly by paying off the local Sects to dish out the gossip on their competitors. As it is, it appears that a probable Lich stronghold has been discovered by the Bleak Ravens sect, and their newly-ascended Reality Forming Patriarch has taken up residence in the subterranean vault adjacent to the suspected pocket dimension. No outside information has leaked on his activities in the vault, but he seems determined not to leave. Bleak Ravens Elders and high-ranked officers have been seen patrolling the area and fighting desperately to intercept any attempts to reach and potentially disrupt him.

The Bleak Ravens practice a form of Forbidden Cultivation that allows for rapid Stage breakthroughs in exchange for a weakened core. Still, you don't believe you can contest a Reality Forming master on prepared ground, no matter how subpar his foundation is.

[ ] Direct Investigation - None of the Ravens' other officers are above mid Dao Cleaving, and it very much appears that their Patriarch does not wish to be disturbed. Save time and energy, just investigate directly. If they attack, your vastly greater speed should allow you to keep your Lackeys safe.

*Immediately receive your Mastermind Point for the month, cancelling out your Mastermind Point debt.
*Directness: The Overlord's favored path grants increased probability of success as your Charmed Life activates
*Attempt to resolve things diplomatically before resorting to surreptitiousness or force
*Write-in tactics and relevant omakes can further improve chances
*Moderate risk to Lackeys

[ ] Stealth Insertion - Don't take your Lackeys along, try to use your Diagram skills to stealthily reach the dimensional anchor from an oblique angle and get into the pocket dimension that way. Given the array of exotic offensive Diagram effects that an unannounced intrusion might provoke, it would be unwise for non-Ringbearers to accompany you.

*Virtually no risk to Lackeys, who will train while you are gone
*If you are just interested in the Liches, a much more intelligent way of meeting them inconspicuously
*Might trigger the Reality Forming Patriarch into action, depending on what he is doing
*Write-in tactics and relevant omakes can further improve chances
*Expend a Mastermind Point: Guarantee safe and quiet entry into the pocket dimension, if one exists. If one does not exist, Nameless will have a significantly improved chance to figure out what is going on.

[ ] Pass - There's more than one Lich stronghold around here, you can feel it. No reason to approach the one guarded by a Reality Forming Patriarch. But how will you search for them?

*Xiaoling slightly piqued you're not investigating her lead, but at her current level of Loyalty this is barely relevant
*You will need to figure out a way to find the other Lich Vaults in the area
*Many plans can be viable, but most will probably not be
*Can collect cultivation materials while searching
*May have to fight monsters while searching
*If enough time passes, Nameless will train/cultivate while searching
*Expend a Mastermind Point: Nameless will take the best elements of proposed plans and add his own insights.

You're poor now, and it doesn't feel right to rely on Xiaoling's perpetual generosity. What to do?

[ ] Take Out a Loan - There's a Bank of Yong branch in this city, as in most major trade ports. You can take out a loan up to 4x your original net worth, but it'll basically shut down this branch as its reserves will be totally depleted. [Spoiled]: Taking out a smaller loan would be super lame, you need that money for cultivation materials! And it won't do to make Yong look poor in front of Ming.

*Get tons of money without substantial effort
*Minor prestige hit to the Yong in the area
*You technically owe money to the bank
*Benefit from near-zero interest rates

[ ] Scam People - The time-honored classic. What else is there to say?

*Work long and hard for your money, slightly improves social skills relating to deception and manipulation
*Unlike the other two options, consumes time that could be spent doing other things
*Will probably make enemies
*Most enemies can be tricked with Illusory Guise
*Small chance of acquiring Treasures along with money
*Expend a Mastermind Point: Small chance of acquiring Priceless Treasures along with money, guaranteed to avoid enemies

[ ] Mooch off Xiaoling - Accept poverty. It doesn't look good, but it's not like Xiaoling cares. With access to Daddy's credit line, she's even richer than you!

*Nameless slightly demoralized
*Xiaoling can buy luxuries, food, and lodging, but serious cultivation materials would drain her budget rapidly, as it did yours
*You can still get cultivation materials from killing monsters later
*May raise or lower the potency of Spoiled, unpredictable

Discussion and fanworks have unlocked one of four bonuses:

[ ] +40% Beyond Point Progress
[ ] Choose an 'expend Mastermind point' option this update for free (you must choose this option to Expend any Mastermind points this update)
[ ] Eyes of Kong [Diagram] - By training with Suizhen, you can refine her ability to detect exotic energies, allowing her to track and perceive the residue of Diagram magic in an area. Suizhen becomes more adept at disrupting Diagrams of all types.
[ ] Actually Useful - It turns out this giant gold-plated Diagram is actually a minor Artifact on the level of Xiaoling's collar. You're pretty sure it will slightly (~10%?) improve the effects of a Grand Diagram scribed upon its surface. Remember, some Grand Diagrams (like your Forge of the Nameless) take a lot of time and rare materials to construct.
 
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Though a lot of people are fixating on the Further Beyond effect despite the fact we have--at most--two BP right now, and one's probably getting eaten by Potentiation.
That is mostly incorrect. Most people, including your's truly, merely plan on Going Beyond, and then spending other two points on Cultivation points or Might.

Using Quickening numbers, we can expect Refining to go from +0.25-+1 to +0.75(or 2.25, depending on how this works) to +3, then to +1.25-+5. Which completely stacks with Quickening increase for frankly ludicrous amount of Cultivation. We're talking permanently having Go Beyond Sarcophagus effect without downsides of such, at least for purposes of Cultivation.

This also makes sense from general scaling of Go Beyond and Further Beyond options - later tends to be two times as good as former when it comes to numbers, giving you two stages compared to one in powers such as Might or Forge. So it makes sense that Go Beyond is 200%(100% without Ring bonus) while Further Beyond is 400%.

This is endlessly valuable when it comes to getting Philosopher King project done, who's greatest bottleneck is not BPs, but time needed to Cultivate to the point where we can make stage relevant Artifacts.
Precisely!

And we already budget 1 BP for Organ Refining, which leaves us with precisely 0 BP!.. Let alone everything else we want to spend it on. Normal mastery is fine.
Not spending 1BP and Cultivating at 33% rate from this point onward is very much not fine. Would you take a choice which gives you Ming loyalty, +0.25 to her stage and 1BP while reducing your Cultivation for 66%? Because that's what you are doing.

Besides, it's not like put BP into it right now - we will do so if we can, given how massive it is, but we can take our time if we find ourselves into situation where we need them.

E: God damn it Rihaku. Well, shit choice made, i guess.
 
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Anyway though, I commented on the possibility of Psionics being the thing the Heroine brings as her cheat that lets her flip the table--and the more I consider it (And now that I have an actual keyboard instead of just puttering away at the damn thing on my phone), the more it rings true.

There's just... The Cultivators just don't consider it a threat vector. Already, a "Complete" Ego Barrier is something that lets you all but ignore the only reliable vector of mental attack that the Diagram provides--after that point, the real issues are "Who has a stronger fleshly body" that later evolves into "Who has the most coherent and most ferocious inner world, forged from creating a microcosm within your own body and soul?" They completely ignore the Ego Barrier as a tool in its own right because it already does everything they need it to do in its 'Complete' state. It's a a sketched out boundary of the soul, strong enough to keep out the world's energy and tough enough to contain all of the Not!Zero Point Energy that starts being generated inside.

But we know for a fact that the Ego Barrier can go further--it's just that it has limited applications towards Cultivation, because a Complete Ego Barrier already is something that achieves the maximum gains for the Cultivation paradigm--yeah, Going Beyond means that the added strength of the Ego Barrier translates to hitting harder and being able to to take hits harder--but it's not a sea change in and of itself.

But then I think about it, I remember that Rihaku commented that the Heroine would be "Unlikely to be above Ego Barrier before she activates". I remember my initial reaction to the description of the Ego Barrier as "Hahaha these are basically AT Fields, aren't they?"

And then, musing on matters during the quiet hours at work, it hit me.

"Holy shit, these are basically AT Fields, aren't they? What happens if--instead of just using it as a framework to create a pocket universe, you instead use it to extend the reach of your ego and give it physical form?"

One of the major things about Xianxia is that the Protagonist is "Ordinary" before the plot starts. Their Talent is merely ordinary, or they have some kind of constitution that makes them unsuited for the current paradigm of Cultivation--but then they get their one cheat opportunity and it gives them something that nobody is really prepared to deal with, and they ride that advantage into ultimate power.

I can even envision the narrative--a scion of some family--neither too big nor too small--has decent early success, but can't exceed the Ego Barrier stage because some aspect of their constitution prevents them from achieving the steps needed for Organ Refinement (In this case, being the reincarnation of a Deity--you can't improve on that kind of soul and inner world after all!). They hit maturity, and then get their cheat opportunity (The mind and memories of one of the masters of the world). They recognize that they can't go on the orthodox path--but with this knowledge, they find a new way--turning their Ego Barrier itself into a weapon, using the uncanny divine mind to shape it into structures capable of repelling attackers--of crushing the minds of experts, to fly on the wings of thought.

It's exactly the kind of stupid OCP that Xianxia protagonists get--something that lets them completely ignore the normal idea of progression in favor of just hitting people with moves they're in no way prepared to handle. And we know that it's a viable approach! We know that a pure Ego Attack, combined with an Ego Barrier, can mind crush any Cultivator as long as we put a decent amount of Protagonist Effort into it--at a net 4 BP investment (Absolute Ego Barrier + Further Beyond Crown), it becomes what amounts to being a perfect death touch. Any Cultivator we can lay so much as a finger on, we can mindcrush, their fleshly body is utterly irrelevant, their power of Dao is unimportant--as long as we can connect our Ego Barrier with theirs, we can mercilessly crush it and force them to be loyal to us, or commit suicide, or anything along those lines.

How incredibly devastating would a Heroine who doesn't need to make physical contact with a target to execute this? Just extend her Not!AT Field to encompass the target, penetrate their Ego Barrier with a shaped strike, and then either destroy their mind or supplant it?

And then we look at the description of our outrageously strong Ego Barrier--one with the net damage resistance of Layered Absolute Ego Barriers--and it bothers to mention that there are actual disadvantages to having a single, outrageously powerful Barrier compared to multiple defensive layers--as if a mental attack capable of overcoming that kind of resistance is an actual thing we need to be concerned about, when it would be enough to stop all but our 4 BP touch of death.

Yeah, Psionics deriving from the Ego Barrier? I can absolutely see that as being something that can let her crush experts way the fuck beyond her weight class, because it's just a complete OCP--and thus, any Lieutenant of ours who fails to at least have an Absolute Ego Barrier is potentially going to get crushed on contact with her.
 
Oh hey, an update, and me doing a big screed too.

Still, I can see how this can all work out. Have to think on our moves though.
 
[X] Direct Investigation
[X] Scam People
-[X] Spend a Mastermind Point

[X] Choose an 'expend Mastermind point' option this update for free

We're outrageously powerful--if I'm not mistaken, we're effectively operating at around the upper edges of Dao Cleaving--and Potentiation means that we're capable of attacking the Cultivation Base of even Reality Forming experts.

And oh look, these chucklefucks speedran for power at the cost of weaker cultivation bases.

These guys are catnip for Mordant Flame, even if their fleshly bodies are strong--we might very well be able to knock their Patriarch down to Dao Cleaving by disrupting his unstable, very recently achieved Reality Forming state, and he wouldn't even be able to adequately leverage his... Uh, actual forming of realities in the meantime because we can just cast Dispel on it. Punch him down to Dao Cleaving, and then our 6x speed modifier makes us capable of fucking his shit up since we'll have the speed edge thanks to it.

Eyes of Kong "Diagram" seems to be of limited use right now, but it seems the start of a cheat tree that'll pay off down the line--someone who can adequately percieve exotic energies and disrupt them seems to be exactly what's needed if you expect to eventually fight an OCP.

Much as I'd like it, getting our resources replenished without causing any unneccessary feuds seems more important.

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Wouldn't it be a fucking riot if we ended up scamming whoever got the Priceless Treasure from Vane's Legacy Site?
 
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[X]Direct Investigation
[X]Scam People
-[X]"spend" a mastermind point to make no enemies and have a small chance at Priceless Treasures
[X] Choose an 'expend Mastermind point' option this update for free

I believe these will synergize well and actually give a further boost to our chances of succeeding on the first one, as we are already in the scamming mindset and may well end up scamming them. I also want that chance at a Priceless Treasure, and if I'm going for spending a Mastermind point anyway, saving it is effectively a better version of 40% of a Beyond point. Since it's 50% instead.

Edit: apparently we both agree Direct Investigation and Scam People have good synergy. We just disagree on which bonus is better.
 
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I gotta say, being guaranteed to get away with scamming people is pretty enticing. I think we're still at -1 mastermind points until the month is over, so we need to take the bonus option if we want to do it?

[X] Direct Investigation
[X] Scam People
-[X] Spend a Mastermind Point
[X] Choose an 'expend Mastermind point' option this update for free
 
I gotta say, being guaranteed to get away with scamming people is pretty enticing. I think we're still at -1 mastermind points until the month is over, so we need to take the bonus option if we want to do it?

[X] Direct Investigation
[X] Scam People
-[X] Spend a Mastermind Point
[X] Choose an 'expend Mastermind point' option this update for free

Direct Investigation clears the debt and gives us an MM point on the spot, in exchange for being somewhat riskier.

EDIT: Derp, I may have misinterpreted that.
 
Mmm, one of things we could try and do is using our illusion spell to great effect here. Most of Black Ravens are (weaker) Dao Cleaving types, so Potention boosted Guise should work perfectly fine.

[X] Stealth Insertion
[X] Take Out a Loan

[X] +40% Beyond Point Progress

[X] Direct Investigation
[X] Scam People
-[X] Spend a Mastermind Point
[X] Eyes of Kong [Diagram]

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[X] Direct Investigation
[X] Scam People
-[X] Spend a Mastermind Point
[X] Eyes of Kong [Diagram]
.. we don't have MM point laying around folks.
 
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