Emma Barnes, Princess (Worm/Princess the Hopeful Quest)

The reigning storm plan is to literally become a Gavel making Gavels. To become a spiteful demagogue in vein of Hitler raising up a parade of hateful normals to murderous vigilante with unrelenting force.

Their tagline line is literally burn the world to save the world. It's making a hate that'll escalate to an inevitable and dark conclusion until it all burns up or you catch a clue.

It is entirely to likely to spiral out of control into being one of those marvel anti mutant group.

Destruction is easy it's the reason why the worlds fucked, why emma in particular got fucked, and why Taylor in the regretted so much shit. Building is hard but it's what's needed, what'll help emma grow, and ultimately what won the pot if in a dark way. And it also feel less cancerous to play.
 
It also feels like something of a cop-out. "What Magical Girl would you like to play?"

"I'd like to play the 90s Antihero one who is basically every morally ambiguous World of Darkness x-splat ever."
 
She doesn't want to work for Hearts. She wants to be strong and cool, a badass bitch. I'm all for falling down the way that is natural to her, taking flaws that Emma wouldn't necessarily see that way.
That's canon Emma, who only came to that pint of view after Sophia stopped to talk to her, something which conspicuously hasn't happened here.

Which is why, in general, I don't agree with people who are saying Emma would be drawn to the philosophy of her savior here. Sophia hasn't shown up to explain what her philosophy is (whether it be Storms or something else), and she certainly hasn't been around to talk Emma into accepting a twisted and fucked up mindset as a good thing.

Emma's problem right now is that there's no-one to help her deal with her trauma. The vote is massively in favor of Grace as our calling, and in this situation, the answer of the Grace is "Be for others what nobody was for me." While Storms is capable of doing that, if in a rather self-righteous vigilante manner, Emma doesn't know that. Putting aside that she doesn't even know what Storms is yet, her first impression of Storms-like behavior is "violent, edgy antihero who killed a bunch of gangers and apparently didn't give a shit about the wellbeing of the person she saved in the process."

I'm also rather doubtfull that we're going to get Taylor as a Sworn. Not because I think she's necessarily going to opposed to us, but because I think she's either already Blossomed or is about to Blossom at the same time as Emma.
 
The reigning storm plan is to literally become a Gavel making Gavels. To become a spiteful demagogue in vein of Hitler raising up a parade of hateful normals to murderous vigilante with unrelenting force.

Their tagline line is literally burn the world to save the world. It's making a hate that'll escalate to an inevitable and dark conclusion until it all burns up or you catch a clue.

It is entirely to likely to spiral out of control into being one of those marvel anti mutant group.

Destruction is easy it's the reason why the worlds fucked, why emma in particular got fucked, and why Taylor in the regretted so much shit. Building is hard but it's what's needed, what'll help emma grow, and ultimately what won the pot if in a dark way. And it also feel less cancerous to play.
Actually, the plan is to character develop our way into not being that.

But don't take my word for it, let EarthScorpion use their social charms on you explain it to you with their natural eloquence.
 
Emma's problem right now is that there's no-one to help her deal with her trauma. The vote is massively in favor of Grace as our calling, and in this situation, the answer of the Grace is "Be for others what nobody was for me." While Storms is capable of doing that, if in a rather self-righteous vigilante manner, Emma doesn't know that.
We almost certainly wouldn't be using tempesta for that. Basically any secondary invocation would be better for such things.
I'm also rather doubtfull that we're going to get Taylor as a Sworn. Not because I think she's necessarily going to opposed to us, but because I think she's either already Blossomed or is about to Blossom at the same time as Emma.
Where did this come from?

Confusion aside, I don't see why we should make Taylor a sworn. We don't even have the ability to do that, and won't for a long time, since accept fealty is a govern four charm that needs 3 tempesta, and it's not like we can just ask her to become a stormwracked. That requires true hate.
 
I don't know a thing about Worm, but yay, Princess!

Why is Storms so popular though? Princess is about magical girls literally powered by hope and idealism trying to make the world a better place. Storms are those who have given in to hatred over the desire to do good. It's the 'dark and edgy' option. That kind of defeats the point of playing Princess, I think.

[x] Grace
- [x] Presence
[x] Swords

Swords are the shounen hero types, passionate and charismatic and always trying to do the right thing. That appeals to me more.
 
I don't know a thing about Worm, but yay, Princess!

Why is Storms so popular though? Princess is about magical girls literally powered by hope and idealism trying to make the world a better place. Storms are those who have given in to hatred over the desire to do good. It's the 'dark and edgy' option. That kind of defeats the point of playing Princess, I think.

[x] Grace
- [x] Presence
[x] Swords

Swords are the shounen hero types, passionate and charismatic and always trying to do the right thing. That appeals to me more.
You read the tactical voting blurb right and understand that it is next to impossible for this to win barring a massive intake of like minded voters ( if you find them and get ahead of storms I'd support) right? And that heart is the next closest?
 
Swords get stronger every day. And there are probably a good amount of Storm voters who would shift to swords if it seemed likely to topple Hearts.

As to why people vote for Storms, read EarthScorpion's posts. He pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
You read the tactical voting blurb right and understand that it is next to impossible for this to win barring a massive intake of like minded voters ( if you find them and get ahead of storms I'd support) right? And that heart is the next closest?
Ah, well, actually I didn't look that closely. It just seemed that there was an argument between Swords and Storms. :oops: Well, I'm not opposed to Hearts either. A high Presence Grace of Hearts would probably be like 2008 Obama, I think. Could be interesting.

As to why people vote for Storms, read EarthScorpion's posts. He pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I only briefly looked at them, but it doesn't really appeal to me. Worm is, from what I hear, a pretty dark setting. Being an idealist in a dark setting and trying to fix that is pretty much what Princess is about. If things get bad enough that we feel Tempesta is needed, we can always look into picking up a dot or two later during gameplay. No need to start with it.
 
[X] Mender
-[X] Dexterity
[X] Spades

I feel like we've had enough anti-villains and shining heroes in Worm. Cheerful and focused on helping the people immediately around is much rarer.
 
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The reigning storm plan is to literally become a Gavel making Gavels. To become a spiteful demagogue in vein of Hitler raising up a parade of hateful normals to murderous vigilante with unrelenting force.

Their tagline line is literally burn the world to save the world. It's making a hate that'll escalate to an inevitable and dark conclusion until it all burns up or you catch a clue.

It is entirely to likely to spiral out of control into being one of those marvel anti mutant group.

Destruction is easy it's the reason why the worlds fucked, why emma in particular got fucked, and why Taylor in the regretted so much shit. Building is hard but it's what's needed, what'll help emma grow, and ultimately what won the pot if in a dark way. And it also feel less cancerous to play.

Well, that's a lot of tosh.

Tell me, Larekko, have you ever heard of such a thing as a character arc? The idea that a character might not start in the same mental space that they might end the story in? Have you, in fact, ever heard of such thing as a challenge? Because from your "Building is hard but it's what's needed, what'll help emma grow, and ultimately what won the pot if in a dark way" it doesn't seem that you have. You're trying to fix her issues in chargen and that's just dull.

You're also flailing around about Storms. I notice you're willfully ignoring that the flaw of Storms is that she's an extremist towards a goal the Radiant have, not an out-and-out villain. For example, Burn The World To Save The World as a commandment explicitly says that collateral damage is acceptable when fighting the Darkness, but collateral damage is not acceptable when you're not up against it. And you are also ignoring that the Queen does not replace you with a perfect clone who holds to all her beliefs, which is - gosh - another source of character development and a character arc.

Or tell me, is it simply alien to you that people might want to play a character who isn't just their powerset and who actually has wants and desires which are separate from what their powers "want" them to do which produces character drama? That people might be looking to play a character (as if this was based off some kind of game, where you play a role) rather than a simple lever through which one might be able to change the setting?

Why is Storms so popular though? Princess is about magical girls literally powered by hope and idealism trying to make the world a better place. Storms are those who have given in to hatred over the desire to do good. It's the 'dark and edgy' option. That kind of defeats the point of playing Princess, I think.

The Nobility are not "Magical Girls in the World of Darkness" or "Magical Girls vs the World of Darkness". They are "The World of Darkness' Magical Girls". "Playing a flawed character" does not "defeat the point of playing Princess". Playing a flawed character is how you make the best heroes, because you need your flaws to rise above them.

They are, one and all, flawed people. Some are more flawed than others - and we know from Emma and her starting position that she's mentally broken. If we weren't playing Emma and were instead playing an OC, I wouldn't be pushing Storms - but we are playing Emma. She's flawed, and trying to rise above her flaws in chargen is a rather dull way of doing things. Especially given the proclivities of a lot of questers to try to turn everything into "let's fix everything" rather than "tell an interesting story".
 
The Nobility are not "Magical Girls in the World of Darkness" or "Magical Girls vs the World of Darkness". They are "The World of Darkness' Magical Girls".
I know you're one of the writers, but I've never really liked that interpretation. I prefer the game to be about trying to remove the darkness from the World of Darkness. So, yes, "Magical Girls vs the World of Darkness", I suppose. I guess I just prefer external conflicts to internal ones?

I do admit I don't really know anything about Worm or Emma, so I'm basically treating her as an OC.
 
If we weren't playing Emma and were instead playing an OC, I wouldn't be pushing Storms - but we are playing Emma. She's flawed, and trying to rise above her flaws in chargen is a rather dull way of doing things.
Storms is a good fit for Emma character-wise. It just feels like Worm has already done sad damaged girl who wants to escape her trauma by fighting villainy, but has no sense of self-restraint.
 
Storms is a good fit for Emma character-wise. It just feels like Worm has already done sad damaged girl who wants to escape her trauma by fighting villainy, but has no sense of self-restraint.

Precisely. Because that's what this lets you set up.

It lets you set up this Emma as a foil to canon Taylor. Because she's not Taylor - and because this Taylor may well be here to be her Naru-esque muggle best friend who goes "... um, Emma, you're going too far" (and unlike canon Taylor, she might actually listen).

(Also, as a Grace with Emma's natural skillset, she really won't be operating that much like Skitter)
 
The thing is, though, I don't think Hearts is the 'fix everything in chargen.' It's hopeful, sure, and optimistic, but that just means that we can set up Emma to be further disappointed. I find that just as interesting a character arc, someone trying to fix the world, and having to learn to compromise, or use different methods.

I don't accept the implication that every story arc other than Storms is clearly not interesting.
 
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Where did this come from?

Confusion aside, I don't see why we should make Taylor a sworn. We don't even have the ability to do that, and won't for a long time, since accept fealty is a govern four charm that needs 3 tempesta, and it's not like we can just ask her to become a stormwracked. That requires true hate.
Earlier people were discussing their plans for Taylor and they were all along the lines of "make her our muggle bestie voice of reason" and "make her a Sworn." I was expressing my surprise that nobody seemed to be considering the possibility that she might also be a Princess.
 
Ok, here's where we are now:

Storms-33
Hearts-29
Swords-9
Spades-4
Tears-3
Mirrors-1

Vote will close in 24 hours. Those voting for the lesser options may wish to change their vote, since it seems unlikely that things would change suddenly enough.
 
Confusion aside, I don't see why we should make Taylor a sworn. We don't even have the ability to do that, and won't for a long time, since accept fealty is a govern four charm that needs 3 tempesta, and it's not like we can just ask her to become a stormwracked. That requires true hate.

Taylor is way too inocent and sweet to join our crusade anyway. We need her to remain normal to be our morality pet.
 
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