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Emma Barnes, Princess (Worm/Princess the Hopeful Quest)

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cyberswordsmen said:
In WoD there is a masquerade that keeps supernatural evils out of the government to an extent so the system is mostly corrupt due to normal human flaws so hearts a great strategy there at least as much as real life. Here the fact we are superhuman means we are forbidden from having any official influence and getting too much unofficial influence gets us declared a villain.
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No we are only "forbidden" from being a PRT director and that' bolded is just dumb "OMG she's influencing the mayor and public to help clean up the city and be good to their fellow man, she's a VILLAIN!"
 
1986ctcel said:
No we are only "forbidden" from being a PRT director and that' bolded is just dumb "OMG she's influencing the mayor and public to help clean up the city and be good to their fellow man, she's a VILLAIN!"
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Other than the following what did the Undersiders do all that differently than E88 and ABB (or say the Teeth) that makes them such a high priority threat to take down when the status que was fine with the former groups?
 
cyberswordsmen said:
Other than the following what did the Undersiders do all that differently than E88 and ABB (or say the Teeth) that makes them such a high priority threat to take down when the status que was fine with the former groups?
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There's also the fact that as a Grace our charms are specialized for social manipulation. it doesn't matter if we actually use them for that, just the potential that we can mind whammy people will have them up in arms.

just look at Canary's interlude.

better to go storms so we have some more direct options.
 
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cyberswordsmen said:
Other than the following what did the Undersiders do all that differently than E88 and ABB (or say the Teeth) that makes them such a high priority threat to take down when the status que was fine with the former groups?
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Villains with a following getting higher priority than villains without is quite a way off from any cape with a following being automatically declared a villain.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
Other than the following what did the Undersiders do all that differently than E88 and ABB (or say the Teeth) that makes them such a high priority threat to take down when the status que was fine with the former groups?
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Uh, when the ABB and E88 were still around the Undersiders weren't really a high priority at all.

Afterwards, they may have been trying to help the city, but they were still a major villain group (the only one still left, even) who had robbed a bank, attacked a public banquet specifically to embarass the Protectorate, repeatedly attacked Protectorate and PRT facilities, and had effectively taken over the entire city through unlawful means. Oh, and their idea of influencing the mayor was "threaten his family."
 
Seeing as terra operates off of informed consent, and many govern charms are buffs rather than influences, master paranoia shouldn't be too much of a problem, but it will probably exist, and it's something that basically every grace type would need to deal with, no matter the court.
 
racnor said:
Seeing as terra operates off of informed consent, and many govern charms are buffs rather than influences, master paranoia shouldn't be too much of a problem, but it will probably exist, and it's something that basically every grace type would need to deal with, no matter the court.
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very true. its just that hearts is also specialised for social stuff, so I think that going storms would give us more options than "talk them down" when dealing with problems.

I don't want to go pure social when QM has already said combat charms will be a must.
 
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Who says that they have to know that we have social powers anyway? Why can't we just be saying what everybody is thinking?

I know that we do have these powers, I'm just saying that we don't have to tell them that.
 
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Is there even a point in voting on the others? What's the count?

Also, just spotted something
Regular mortals will develop some limited magical abilities if their beliefs align with the Queen of Storms, an effect that no other Queen has demonstrated
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Are there any of these in the setting? Shadow Stalker comes to mind, though a parahuman might not count as a "regular mortal".
 
Xyzarach said:
very true. its just that hearts is also specialised for social stuff, so I think that going storms would give us more options than "talk them down" when dealing with problems.

I don't want to go pure social when QM has already said combat charms will be a must.
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None of the courts are pure social. In the war against the Darkness, everybody has to be able to fight. Hearts get plenty of combat-relevant charms, including one that lets them use their social talents in place of actual evasion skills.
 
DualFront said:
None of the courts are pure social. In the war against the Darkness, everybody has to be able to fight. Hearts get plenty of combat-relevant charms, including one that lets them use their social talents in place of actual evasion skills.
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Their Practical Magic enhances social rolls, while their invocation is used to end conflict without violence (along with making things more beautiful, and organizing fundraisers). their charms might have combat applications but they are very socially specialized.

storms on the other hand, boosts all our combat rolls by our current wound penalty, and is directly useful for combat in almost all its applications.
 
DualFront said:
Uh, when the ABB and E88 were still around the Undersiders weren't really a high priority at all.

Afterwards, they may have been trying to help the city, but they were still a major villain group (the only one still left, even) who had robbed a bank, attacked a public banquet specifically to embarass the Protectorate, repeatedly attacked Protectorate and PRT facilities, and had effectively taken over the entire city through unlawful means. Oh, and their idea of influencing the mayor was "threaten his family."
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Torgamous said:
Villains with a following getting higher priority than villains without is quite a way off from any cape with a following being automatically declared a villain.
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You both are completely missing the point. E88 and ABB were worse criminals in every way than the Undersiders as warlords yet the PRT was fine letting them do whatever they want as long as it wasn't as bad as Bakuda's rampage yet even then they put less effort into getting ABB than they did with the Undersiders. What do you think made the PRT consider the Undersiders that much bigger a priority than ABB and E88 before them? It was they were popular with the common people and opposed the Protectorate socially.

The Undersiders at their worst where cuddly kittens compared to ABB and E88 yet the PRT was willing to pull in out of town resources to deal with them, go after civilian identities and target families. Hell even when Bakuda was on her rampage they didn't call in out of towners like Dragon.

ABB/E88: Murder, Rape, Drug Dealing, Random Attacks, Forced Recruitment=status que and cardboard prison.
Undersiders: Humiliating Protectorate, one robbed bank, massive relief effort=Priority #1
 
cyberswordsmen said:
The Undersiders at their worst where cuddly kittens compared to ABB and E88 yet the PRT was willing to pull in out of town resources to deal with them, go after civilian identities and target families. Hell even when Bakuda was on her rampage they didn't call in out of towners like Dragon.
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Because at their worst, when the PRT actually responded that way, they didn't act like criminals, they acted like rulers. That is worse from a government's perspective, even if it's not worse for the civilians who actually live there.

It's not about how much they hurt people. It's about their effect on the perceived legitimacy of the state.

Having fans or minions isn't really the same thing as acting like a government. And there's no canon evidence that parahumans are forbidden from running for public office. Parahumans not being allowed in the PRT is more of a "separation of powers" thing than a "no power of any kind ever" one.
 
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