Interesting. I'd thought that the machine spirit was counting as the god in this instance, a minor piece of the machine god, so you were praying to the ritual was directing prayer to the machine spirit who responded by doing something or being strengthened.
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Interesting. I'd thought that the machine spirit was counting as the god in this instance, a minor piece of the machine god, so you were praying to the ritual was directing prayer to the machine spirit who responded by doing something or being strengthened.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Machine spirits are essentially least gods of the machine or the equivalent.
would the sinew coils of primaris count? they are mechanincal
also the black carapace that allows them to interact with power armor, does that count as machine enough as it technically makes power armor part of/interfaced with the wearer?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
All Marine gene-seed implants are biological and do not count. You need a secific implant that any one can take to count. Even otherwise, you need to have faith in the Mechanicum beliefs for it to work and Lorgar's legion, the Imperial Heralds are anti-religion.
They have true faith and are very open to Lorgar's current beliefs, which is basically the Imperial truth with some shamanistic beliefs thrown in.
So long story short, their tech-marines are going to be built different.
[] Rite of Maintenance (Level 1):
[] Rite of Cleansing (Level 1):
[] Rite of Warding (Level 1):
These three are the options that can fix most tech and keep them from enemies that taint throughnthe warp.
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[] Rite of Cleansing (Level 1):
[] Rite of Warding (Level 1):
These three are the options that can fix most tech and keep them from enemies that taint throughnthe warp.
[X] Plan "The Simple Things"
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Just thinking of what else we might be able to do with the same principle.
These rituals cut the god out of the miracle granting process using the trappings of the Cult Mechanicus to do miraculous things with machines.
I wonder if it might be possible to effectively pray to yourself to cause miracles relating to yourself. Perhaps something similar to historic forms of Taoism where it was believed that each person contained a microcosmic pantheon of deities responsible for different aspects of the self which could be prayed to or meditated on
The Mechanicus rituals substitute cybernetic replacement of the body for Weight, so presumably such rituals would need something similar related to spiritual self-improvement or self-actualisation. If we can teach the methods from Exalted by which mortals can Enlighten and then strengthen their Essence, I could see that being an appropriate substitute. Possibly in a feedback loop, using such rituals to gradually strengthen your essence after Enlightening it.
Connected to this, given that it's exalted, are things like martial arts, kata that are also ritual prayers to the self designed to improve the benefits of exercise. Of course; other similar ritual practices can be imagined, ritualised mental exercises that divert the prayer generated to improve the speed of learning or how good you are at the task you're performing.
Basically, if people can generate prayer energy, why not try to use it for their own direct benefit.
These rituals cut the god out of the miracle granting process using the trappings of the Cult Mechanicus to do miraculous things with machines.
I wonder if it might be possible to effectively pray to yourself to cause miracles relating to yourself. Perhaps something similar to historic forms of Taoism where it was believed that each person contained a microcosmic pantheon of deities responsible for different aspects of the self which could be prayed to or meditated on
The Mechanicus rituals substitute cybernetic replacement of the body for Weight, so presumably such rituals would need something similar related to spiritual self-improvement or self-actualisation. If we can teach the methods from Exalted by which mortals can Enlighten and then strengthen their Essence, I could see that being an appropriate substitute. Possibly in a feedback loop, using such rituals to gradually strengthen your essence after Enlightening it.
Connected to this, given that it's exalted, are things like martial arts, kata that are also ritual prayers to the self designed to improve the benefits of exercise. Of course; other similar ritual practices can be imagined, ritualised mental exercises that divert the prayer generated to improve the speed of learning or how good you are at the task you're performing.
Basically, if people can generate prayer energy, why not try to use it for their own direct benefit.
It would be interesting to se The Khan interact with our version of Logar
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-[X] Rite of Maintainance
-[X] Rite of Warding
-[X] Rite of Activation
I completely agree with Warding - in this house, we say no to haunted technology. Maintainance is key - there is no point in building what you can't hold. However, if I read the update correctly, we have effectively created the foundation of non-Warp based technomancy, manipulating technology through rituals affecting machine spirits, and both us and the Archmagos are going to be relying on it. For this purpose, it is critical that as much of our (and their) technology has an active machine spirit that can be ritually affected. Another benefit is that it is a massive shortcut in restarting archeotech. Thus I propose Activation. Mechanicus already has ways to appease and calm machine spirits, even if they aren't going to be as effective as ours, but I don't think they have a way to activate them that would be efficient enough for our use.
-[X] Rite of Maintainance
-[X] Rite of Warding
-[X] Rite of Activation
I completely agree with Warding - in this house, we say no to haunted technology. Maintainance is key - there is no point in building what you can't hold. However, if I read the update correctly, we have effectively created the foundation of non-Warp based technomancy, manipulating technology through rituals affecting machine spirits, and both us and the Archmagos are going to be relying on it. For this purpose, it is critical that as much of our (and their) technology has an active machine spirit that can be ritually affected. Another benefit is that it is a massive shortcut in restarting archeotech. Thus I propose Activation. Mechanicus already has ways to appease and calm machine spirits, even if they aren't going to be as effective as ours, but I don't think they have a way to activate them that would be efficient enough for our use.
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I now see why the Emperor would have loved this.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Emperor: Mal, look at what I have found.
-Gestures to Lorgar.
Malcador: If you looked at the ground and picked up a diamond, that would be a find. This is like being hit in the face by a meteorite.
Tune in next time to "Gone Horribly right" to find out what happens next.
Though jokes aside, Lorgar has exceeded the Emperor's wildest expectations for him.
Needless to say, gone Horribly Right sould be a good way to describe Lorgar.
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Adding Primordial Essence to things does tend to make things Go Horribly Right yeah.
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Hm, as ever, the problem for anything pertaining to Exalted is whether one should, not whether one can.
In this case, one welcomes the matter of Lorgar going horribly right, if only to indulge in schadenfreude towards the Emperor.
In this case, one welcomes the matter of Lorgar going horribly right, if only to indulge in schadenfreude towards the Emperor.
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Some part of Admech consider physical body as machine and biological enhancements as an valid alternative to mechanical enhancements? So with Lorgar being basically made by omnissah does he need any sorta mechanical enhancements to invoke greatest Admech rituals or use the system without any level cap? He is after all a divine masterpiece so I think admech system unable to impose any restrictions upon him.
Also what about genetors? Can they invoke Admach rites without any issues?
Is it possible for Lorgar to get recruited in admech and work as technosorcist and Rune priest? I mean he is ideal to deal with esoteric aspects of Admech. Also a Primarch with a Legitimate rank in Admech will allow him to create his power base within Admech and deal with conflicts with Mars. Maybe he can create a opposition than can act as a counter for Mars Orthodoxy. It is not like Emperor can do much when he accepted Admdch Faith. I think he and Malcador will support Lorgar as a Counter against Fabricator General of Mars.
Also what about genetors? Can they invoke Admach rites without any issues?
Is it possible for Lorgar to get recruited in admech and work as technosorcist and Rune priest? I mean he is ideal to deal with esoteric aspects of Admech. Also a Primarch with a Legitimate rank in Admech will allow him to create his power base within Admech and deal with conflicts with Mars. Maybe he can create a opposition than can act as a counter for Mars Orthodoxy. It is not like Emperor can do much when he accepted Admdch Faith. I think he and Malcador will support Lorgar as a Counter against Fabricator General of Mars.
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I think the whole thing with praying to yourself is more likely to work for Marines than mortals, all Marines have some aspect of their Primarch echoed in them and those are semi-divine from what we can see of Lorgar.
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Hm, as to Lorgar, regarding further xp investments, perhaps one might want to make him a 5-dot sorcerer, 5-dot savant, and train him up to 5 dots in precognition, telepathy, and psychokinesis where psyker abilities are concerned.
Perhaps it would also be desirable for Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Sagacity, which combines Lore, Occult, and Medicine. One might want the same for Crafting. While it is not exactly necessary now, considering that it wil be necessary to make Colchis an unified, interstellar power eventually, it would be prudent for Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Bureaucracy.
When Fan Morgal teaches Lorgar martial arts, one might also want Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Martial Arts. It would help to mitigate Lorgar's situation of being the physically weakest amongst the Primarchs. One would hope that he can learn Celestial Martial Arts styles. At the very least, one hopes that Lorgar can learn Terrestrial Martial Arts styles.
As for Presence, Performance, and Socialize, Lorgar can handle those Abilities on his own, for obvious reasons.
Perhaps it would also be desirable for Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Sagacity, which combines Lore, Occult, and Medicine. One might want the same for Crafting. While it is not exactly necessary now, considering that it wil be necessary to make Colchis an unified, interstellar power eventually, it would be prudent for Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Bureaucracy.
When Fan Morgal teaches Lorgar martial arts, one might also want Lorgar to reach 5 dots in Martial Arts. It would help to mitigate Lorgar's situation of being the physically weakest amongst the Primarchs. One would hope that he can learn Celestial Martial Arts styles. At the very least, one hopes that Lorgar can learn Terrestrial Martial Arts styles.
As for Presence, Performance, and Socialize, Lorgar can handle those Abilities on his own, for obvious reasons.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Only people who have implants count for the rituals. Bio-implants do not count.
These requirements do not apply to you and Lorgar.
If Lorgar joins the Admech, he joins the Admech. As in he will be bound by the rules and regulations and will be tried for it. I mean the Admech is a parallel organization to the Imperium.
Votes as they stand.